Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by eddieg50

 I have an e8500 and an ati 4870 and the game runs poorly by that I mean hitching-you will be running one way and all of a sudden everything freezes and then you are running the other way LOL,  its a good game but still with some major performance issues, I guess if you played diplomacy all day and did not move much it would not be so bad but dont go near a city.

 

Hmm, could it be a ATI issue? My Nvidia card runs it fine.... Could be that it is not optimized for ATI. Of course my GFX card runs somewhat faster than yours (source: Toms hardware) but it shouldn't be enough to make that difference.

Maybe your computer is clogged up with programs in the background?

 

It's just complete horse sjit that you need today's top of the line GFX card to run the game properly.

Fact is, that the game is just poorly coded. They just managed to wreck an excellent Game Engine and make it run absolutely horrible and instable.

They got a lot of credits back in January 2008 when SOE actually had put some credible tech devs on the game during the course of 2007 to fix the performance of the game.

But as it's appearent that those same devs have been axed from the Vanguard team and replaced by interns, the last 2 updates have pretty much killed all the hard work the tech devs did back in late 2007!

The result today is that the game ran a lot better back in january 2008 on my GeForce 8600 GTS 256MB on a single core AMD CPU, 2GB RAM... then today on my AMD Dual Core (or my gf's AMD Tripple Core) with GeForce 9800 GTS/X 512MB and 4GB of RAM!

Not to mention that after a couple years, the game is still full of graphical glitches and armor / clothing klipping issues!

It's a shame tho. As the gameplay is pretty neat.

Just that SOE never has given and will never give it a proper chance! Instead they just try to bleed every last cent out of your pockets together with the addition of Live Gamer!

Pretty much the reason why me and my gf gave up on the game and moved on!

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And you know what's even more funny? That The Smed's sick tactics are now finally shimmering through and how he manages to stay on the CEO position all these years.

It's a very shady tactic to boost subscription numbers on your quarterly financial reports, by reactivating subs for a month every quartly period.

It took me a while to figure this out, but I always wondered why SOE was so desperate to reactivate my Vanguard sub every couple months the last year or so. Just like he does it with Everquest 2 now and then, when the game is in a sub dip.

I now know why.

Great you moved on,so why are you here in the VG forums? oh,wait you are a troll then,because what other reason would you be here if you have moved on.

Originally posted by Crackerrjack

Great you moved on,so why are you here in the VG forums? oh,wait you are a troll then,because what other reason would you be here if you have moved on.

As far as I know these are still discussion forums. So who is the troll huh? Take a look in the mirror.

At least I took the time to write down constructive feedback. That is more then what I can say about you.

Cheers

I don't want to get into who is trolling whom :)  But it is absolutely, positively false that you need a top of the line GFX card to run Vanguard.  Sure, if you want to run it in 2560x1600 with everything on max like me, yes... a 280gtx will do the trick.  But running they game in more normal resolutions you'll do just fine with a series 8 card (sorry, don't know the ATI heirarchy).

Vanguard is more likely find a bottleneck with a single core processor as the game is CPU intensive.  I upgraded 2 years ago from a single core 3.0hgz to a dual core and the performance boost was at least double. 

Originally posted by boojiboy

I don't want to get into who is trolling whom :)  But it is absolutely, positively false that you need a top of the line GFX card to run Vanguard.  Sure, if you want to run it in 2560x1600 with everything on max like me, yes... a 280gtx will do the trick.  But running they game in more normal resolutions you'll do just fine with a series 8 card (sorry, don't know the ATI heirarchy).

Vanguard is more likely find a bottleneck with a single core processor as the game is CPU intensive.  I upgraded 2 years ago from a single core 3.0hgz to a dual core and the performance boost was at least double. 

I would not be so quick to make such absolute statements about vanguards performance.  Vanguard has always been a game that is very fickle about the system it is being run on.  Two similar machines can often run the game with drastically different results.  That is why some people say the game runs great all the way down to those who have crippling problems. 

The games performance is just as dependant on luck as it is with the hardware powering your rig. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by boojiboy

I don't want to get into who is trolling whom :)  But it is absolutely, positively false that you need a top of the line GFX card to run Vanguard.  Sure, if you want to run it in 2560x1600 with everything on max like me, yes... a 280gtx will do the trick.  But running they game in more normal resolutions you'll do just fine with a series 8 card (sorry, don't know the ATI heirarchy).

