Originally posted by Arkos_Kale

Originally posted by drbaltazar

post like this makes me  laugh ,imagine when wow got out it was what 5 years ago 

do you know a lot of game that stayed on top for 5 years in america 

i know only one and it wasnt cool looking in those days either its still same look polished but same

look isnt enough to keep gamer in a game in america ,if it isnt blurry like most f2p(silkroad online)

player will like the game ,say in september they corrected the game for anerica ,yes it will happen .you dont put that amount of effort to see wow still beat you in 2014 

can you honestly say that a non american made game will beat wow in america maybe but from what i ear here 

it will be another war,aoc etc

right now the best game i played beside wow is rune of magic ,yes they got querks but they get a major update in september 

aion ,we ll see if it picks up but say they get good  lol it will still have took 5 years just to get a chunk of blizzard player base 

at most they ll get 3 million people in america 

so blizzard would end up with 8 million instead it would still take 2 or tree year for other game comp just to catch up 

blizzard got plenty of time to add say pvp questing and all kind of other goody witch i bet come september they ll unveil just a week before aion or any game get s lunched ,new feature ,you can bet on it

 

 

Trying to make sense of this made me feel like a blind man looking at Playboy magazine.

First off, I'm getting sick and tired of people assuming that every new MMO is after subscription numbers like WoW. WoW is not the norm, companies know that. By your assumption, Aion will attract 3 million subs just from America? So if you take those 3 million, add them to the Aion subs from the rest of the world, plus worldwide subs from CoH/CoV, GW, and L1 and L2, what makes you think that NCSoft cares about WoW's numbers? They don't need WoW numbers to be succesful.

Second, have you even played WoW? PvP questing? It's been in the game since the vanilla days, and even more so with the expansions and areas like Lake Wintergrasp. You make it sound like something Blizzard hasn't even considered for WoW.

I played WoW since release heavily for the last 4.5 years, and still do on occasion, but I still can't stand grammatically challenged fanboys who choose to bash every other new MMO and game developer who's just trying to establish a new product in the genre.

 

 

 

Wow, honestly I couldnt even figure out if he was bashing WoW, praising WoW, or bashing other MMOs, the MMO genre, his mother or some random person on the street.  I give you kudos sir for being able to even partially comprehend that mess.

I like it. Sure there is nothing strikingly new or amazing but it is refined to a point of sharpness where this beta puts AOC's retail release to shame.

Some food for thought...

Support Classes
If you are playing support classes fear not. While in the early game it may suck to be you after you leave the newbie island you will be the only class w/ self healing and can in turn solo bosses. I LOLed on my Priest character when 2 peopled died trying to KS me and the others all lost their HP and ended up watching me kill the thing. Offered to heal them so they could give a try but their pride wouldn't help them.

Secondly from what I have been reading at about the mid-game this game becomes very team focused. I saw screenshots of 3 different full parties trying to take out superbosses. Sure the DPS monkeys may rock as n00bs but they try going on without support when the "real" game kicks in then they are gonna be SOL.

Combat
Combat is more than the click then attack. If thats all you are doing then likely you are doing it wrong... or maybe thats how warriors do it but then again thats not different than warriors in any other game. That being said my Scout is barely level 9 and he is already doing complex skill combinations to takedown enemies.

For example to begin a standard battle I usually start with:
1. Hide -> 2. Foused Evasion -> 3. Suprise Attack (Backstab) -> 4. Swift Edge -> 5. Soul Slash (Chain Skill) -> 6. Counterslash (Influcts Stun)

From there I will spam the Swift Edge-Soul Slash combo using standard (dual wielding fast attacks) until I either dodge so I can use Counterslash or used Focused Evasion so I can force a dodge. Either way with a proper setup assuming my backstab hits most enemies will be wiped out.

So I started this thread and said I was dissapointed... that's starting to change. I've enjoyed it more the last few hours I've played. A few points, most of which has already been mentioned.

Your character reacts to the enviorment which is very cool. Like I noticed when i was on the beach standing around my character picked up the sand. Minor but awesome.

Enemies killed in water will float to the top.

