Originally posted by dhayes68

Originally posted by NecroHelium

Originally posted by dhayes68

Who cares how it's desiged? Stop being rabid fans begging for an excuse to give these companies your money. Refuse to play any game without a free trial and see for yourself.

 

I'm an adult, not a 13 year old boy.  I believe I can decide for myself whether 60 dollars for a minimum of a month's entertainment is worth it.

 

It's not like I'd be investing in a car.

 

You're assuming you'd get a month's entertainment out of it. And of course, tho we disagree, I consider buying a product based on a company's hype, without seeing it for yourself to be the more immature response. Its not a question of the amount, its a question of self respect. You'll understand when you're older.

Lol, you know how you know when someone is wrong???  When they start bashing on their opposition for no reason.  First off buddy, if you can't afford to occasionally throw away a bit of money on a whim, I'd take that to mean you aren't old enough to make enough money to do so.  Sixty dollars is pocket change, and even if it wasn't the best game in the world, yes, I'd still find a way to get a month of entertainment of of it.  You'll understand when you're older... lol.  I was playing online games when you were still in diapers.  Self respect???  I don't think so, I think it's a matter of how stingy you are with your hard earned money... or allowance as seems to be your case.

You cant blame Bioware to keep things a secet especially the way ppl are so quick to criticise anything.

I bet its safe to say that it has got several of WoW's elements and more. (:

So you shouldnt worry about it, cause I am sure its going to be a great game from just the info we have now.

Originally posted by Rydeson

Originally posted by Taram

TBH I'd like to place a great big order of:

Until they announce beta it's none of our damn business.

 

I swear you people need to get a grip.  BioWare is doing their job:  Making a game.

Their job is not to tell you how they're developing it or what features it will have  at release when it's not even in beta yet beyond a general overview of what they'd like to deliver.  They don't have to get into specifics and, to be honest, I'm kind of glad they're being a bit vague.  If they give too many details all you nits will do is pick pick pick at them about what isn't in that they thought they might get in when it releases.

 

Normally I would agree with you .. however, once you OPEN a website with info and forums, the gloves are off..   If Bioware didn't want to discuss any issues or release any intell, they should of kept their mouth shut and not start a website.. :)

They tried that and the whiners and gripers just pissed and moaned that BioWare wouldn't tell them what they were doing (kinda like now) so your point is?

Bottom line: 

It's their game, not yours, you haven't paid a dime yet.

It's their development team.  They pay them, not you.

It's their development cycle.  They make the plans, not you.

It's their concept.  They come up with the ideas, not you.

So where exactly do you feel that people who haven't paid a dime toward the game yet have any right to demand anything?  Just because BioWare chose to give you SOME information doesn't oblige them to give you every piece of information you demand.  They can tell you as much, or as little as they like.  Be thankful they chose to tell you anything at all and enjoy what they do release.  

Hint:  You aren't their customer until you pay them money.  They haven't even ASKED for money yet so you have no right to demand anything.  You can ASK (politely) but no means no and they've already stated MULTIPLE times that they won't discuss things that aren't fully implemented yet.  They've ALREADY stated that the world will be BOTH static AND instanced, which seems to be the biggest question in this thread.  To which the answer is:  Asked and Answered, move along.

Originally posted by Taram

Originally posted by Rydeson

Originally posted by Taram

TBH I'd like to place a great big order of:

Until they announce beta it's none of our damn business.

 

I swear you people need to get a grip.  BioWare is doing their job:  Making a game.

Their job is not to tell you how they're developing it or what features it will have  at release when it's not even in beta yet beyond a general overview of what they'd like to deliver.  They don't have to get into specifics and, to be honest, I'm kind of glad they're being a bit vague.  If they give too many details all you nits will do is pick pick pick at them about what isn't in that they thought they might get in when it releases.

 

Normally I would agree with you .. however, once you OPEN a website with info and forums, the gloves are off..   If Bioware didn't want to discuss any issues or release any intell, they should of kept their mouth shut and not start a website.. :)

 

They tried that and the whiners and gripers just pissed and moaned that BioWare wouldn't tell them what they were doing (kinda like now) so your point is?

Bottom line: 

It's their game, not yours, you haven't paid a dime yet.

It's their development team.  They pay them, not you.

It's their development cycle.  They make the plans, not you.

It's their concept.  They come up with the ideas, not you.

So where exactly do you feel that people who haven't paid a dime toward the game yet have any right to demand anything?  Just because BioWare chose to give you SOME information doesn't oblige them to give you every piece of information you demand.  They can tell you as much, or as little as they like.  Be thankful they chose to tell you anything ffs.

/agreed

Originally posted by Stryfe6

I bet its safe to say that it has got several of WoW's elements and more. (:

So you shouldnt worry about it, cause I am sure its going to be a great game from just the info we have now.