Vanguard is more likely find a bottleneck with a single core processor as the game is CPU intensive.  I upgraded 2 years ago from a single core 3.0hgz to a dual core and the performance boost was at least double. 

I would not be so quick to make such absolute statements about vanguards performance.  Vanguard has always been a game that is very fickle about the system it is being run on.  Two similar machines can often run the game with drastically different results.  That is why some people say the game runs great all the way down to those who have crippling problems. 

The games performance is just as dependant on luck as it is with the hardware powering your rig. 

boojiboy loves to make absolute statements about VG. Ive pointed this out to him on several occasions. I think most people are on to him by now.

All but about 20 of his 1209 post are in the Vanguard forum defending or praising the game. That should tell you something.

in this post www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1236091#1236091  he claimed to run the game on the highest settings in 1600X1200 at 50fps with a 3.6 Ghz Pentium Geforce 8800 GTX 2 gigs of Ram just after release. which contradicts his last post  in this thread  /shrug
 

Originally posted by Bodeus

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by boojiboy

I don't want to get into who is trolling whom :)  But it is absolutely, positively false that you need a top of the line GFX card to run Vanguard.  Sure, if you want to run it in 2560x1600 with everything on max like me, yes... a 280gtx will do the trick.  But running they game in more normal resolutions you'll do just fine with a series 8 card (sorry, don't know the ATI heirarchy).

Vanguard is more likely find a bottleneck with a single core processor as the game is CPU intensive.  I upgraded 2 years ago from a single core 3.0hgz to a dual core and the performance boost was at least double. 

I would not be so quick to make such absolute statements about vanguards performance.  Vanguard has always been a game that is very fickle about the system it is being run on.  Two similar machines can often run the game with drastically different results.  That is why some people say the game runs great all the way down to those who have crippling problems. 

The games performance is just as dependant on luck as it is with the hardware powering your rig. 

boojiboy loves to make absolute statements about VG. Ive pointed this out to him on several occasions. I think most people are on to him by now.

All but about 20 of his 1209 post are in the Vanguard forum defending or praising the game. That should tell you something.

in this post www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1236091#1236091  he claimed to run the game on the highest settings in 1600X1200 at 50fps with a 3.6 Ghz Pentium Geforce 8800 GTX 2 gigs of Ram just after release. which contradicts his last post  in this thread  /shrug
 

 

Your flippant statement makes it clear you don't realize the difference in running this game 2560x1600 windowed mode versus 1600x1200 non-windowed.  That is a huge difference in GPU processing power as anyone that knows anything about GPUs would tell you.  I got a 30-inch Gateway monitor and run it in native.  Actually, I think the system stress in running windowed is more on the CPU than it is on the GPU.

I've also posted (gee funny, you didn't include that post) that when playing in 2560x1600 windowed with everything maxed that a full blown raid fight will drop my fps down into the teens and being the eye-candy freak that i am, I just can't bring myself to turn off anything.  What the new 280gtx delivered was not top end fps increase any higher than 60-70, but greatly improved performance in these raid fights to 30fps.  Very GPU intensive.

Further to the point, as I've also posted (weird, you didn't include that either), my son's computer has a grand total of $270 worth of Motherboard, CPU and Ram (along with my demoted 8800gtx from my PC) and runs Vanguard in 1600x1200 at 70fps. 

So the fact remains, it does not take enormous amounts of power to run this game, especially if you are running it at resolutions more 'reasonable' than 2560x1600 windowed.  There are many, many posts on this from people that seemed surprised at the performance they get because others are so hell-bent on trying to convince them that it takes a super-computer or something.

Here is a 1600x1200 screenshot from pre-updated computer:

Here is a 2560x1600 screenshot post-monitor and GPU upgrade:

Even after upgrades, the only thing newer than 2-years old in my PC is the 280gtx.  If you don't think the difference in GPU power needed between 2560x1600 windowed and 1600x1200 non-windowed is significant, I challenge you to test it for yourself on ANY game.  I've seen the same thing with CoD: World at War, Crysis, Company of Heroes and any game that allows those resolutions.