The wings are fun ^^

No lag (things took some time to load) but with the insane ammount of players the fact that I wasn't lagging was very nice.

Annoying problem is the loot stealing. Well it's not stealing because it's fair but hopefully they change it to where the person who starts the attack is the person who gets credit for it instead of the one who does the most damage. As a priest I was getting a lot of people getting credit when I had started the attack.

Overall though I'm happier with the game than I was orginally and I am looking forward to playing it over the next few days. So far it kinda reminds me of Final Fantasy XI meets Guild Wars... which is a good thing ^^

Good to see you are enjoying it. I think the game will probaly get alot better the furtner you get into it.

Originally posted by lornphoenix

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Combat... I forgot what it was like from clicking on a bad guy and having the PC fight for me. Boring. 

 

disable click to move and auto approach... then it won't free like that.

Thanks for the tip I will be playing again later today. With this format it has been a while for me.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by lornphoenix

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Combat... I forgot what it was like from clicking on a bad guy and having the PC fight for me. Boring. 

 

disable click to move and auto approach... then it won't free like that.

 

Thanks for the tip I will be playing again later today. With this format it has been a while for me.

Yeah I feel you on that AOC was my last MMO, SWG before that (nge ofc). I hate nge combat due to its flaws, but I must say I prefer even that over the oldschool click and wait combat, before anyone says it I know how to use specials I still consider those push and wait!

I really do not expect full blown twitch combat in an mmo. I do however expect it to at the least be engaging, I just can not get that from oldschool mmo combat anymore. I will be playing through to the end of this event, I guess I should at least see what is down the road in Aion.

However so far I really do not like what I am seeing.  I must say the game runs extremely well, there is a high amount of polish in the product. They have also obviously taken their time to get this game into a smooth little package, it just does not seem like my cup of tea.

-edit- Just to add I am currently in the beta for an awesome twitch sandbox game. I wish i could say what it is because it rocks!

Genuine fiirst impression :

The game looked dated right off the bat had to doube and triple check to see if the settings where full blast.

THe First portion of combat sounds, where poor, it was like hearing chinese firecrackers, the little kind.There was some Ambient noises but the over atmospheric mood of the areas just never grabbed my ear. To me sound is pretty important im immersion , but the lack of it in the first few hours of Aion made me feel disconnected to the world. My Characters sounds, very poor, Kind of sounded like a chinese man getting kicked in the private.

Animations, can go both ways depending on your preference and style. For myself, becoming more involved in games that lean to an authentic approach to combat (with a sowrd or weapon) I like realistic movements, fliud animations from one skill to the next and no animation reset. Aion  does not have that, the animation from my preference criteria was simply poor, when you wing a sword  2 ways inbetween skills, that is just an immersion breaker, it looks repetative and it creates the first over all impression of how the game is going to be laid out , with no real combat animations, just skill animations. Again, this is a preference for an individual.

The highlight for me was the character creator, that was amazing, a lot of options to create a seriously unique character was very impressive.

I think for the time they spent on Aion which is over 4 years, they should of had something a lot more unique and original , and something that that clearly seperated all of NcSofts games from Aion, but as I said in a prior post, this just felt like a game that importaed elements of everything that they have done before without having any devotion to bring Na/EU players something rewarding.

This is a genuine fiirst impression, and it is mine and mine alone.

My 1-10 impressions aren't that great. It has been the epitome of a linear theme park with a tired and boring combat system.

There has been no exploring or a need to explore. The newbie area was a narrow corridor with no room to stray from the predetermined path.

There have been no decisions to make. No options on character advancement. No choices of where to go or what to do. All I did was glide along the rails.

The content may not be my style. No grit. No underside of humanity. Very little humor. It was a little like watching a rated G kids show.

The most entertaining aspects of the game are not at all related to the interaction. It was always the visual flairs that made me go "ooooo" and "ahhh", never the gameplay.

Its not all bad though. I enjoyed my time. The graphic quality of excellent. The game felt polished and stable.

Keep in mind this was entirely level 1-10, so if anything changes in the later levels it won't be included in these impressions.