Of course this game is going to have WOW type features , It wouldn't be a mmo if it didn't have them durrrrr. Anyways this game is going to be more like Guild Wars 2 then WOW I bet. Arching story per class, companion npcs, non raid content(so far).

I think it is due to them wanting to hype the one thing they believe is original about the game, the quest system that contains a bunch of words (or 'story' as they like to call it).  From the E3 gameplay demo write-ups, the combat system is typical MMO combat, with better animations than most.  It has a class/level based character progression system, like almost every other MMO.  It seems they want to focus on building hype on the one thing they think is new to the MMO genre, even if they don't realize it really isn't new, but just expanding on what many other MMOs already have.

If you're making WoW with a Star Wars skin, and adding a heavy story based quest system, which you deem 'new' and 'revolutionary', you don't lead with the fact that you're making a WoW with a Star Wars skin MMO, you lead with the new and exciting thing.

not true, most people love WoW so being like WoW at least in some ways is a good thing. All the WoW haters on the forums complaining about the game... but that's because the majority of people are busy actually playing WoW.

Anyway I wouldn't call it WoW like, but it might not have anything that we havent seen before. That's not what's important though. It's doing what they do and doing it well. Just like WoW didn't do a lot of new stuff it just did all the old stuff well.

Welcome to following a Bioware game in production. Get used to it because this is what they do for all games they have developed. Unless they change their policies, you aren't going to get the infomation you are used to getting with other games. You'll only start getting information shortly, like a few months, before the game hits shelves.

That's Bioware. That's what they do and no amount of pleading or crying is going to change that. If you don't believe me, take some time and do some research on Dragon Age. They followed the same pattern with it, and it is their next release.

Originally posted by natuxatu

not true, most people love WoW so being like WoW at least in some ways is a good thing. All the WoW haters on the forums complaining about the game... but that's because the majority of people are busy actually playing WoW.

Anyway I wouldn't call it WoW like, but it might not have anything that we havent seen before. That's not what's important though. It's doing what they do and doing it well. Just like WoW didn't do a lot of new stuff it just did all the old stuff well.

Making a WoW type MMO doesn't draw as much attention as doing something 'revolutionary'.  I agree with your estimation of WoW, so I'm not complaining they are making a WoW type MMO, just explaining why they might be holding back on releasing more info about the game systems, beyond the quest system.

The mmorpg community is toxic.  If a dev says we will have feature X and they then drop or change it they have to face the NERD RAGE!  The nerd rage just so happens to become some odd crusade for some people and they then spend time going around forums trying to tell people why not to get the game.

People on a  nerd rage crusade are bad for the game and the industry.  So now we have a developer who isn't going to play that game.  Good on them.  I predict that this not handing out information early will enable them to make hard choices without massive public backlash and that will result in a better, more polished game.  Of course, I am yet another nobody and my prediction is worth nothing at all :) 

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

I want to know if I should be excited or if I should move on and give up on mmorpgs. I keep hearing mixed messages from Bioware from them saying it'll be heavily story driven like a single player game, which will mean it'll be heavily zoned and instanced. Then the next thing they say is having open worlds is very important for an mmorpg and it's like just frigging show me how the game is designed so I can make up my mind. If it's laid out like WoW with the instances built into the world naturally, then I'll be happy but if it's like Age of Conan, Guild Wars or EQ2 then I know to move on and not care.

Other things too explaining how it'll be a signle player like game and every class will have their own story. Well will I be able to play with 4 of my friends in a group and progress through the game will them all? That seems like the Star Wars experience to me and if I can do that then great but if not then let me move on!

Will I be able to switch from Jedi to Sith in the game like Anakin did to Vader?

 

Just tell us already and stop keeping things a secret cause thigns like how the world is designed can't change now!

Mostly because of people like you.

To keep from over promising.

Simply put developers have a thousand good ideas, but development time line grants only enough time for so many features at release.  They don't want to make the mistake that other companies have made advertising the game has certain features at release when infact they don't . . . WAR & AoC.

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

I want to know if I should be excited or if I should move on and give up on mmorpgs. I keep hearing mixed messages from Bioware from them saying it'll be heavily story driven like a single player game, which will mean it'll be heavily zoned and instanced. Then the next thing they say is having open worlds is very important for an mmorpg and it's like just frigging show me how the game is designed so I can make up my mind. If it's laid out like WoW with the instances built into the world naturally, then I'll be happy but if it's like Age of Conan, Guild Wars or EQ2 then I know to move on and not care.

Other things too explaining how it'll be a signle player like game and every class will have their own story. Well will I be able to play with 4 of my friends in a group and progress through the game will them all? That seems like the Star Wars experience to me and if I can do that then great but if not then let me move on!

Will I be able to switch from Jedi to Sith in the game like Anakin did to Vader?