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Originally posted by Vrazule

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Originally posted by Nizur

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Originally posted by Vrazule
Nice try at viral marketing.  Aside from the still present and varied bugs, the game is too old school and doesn't even do that good of a job at it either.  This is a niche of a niche game, get used to the really small number of subscribers, because that's the best this game will ever do.

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I'll probably regret it, but I'm curious. What was the purpose of writing your response? What result are you wanting from it?

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You're kidding right?  There is no more purpose to my post than that of the OP.  He states  that everything about the game is fabulous and everyone should be lining up to play.  I'm pointing out that it's not and that one of the reasons why it lacks so much popularity is due to it being too old school rather than because of persistent bugs.  There are plenty of games that are at least moderately popular that are buggy, but people continue to play because the game itself is really appealing.  Not so much for Vanguard, as the proof is in the pudding.  If the game really was that appealing, then bugs alone wouldn't keep people from coming back eventually after they'd been fixed.  Yet this game, after almost 3 years, is still struggling to survive.  You do the math.

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No, I'm not kidding. You post your opinion and then tell everyone that's just how it is and to get used to it, as if you expected everyone to agree with or at least submit to your superior logic. Or that it would somehow bring the discussion to a halt because of the finality of the statement.

Did you even read the OP's post? He's not all roses and flower petals on VG. He's stating that he's enjoying VG, DESPITE it being resource intensive and having a small population. And in his opinion it's the best MMO on the market besides WoW.

You contradict one sentence with the very next one. "There are plenty of games that are at least moderately popular that are buggy, but people continue to play because the game itself is really appealing. Not so much for Vanguard, as the proof is in the pudding." The first sentence is a true statement, the second one is just your opinion trying to pass as a fact. You don't like VG. Great! You've shared it. Move on! Don't try to paint your dislike of the game as the final word on it. The game IS appealing to people, just not you. No it's not appealing to millions of people, but most MMOs out aren't either.

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Originally posted by Vrazule
By the way, this is a discussion board, what do you think are the motives of anyone posting here?  Did it occur to you that maybe I just wanted to express my opinion, just like everyone else.  Or are you just like all of the other rabid fans of Vanguard trying to downplay any criticisms or dissenting views?

That's the beauty of un-contested viral marketing.  They point out all of these wonderful things about the game and none of it's faults that can and often do ruin the player's gaming experience.  It really does help to see people posting differing views on the topic.  It helps to paint a larger picture for those who might have a vested interest.

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I have no problems with others sharing their opinions (pro or con) as long as they back it up, and don't try to paint their opinion as the final word. I'm certainly not a rabid fan of VG, but I do enjoy playing the game. My main issue is with extremes. Extremes on either end don't help the game or potential players. Post pros and cons, share your opinion and let the players decide.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by boojiboy

I don't want to get into who is trolling whom :)  But it is absolutely, positively false that you need a top of the line GFX card to run Vanguard.  Sure, if you want to run it in 2560x1600 with everything on max like me, yes... a 280gtx will do the trick.  But running they game in more normal resolutions you'll do just fine with a series 8 card (sorry, don't know the ATI heirarchy).

Vanguard is more likely find a bottleneck with a single core processor as the game is CPU intensive.  I upgraded 2 years ago from a single core 3.0hgz to a dual core and the performance boost was at least double. 

I would not be so quick to make such absolute statements about vanguards performance.  Vanguard has always been a game that is very fickle about the system it is being run on.  Two similar machines can often run the game with drastically different results.  That is why some people say the game runs great all the way down to those who have crippling problems. 

The games performance is just as dependant on luck as it is with the hardware powering your rig. 

I don't think it's luck, but Vanguard is finicky and it's a matter of finding out what the hang-up is for those that are having problems..  I completely understand people wanting to install a game and not have to worry about hardware requirements and/or video settings. 

A cheap upgrade on memory might do it, driver updates, don't burn DVDs while playing :)  But in the end, anything 2-years or newer should run VG just fine.  If people are having issues, posting system specs and logs goes a long way.  I've seen everything from BIOS upgrades fixing crash issues to simple upgrade from a series 7 card to series 8 making all the difference.