Comparisons are good. Champions Online has many many interesting choices and decisions in the early game. Fallen Earth is wide open to exploration and has a great sense of freedom. The Chronicles of Spellborn has a significantly better combat system, less hand-holding, and a nice gritty real feel to the content.

Notables:

1) Mob difficulty - they kill you quickly. Only other game that has done this is Ragnarok Online. And I felt Ragnarok Online did a good job with creating various atmosphere by scaling how fast/strong mobs are. I'm not sure how well AION will utilize this. However, it is a plus.

...

I guess that's it. The combat and quests are standard fare. Some mobs interact (that little horn guy chasing the firefly like monster). However the AI for them are standard as well (i.e. - completely oblivious to player characters). Overall the presentation is decent. There should be more encouragement for grouping. Anyways, this isn't something to pull me away from console games.  I'm still awaiting the next-gen MMOs (LineageIII, that game from bluehole studios, Blade and Soul, Final Fantasy XIV, etc.).

I liked what I saw of the game, being honest I have not played much, only to level 8. I really like the look of the game. I am a little confused though about how the pvp system works, I have not read up on it yet.

Originally posted by solareus

Genuine fiirst impression :

The game looked dated right off the bat had to doube and triple check to see if the settings where full blast.

THe First portion of combat sounds, where poor,

...the animation from my preference criteria was simply poor, 

Judging from the amount of posts you are making saying the same thing, it is hard for me to believe that NCsoft could put any ANYTHING that you would enjoy. What are truly expecting? The game scales very well with all types of hardware and most importantly it runs smoothly.

The only gaming engine that runs comparably is WoW in my eyes, but even that is becoming clunkier. AoC, WAR, EQ2... the engines were completely disappointing. You don't want to be playing a game that runs like a snail on even decent hardware. That just turns off the majority of the playerbase.

If the game did not run so smoothly I would not be as impressed. You can make anything look beautiful and have it run at 1-2 fps, that won't make it a better game though.

I would still be playing Lineage 2 if it didin't have bots running around unatested, and blantent gold sellers at the race track...Lineage 2 was an amazing blend of pvp , animation and the comunity was amazing, until gold farmers made the community split and there was the people who did buy gold and the people wwho didn't.

NcSoft lack of enforcement on ALL sellers ruined the game.

IF Aion was an amazing game, then I would be the first to come out and say, this is awesome !, but to ignore all the simularities of what they have already done suuccessfully , is kind of arrogant. If people who never played L2 / COH / GW , this would probably feel real good and fresh.

Originally posted by solareus

I would still be playing Lineage 2 if it didin't have bots running around unatested, and blantent gold sellers at the race track...Lineage 2 was an amazing blend of pvp , animation and the comunity was amazing, until gold farmers made the community split and there was the people who did buy gold and the people wwho didn't.

NcSoft lack of enforcement on ALL sellers ruined the game.

IF Aion was an amazing game, then I would be the first to come out and say, this is awesome !, but to ignore all the simularities of what they have already done suuccessfully , is kind of arrogant. If people who never played L2 / COH / GW , this would probably feel real good and fresh.

Stop trolling. I played L2 hardcore from beta to present and I find Aion fun and fresh. The only thing you've said right so far is NCSoft didn't enforce their EULA against bots hard enough.

Originally posted by Nyii

Originally posted by solareus

Genuine fiirst impression :

The game looked dated right off the bat had to doube and triple check to see if the settings where full blast.

THe First portion of combat sounds, where poor,

...the animation from my preference criteria was simply poor, 

 

Judging from the amount of posts you are making saying the same thing, it is hard for me to believe that NCsoft could put any ANYTHING that you would enjoy. What are truly expecting? The game scales very well with all types of hardware and most importantly it runs smoothly.

The only gaming engine that runs comparably is WoW in my eyes, but even that is becoming clunkier. AoC, WAR, EQ2... the engines were completely disappointing. You don't want to be playing a game that runs like a snail on even decent hardware. That just turns off the majority of the playerbase.

If the game did not run so smoothly I would not be as impressed. You can make anything look beautiful and have it run at 1-2 fps, that won't make it a better game though.