 

Just tell us already and stop keeping things a secret cause thigns like how the world is designed can't change now!

my thoughts on this game is think oblivion or fallout 3 you have a main quest line for your char. Than you have all the open world and side quests to do. Plus there is going to be RvR pvp so woot what isn't to love.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Carl132p

Is it necessary to know about it before its released? No. Does it change anything if you know about it before release? No. These threads come off as whiny or demanding every time they are written. You are not owed anything and deserve nothing,  is it so hard to just wait? Go get a life, that will surely take your mind off of things for a while.

 

We're gamers.  It is our hobby.  So when a company announces a new games we're curious.   It would be nice if that company wasn't so tight lipped about the basic core of the game play mechanics.    I can tell you this from experince in these forums and playing these games since the mid 90's devulging the basic core game play mechanics never hurt any game.  What kills a game is when a game company releases a bug ridden game and an incomplete game - that is what kills a game.

Want a succesful game - launch a fun game that is pretty much polished and playable from the get go and provide great customer support and you are going to have a succesful game.   Wish me to name games that followed that business model and are considered succesful Compared to ones that didn't?

So BioWare really isn't going to hurt themselves by telling us about the core game play at all.   What will hurt them is if they launch a bug filled POS game and then provide little to no customer support.  That will hurt them.

And because they haven't kissed you behind with the information you are demanding that means the only things that must be wrong is the are building a pos game.
 

The game might not be out for a year or more. You don't need to have the information until the time comes where you have to make a commitment to purchase it.  That's it.  Personally, I am glad game companies are keeping things secret.

Originally posted by Carl132p

Is it necessary to know about it before its released? No. Does it change anything if you know about it before release? No. These threads come off as whiny or demanding every time they are written. You are not owed anything and deserve nothing,  is it so hard to just wait? Go get a life, that will surely take your mind off of things for a while.

I was with you until you told him to 'get a life'. Unless the zombie apocalypse has begun without anyone notifying me, we're all blood-pumpers, here.

Originally posted by dhayes68

Who cares how it's desiged? Stop being rabid fans begging for an excuse to give these companies your money. Refuse to play any game without a free trial and see for yourself.

hmm lets see i bought mass effect 2 with no option for a free trial i bought games like zelda counter strike. bioshock nobody demanded a free trial for all those games why should they give you a free trial on an mmo. It is no different the 1 free month gameplay time with the purchase is plenty. Most single/player games i buy last me just a couple weeks  and cost me 60 dollars. But i get a month of play online with my purchase of an mmo. If I don't like it i uninstall and put it away. 

I have never gotten this argument that all mmo's need ot give people a trial before they buy. Go tell that to the big games. Tell that to nintendo I won't buy mario without a free trial., I won't by zelda without a free trial. I won't by Halo odst with out a trail . Give it a break. 

Originally posted by segyn

I have never gotten this argument that all mmo's need ot give people a trial before they buy. Go tell that to the big games. Tell that to nintendo I won't buy mario without a free trial., I won't by zelda without a free trial. I won't by Halo odst with out a trail . Give it a break. 

You know, that's exactly why I gave up on single player gaming. Gaming reviewers are complete hacks, and I have never read a review from any source that has accurately and completely  reported on the negatives of any given game. If I'm paying 6x the price of a movie ticket for a game, it damn well better give me at least 12 hours of playtime.

Same goes for MMOs. I've never accepted the idea of paying for a box. If I have to pay a monthly fee, I see no way of justifying paying 3x that on a boxed copy. Especially since I prefer digital distributions, no box, no reason to pay full retail price. I don't care who is making the game or what license it's based on. If I don't get a few days of playtime to decide if I'll be playing an MMO a month down the line, I'm not buying it. Period.

Originally posted by Gennadios

Originally posted by segyn

I have never gotten this argument that all mmo's need ot give people a trial before they buy. Go tell that to the big games. Tell that to nintendo I won't buy mario without a free trial., I won't by zelda without a free trial. I won't by Halo odst with out a trail . Give it a break. 

 

You know, that's exactly why I gave up on single player gaming. Gaming reviewers are complete hacks, and I have never read a review from any source that has accurately and completely  reported on the negatives of any given game. If I'm paying 6x the price of a movie ticket for a game, it damn well better give me at least 12 hours of playtime.

Same goes for MMOs. I've never accepted the idea of paying for a box. If I have to pay a monthly fee, I see no way of justifying paying 3x that on a boxed copy. Especially since I prefer digital distributions, no box, no reason to pay full retail price. I don't care who is making the game or what license it's based on. If I don't get a few days of playtime to decide if I'll be playing an MMO a month down the line, I'm not buying it. Period.

AMEN!

or

QFT

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid 

 but if it's like Age of Conan, Guild Wars or EQ2 then I know to move on and not care.

You lost me there.  Instancing in Age of Conan has been blown way out of proportion.  Oh well, I enjoy the game because it is fun, while you whine because you have a loading screen.