I'm not saying Vanguard isn't particular, but if someone has a decent rig and is still having issues, there is usually a cause that can be addressed.  There are settings that you can get away with on a series 9 card that you can't with a series 8.  I use Bloom Effect and it has no impact on my fps, others with different cards will see a fps hit.  I had to turn Hardware Occulsion off with my 8800 because it would cause textures to disappear, apparently ATI cards don't do thata.

Originally posted by Antarious

 I don't enjoy talking about the above.. because I think there was a lot of time and talent on this game and I think it obviously couuld have been one of the best MMO's... so its more of a tragedy that it ended up the way it did...

Yea but comon!  those are bugs!... just because a house has pests doesnt mean the house itself isnt truly awesome.

Bugs can be fixed and they did get fixed, but people like you just cant let go and realise that mmo's do develop and they do improve.  I mean if I were to judge you as you are now comapred to what you were like when you were 4 years old shitting the bed I think you would have something to say about it!

And its also for people like you that who cling on to this idea that once bad always bad, and VG will never recover from it.

Even with all these bugs I still loved and played the game for many many months when other games with hardly any bugs saw me loggin in but a few hours.

The core of this game is awesome, it truly is but its a massive and complete world which needs players and lots of them.  Now I dont mean to blame you for this problem because its also SOE's fault for not giving it the re-launch it deserves, but your certainly not innocent.

If a group of say 20 of my friends decided to to play VG, I would drop everything, take two weeks off work and have a fantastic time of it.

Originally posted by boojiboy

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by boojiboy

I don't want to get into who is trolling whom :)  But it is absolutely, positively false that you need a top of the line GFX card to run Vanguard.  Sure, if you want to run it in 2560x1600 with everything on max like me, yes... a 280gtx will do the trick.  But running they game in more normal resolutions you'll do just fine with a series 8 card (sorry, don't know the ATI heirarchy).

Vanguard is more likely find a bottleneck with a single core processor as the game is CPU intensive.  I upgraded 2 years ago from a single core 3.0hgz to a dual core and the performance boost was at least double. 

I would not be so quick to make such absolute statements about vanguards performance.  Vanguard has always been a game that is very fickle about the system it is being run on.  Two similar machines can often run the game with drastically different results.  That is why some people say the game runs great all the way down to those who have crippling problems. 

The games performance is just as dependant on luck as it is with the hardware powering your rig. 

 

I don't think it's luck, but Vanguard is finicky and it's a matter of finding out what the hang-up is for those that are having problems..  I completely understand people wanting to install a game and not have to worry about hardware requirements and/or video settings. 

A cheap upgrade on memory might do it, driver updates, don't burn DVDs while playing :)  But in the end, anything 2-years or newer should run VG just fine.  If people are having issues, posting system specs and logs goes a long way.  I've seen everything from BIOS upgrades fixing crash issues to simple upgrade from a series 7 card to series 8 making all the difference.

I'm not saying Vanguard isn't particular, but if someone has a decent rig and is still having issues, there is usually a cause that can be addressed.  There are settings that you can get away with on a series 9 card that you can't with a series 8.  I use Bloom Effect and it has no impact on my fps, others with different cards will see a fps hit.  I had to turn Hardware Occulsion off with my 8800 because it would cause textures to disappear, apparently ATI cards don't do thata.

Bios upgrades, new memory/motherboard/cpu, drivers, tweeking ini files, graphic settings different for ati/nvidia, posting system specs on the forums in the hopes of help and any other issues in the circus of problems this game has all based on random dumb luck of how vanguard decides to behave on any given computer?  What game serious requires bios updates? 

You are talking about the "fact" that vanguard can run on a modest computer and that people are hell bent on making the game look bad, but at the same time you gloss over how commonplace it is for people to have issues with the game from moment one out of the box.  Most games are simply install and run with almost any problem being solved by selected the hardware appropriate setting.  High quality, balanced, performance, etc. 

Most people will not have the ability to solve the issues if vanguard decides it doesn't like any number of aspects of your computer.  Maybe luck wasn't the best choice of words.  Would random be a better term for how vanguard might perform on someones computer without going to extremes?