The whole reason I am waiting on this game is because it is NCSoft. They traditionally put out game that are fast and fun (COH/V, Tabula Rasa, etc...) for a while but grow old and boring as time goes by. Aion may be different but for now, I am waiting, reading reviews and watching movies of the game to form my own opinion. However, given the past history of the games that they have released, I am very skeptical.

Originally posted by templarga

The whole reason I am waiting on this game is because it is NCSoft. They traditionally put out game that are fast and fun (COH/V, Tabula Rasa, etc...) for a while but grow old and boring as time goes by. Aion may be different but for now, I am waiting, reading reviews and watching movies of the game to form my own opinion. However, given the past history of the games that they have released, I am very skeptical.

Why don't you try the Chinese retail? The best way to form an opinion is to try the thing.

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by templarga

The whole reason I am waiting on this game is because it is NCSoft. They traditionally put out game that are fast and fun (COH/V, Tabula Rasa, etc...) for a while but grow old and boring as time goes by. Aion may be different but for now, I am waiting, reading reviews and watching movies of the game to form my own opinion. However, given the past history of the games that they have released, I am very skeptical.

Why don't you try the Chinese retail? The best way to form an opinion is to try the thing.

I don;t feel like jumping through the hoops again. I did that with another game ages ago and it was very frustrating.

How hard is it to do that and also is it easy to figure out for someone from the US?

i don't think it has anything to do with NCSoft really... they just take what they think are good MMOs and release them. It's not like they create them so you can't really judge just because it's NCSoft....well you can ... but you might be coming to the wrong conclusion.

But either way I don't really care if you like Aion or not.. I just don't know why you'd be negative about it or skeptical yet still interested enough to be keeping an eye on it... I guess that's a good thing. *shrug*

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by templarga

The whole reason I am waiting on this game is because it is NCSoft. They traditionally put out game that are fast and fun (COH/V, Tabula Rasa, etc...) for a while but grow old and boring as time goes by. Aion may be different but for now, I am waiting, reading reviews and watching movies of the game to form my own opinion. However, given the past history of the games that they have released, I am very skeptical.

Why don't you try the Chinese retail? The best way to form an opinion is to try the thing.

I don;t feel like jumping through the hoops again. I did that with another game ages ago and it was very frustrating.

 

How hard is it to do that and also is it easy to figure out for someone from the US?

You could try out a faction to get a feel for the game, and once it releases in NA you switch sides, keeps things fresh.

It's extremely easy after downloading the Chinese client and patching, everything else which I won't mention here doesn't take more than 3-5minutes.

If you want to go for it just PM me, I'll be happy to help.

Originally posted by natuxatu

Progress the story along a little more... or give some insight on the world or story.. anything. Just not kill x amount ect. Which a few of those are okay but with the two and now three hours i've been playing it's been nothing interesting at all. I'm certainly not hating on the game, in fact I was very much an advocate of it... we'll see. Besides this is just my opinion.

What do other people think?

I was also feeling the same, until I reached level 10 and got out of the noob area.

Two things you need to look at:

1) There are general quests which helps you level up and to kill the time etc.

2) The campaign quest which has an outline of quests you can do. These are supposed to be the quests where it develops the storyline and gives you the lore. So for example you get to the village and it tells you to go talk to the campaign leader or something. He gives you some quest lines depending upon your level. It goes all the way up until you complete em all and at the end your the savior of the entire village. It also leads you to remembering your memories, and how you got to the noob area in the first place. I think the campaign quests are the part of the storyline that you've been wanting but however it hasnt captured you into thinking that its the storyline. You can always skip the campaign questlines AFTER the noob area. Because if you dont do em you're basically stuck in the noob zone. Sorry guys I kinda spoiled the whole experience for you.

I felt the same way but once I reached level 8-9 thats when I really began to comprehend it, and it kept me wanting to quest more to figure out how the story will be later on when you level up.

so they took a bioshock approach to story arch, that is pretty hairy if people don't know this going into the game. Wish i could of tried the game more before all my network problems.