I play with fps in the 40's (not in towns of course but Im in towns maybe 10% of my time) with a 8800GT @1440x900 and everything on save a few things that don't seem to make a difference visually

Originally posted by Daffid011

Bios upgrades, new memory/motherboard/cpu, drivers, tweeking ini files, graphic settings different for ati/nvidia, posting system specs on the forums in the hopes of help and any other issues in the circus of problems this game has all based on random dumb luck of how vanguard decides to behave on any given computer?  What game serious requires bios updates? 

You are talking about the "fact" that vanguard can run on a modest computer and that people are hell bent on making the game look bad, but at the same time you gloss over how commonplace it is for people to have issues with the game from moment one out of the box.  Most games are simply install and run with almost any problem being solved by selected the hardware appropriate setting.  High quality, balanced, performance, etc. 

Most people will not have the ability to solve the issues if vanguard decides it doesn't like any number of aspects of your computer.  Maybe luck wasn't the best choice of words.  Would random be a better term for how vanguard might perform on someones computer without going to extremes?

Honestly this seems par for the course in my experience.  Every game you install will sometimes have issues.  I started playing eq2 about a year ago.  When I first installed it it would crash all the time one me.  It was super frustrating.  I installed drivers, reinstalled the game, tried all sorts of things.  Ironically the thing the support guy suggested was the last thing I tried and it fixed my problem.  He has me run sysconfig and disable everything.  Low the game ran fine.  Eventually I found it was xfire that was causing the crash.  Reinstalling xfire fixed the problem.  Some time before that my daughter wanted to play wow and installed and and couldn't even get it to load.  I don't recall the actual fix there but it took several days of reinstalling stuff, drivers, etc to get things working.  When titan quest was released I bought that game and running it would give big lag spikes.  Eventually I had to go to the web site for the people that made the sound chip and found a sound driver file that work with my motherboard that worked and fixed that issue.

On the other hand I play lots of games and have also had many work flawlessly from the gitgo.  So to me it seems like it is completely random.  Oh another one that was a hassle was spore, ugh getting that to work was a pain and I never did get rid of a bunch of start up popups complaining about something.   But clicking past them like 5-6 times and the game loads fine...

I been playing for 2 weeks now and having a blast !  The quests are pretty good so far and most towns/buildings/dungeons are unique(have yet to come across buildings that look the same) and the community is friendly and helpful. The population on Halgrad is medium at peek hours and still plenty of people around my level.

Originally posted by ethion

Originally posted by Daffid011

Bios upgrades, new memory/motherboard/cpu, drivers, tweeking ini files, graphic settings different for ati/nvidia, posting system specs on the forums in the hopes of help and any other issues in the circus of problems this game has all based on random dumb luck of how vanguard decides to behave on any given computer?  What game serious requires bios updates? 

You are talking about the "fact" that vanguard can run on a modest computer and that people are hell bent on making the game look bad, but at the same time you gloss over how commonplace it is for people to have issues with the game from moment one out of the box.  Most games are simply install and run with almost any problem being solved by selected the hardware appropriate setting.  High quality, balanced, performance, etc. 

Most people will not have the ability to solve the issues if vanguard decides it doesn't like any number of aspects of your computer.  Maybe luck wasn't the best choice of words.  Would random be a better term for how vanguard might perform on someones computer without going to extremes?

 

Honestly this seems par for the course in my experience.  Every game you install will sometimes have issues.  I started playing eq2 about a year ago.  When I first installed it it would crash all the time one me.  It was super frustrating.  I installed drivers, reinstalled the game, tried all sorts of things.  Ironically the thing the support guy suggested was the last thing I tried and it fixed my problem.  He has me run sysconfig and disable everything.  Low the game ran fine.  Eventually I found it was xfire that was causing the crash.  Reinstalling xfire fixed the problem.  Some time before that my daughter wanted to play wow and installed and and couldn't even get it to load.  I don't recall the actual fix there but it took several days of reinstalling stuff, drivers, etc to get things working.  When titan quest was released I bought that game and running it would give big lag spikes.  Eventually I had to go to the web site for the people that made the sound chip and found a sound driver file that work with my motherboard that worked and fixed that issue.

On the other hand I play lots of games and have also had many work flawlessly from the gitgo.  So to me it seems like it is completely random.  Oh another one that was a hassle was spore, ugh getting that to work was a pain and I never did get rid of a bunch of start up popups complaining about something.   But clicking past them like 5-6 times and the game loads fine...

 

My point wasn't that these types of problems don't occur in other mmos, but proportionately most other games don't suffer anywhere near the same volume of problems.  In you example there is no control over xfire being a runaway process that any company could have anticipated.  That is a problem with xfire and another game that has issues of its own.

Vanguard has always been picky about the computer it runs on.  The problem lies with the programming inside vanguard and the results can vary widely from computer to computer for no real reason.  Even systems with the similar hardware can either have good performance or complete game breaking performance with little rhyme or reason as to why.  The problem isn't the users of those computers either (before anyone makes that claim again), because typically they don't have the same type of problem with other games. 

That is why you have so many people on each side of the discussion.  Some saying the game runs fine and other saying it doesn't.  No single players experience is representative of the collective whole in this case.  Honestly I don't know which group who represent the majority of experiences.  

the game changes once you get off the IOD ( Isle of Dawn ). if anyone is basing thier experience of Vanguard on the IOD they are in for a rude awakening( SoE is tricky). The low level game is almost empty of players and the people you do run into are mostly alt of someone with a high level character.

other then having such a low population of players the game is fine

I love Cheez-its ( www.cheez-it.com/ )

I'm not quite sure how this helps or contributes to this thread, but my current state of being dictated to me that this was the right thing to say in this situation.

Originally posted by ethion

Originally posted by Daffid011

Bios upgrades, new memory/motherboard/cpu, drivers, tweeking ini files, graphic settings different for ati/nvidia, posting system specs on the forums in the hopes of help and any other issues in the circus of problems this game has all based on random dumb luck of how vanguard decides to behave on any given computer?  What game serious requires bios updates? 

You are talking about the "fact" that vanguard can run on a modest computer and that people are hell bent on making the game look bad, but at the same time you gloss over how commonplace it is for people to have issues with the game from moment one out of the box.  Most games are simply install and run with almost any problem being solved by selected the hardware appropriate setting.  High quality, balanced, performance, etc. 

Most people will not have the ability to solve the issues if vanguard decides it doesn't like any number of aspects of your computer.  Maybe luck wasn't the best choice of words.  Would random be a better term for how vanguard might perform on someones computer without going to extremes?

 

Honestly this seems par for the course in my experience.  Every game you install will sometimes have issues.  I started playing eq2 about a year ago.  When I first installed it it would crash all the time one me.  It was super frustrating.  I installed drivers, reinstalled the game, tried all sorts of things.  Ironically the thing the support guy suggested was the last thing I tried and it fixed my problem.  He has me run sysconfig and disable everything.  Low the game ran fine.  Eventually I found it was xfire that was causing the crash.  Reinstalling xfire fixed the problem.  Some time before that my daughter wanted to play wow and installed and and couldn't even get it to load.  I don't recall the actual fix there but it took several days of reinstalling stuff, drivers, etc to get things working.  When titan quest was released I bought that game and running it would give big lag spikes.  Eventually I had to go to the web site for the people that made the sound chip and found a sound driver file that work with my motherboard that worked and fixed that issue.

On the other hand I play lots of games and have also had many work flawlessly from the gitgo.  So to me it seems like it is completely random.  Oh another one that was a hassle was spore, ugh getting that to work was a pain and I never did get rid of a bunch of start up popups complaining about something.   But clicking past them like 5-6 times and the game loads fine...

 

I've had the same general experience with games that require at least some performance out of computer hardware.

CoD: World at War - Crashed on start-up, after 2-days figured out I had to set sound sampling to a lower rate.  /shrug

EQ1 - Crashed on zoning 25% of the time

WoW - No issues except server connectivity, but I probably could have run WoW fine on my Apple IIe

LotRo - No issues of any kind.

Company of Heroes - Unit textures would show as rotating black blobs... had to roll back Nvidia drivers.

EQ2 - Crashed when zoning 50% of the time, eventually quit playing because of it.

Vanguard - No issues after memory leaks we fixed (crashed like everyone else prior to fix)

Crysis - Constant crash and freeze issues, had to run game in DX9 to make it playable.

F.E.A.R. - No issues

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. -  Textures disappeared, never figured out how to fix.

Team Fortress - Game minimizes on me  /shrug

For any game, there is a decent change that just an install and flawless play is not gonna happen.  I don't think the game is unusual in that respect any more.  At launch, it was horrendous and gradually got to where it is today in terms of stability.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by ethion

Originally posted by Daffid011

Bios upgrades, new memory/motherboard/cpu, drivers, tweeking ini files, graphic settings different for ati/nvidia, posting system specs on the forums in the hopes of help and any other issues in the circus of problems this game has all based on random dumb luck of how vanguard decides to behave on any given computer?  What game serious requires bios updates? 

You are talking about the "fact" that vanguard can run on a modest computer and that people are hell bent on making the game look bad, but at the same time you gloss over how commonplace it is for people to have issues with the game from moment one out of the box.  Most games are simply install and run with almost any problem being solved by selected the hardware appropriate setting.  High quality, balanced, performance, etc. 

Most people will not have the ability to solve the issues if vanguard decides it doesn't like any number of aspects of your computer.  Maybe luck wasn't the best choice of words.  Would random be a better term for how vanguard might perform on someones computer without going to extremes?

 

Honestly this seems par for the course in my experience.  Every game you install will sometimes have issues.  I started playing eq2 about a year ago.  When I first installed it it would crash all the time one me.  It was super frustrating.  I installed drivers, reinstalled the game, tried all sorts of things.  Ironically the thing the support guy suggested was the last thing I tried and it fixed my problem.  He has me run sysconfig and disable everything.  Low the game ran fine.  Eventually I found it was xfire that was causing the crash.  Reinstalling xfire fixed the problem.  Some time before that my daughter wanted to play wow and installed and and couldn't even get it to load.  I don't recall the actual fix there but it took several days of reinstalling stuff, drivers, etc to get things working.  When titan quest was released I bought that game and running it would give big lag spikes.  Eventually I had to go to the web site for the people that made the sound chip and found a sound driver file that work with my motherboard that worked and fixed that issue.

On the other hand I play lots of games and have also had many work flawlessly from the gitgo.  So to me it seems like it is completely random.  Oh another one that was a hassle was spore, ugh getting that to work was a pain and I never did get rid of a bunch of start up popups complaining about something.   But clicking past them like 5-6 times and the game loads fine...

 

My point wasn't that these types of problems don't occur in other mmos, but proportionately most other games don't suffer anywhere near the same volume of problems.  In you example there is no control over xfire being a runaway process that any company could have anticipated.  That is a problem with xfire and another game that has issues of its own.

Vanguard has always been picky about the computer it runs on.  The problem lies with the programming inside vanguard and the results can vary widely from computer to computer for no real reason.  Even systems with the similar hardware can either have good performance or complete game breaking performance with little rhyme or reason as to why.  The problem isn't the users of those computers either (before anyone makes that claim again), because typically they don't have the same type of problem with other games. 

That is why you have so many people on each side of the discussion.  Some saying the game runs fine and other saying it doesn't.  No single players experience is representative of the collective whole in this case.  Honestly I don't know which group who represent the majority of experiences.  

My point wasn't that xfire created the problem cause believe me I didn't think that was the issue.  Nor in my communication with forums and support did I ever mention it as the problem. 

The point I was trying to make is that until you know what the problem is and have fixed it it is a problem with the game.   It is frustrating and you gotta try a number of things.  The issues are different for every person.  And lastly that problems with games running is not uncommon.  

As to vanguard being more picky then most games I really have no way of saying...  Certainly at launch it was problamatic but in later times I've tried it on my computer and my wifes computer we haven't had any problems from a straight install.   Our computers are pretty different too.  I'm running Vista 64 with an intel quad core, and a gtx8000, she is running on an amd dual core cpu, with an ATI 3850.  I'm running on max settings she is running on balanced settings.

Originally posted by Joppari

I love Cheez-its ( www.cheez-it.com/ )

 

I'm not quite sure how this helps or contributes to this thread, but my current state of being dictated to me that this was the right thing to say in this situation.

I like Icecream. =D

EDIT: LOL, I thought that was the silliest poll ever!! Awesome post/ quote thingy.

use a ram-disk

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