Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by natuxatu

Actually I don't think WoW is boring at the noob stages just the opposite actually. I really enjoy thte story that goes with the starting areas of WoW and thus that is what, I think, got a lot of people hooked.

The fact is you can pass judgment on a game whenever. If it doesn't look good in mag, you probably will never play it. Likewise a game shouldn't be boring at any stages especially the beginning. That is bad game design, as you would think, the developers would like to get you interested so that you pay and keep on playing.

So overall I think it's wrong to assume that anyone needs to be bored in order to get to the good parts of the game. That's just silly. (I'm not dissing Aion. Personally I like Aion.)

 

 

From your Avatar I can tell that you played FFXI. How was lvl 1-10?

It was great, or I wouldn't have kept playing it. It's personal preference. If you thought it was boring then you stop playing. That was my point. FFXI was my favorite MMO with the most amazing community ever.

I would never say "oh it's boring to start with but you have to play to get to the good stuff." I would say, if you don't like it then don't play it.
 

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Obviously it's come to the point where everyone expects to receive a Handjob upon entering the playing realm of a new game. Aion never said it was innovative, it takes the features of the current genre and improves on them. WoW wasn't intuitive either, and it's done quite well.

 

Also, judging and MMO on the first 10 levels? Smart. I'm sure you enjoyed Heroic Striking your way through level 10 and Sinister Striking your way through level 10 as well, much more action packed.

 

And to top it off, I hit lvl 20 in China live without grinding once, so I don't know where you are pulling your info from.

Couldn't agree with the entire post more.

I went from 1-10 in under 2 hours, easy, with quests still to complete. I seriously question if I play the same game as half these people. I thought the story line was actually pretty decent, nothing spectacular, but works fine for an MMO. 1400x900 widescreen resolution looked fine, didn't feel like I was missing part of the picture? No reason to group? The areas are too small with too many people? They're channeled, it's populated like that because it's a preview weekend, lol.

Totally agree with everything said in these two posts.

The game is good, and it just gets better. I've played all of the good and bad MMORPGs out there, and for me Aion is an immediate buy on release. Aion doesn't bring anything new to the table, but what it does bring, is very polished, well designed and well executed features. The PvP is fun, the PvE is fun and generall combat was fun, without bringing anything new. If you look at WoW for example, you would say that the PvE in it is good, but the PvP is very poor. For WAR, you would say that the PvP is very well done, but the PvE is poor.

Grinding? Honestly, it's an MMO, you may experience grind in it. People classify grinding differently, some people think that grinding affects quests as well, but it doesn't. Grinding is used to describe when you run out of quests to do and you have to kill mobs without accomplishing any goal of any quest. In that section, I would say that Aion is not grindy at all! But the other section, called Quest Grind, is different. Grindy Quests involve killing mobs to finish the quests. I would admit to Aion having these types of quests more than lets say WoW's new expansion. But if you look at WoW Pre-TBC and TBC, you wouldn't notice any difference in the Grindy Quests, I would say that Pre-TBC and TBC WoW has more grind than Aion.

Quests in my opinion are done well in Aion, and sometimes it surprises you with them. For example, as I was on my way to the next questing hub, I see two statues. One of the statues had no head. I go and interact with one of the statues, and it gives me  some information about how it looks and how it reacts to my presence. I then look where the statues are located, and notice they are in a small pond, with a little string of watter falling into a small lake. I the go to investigate this lake and notice something flickering in the water. I jump in and see that the flickering object was the head of the mystical statue. I'm not going to describe everything as it would take too long and other people would find it as a spoiler. Anyways, it's just an example of a nice little quest in Aion, even though it's one of the least impressive quests. I would give another example of a very neat quest involving an axe and a tree, but I won't go into any depth about it.

I find the storyline to be good, as for some of the popular MMOs you would need to know a whole bunch of lore to really enjoy the game to it's full potential. For WoW you would've had to play the RTSs, for WAR you would've had to play the Miniature game or read the books, to enjoy the full potential of their game. Aion's lore is shorter and very interesting. For example. As the planet got ripped into two pieces and only one part of it got the sun, that part lives a better off life, with more flowers, more food, less monsters and so on. But the other part lives a harder life, and even look different in appearance and attitudes. I find that very interesting and cool. But I guess it's a matter of opinion.

When I played the CH Beta, even with the language restriction and no friends, I had a blast. Levels 1 to 10 were good, as it introduced me to some of the features in the game, such as cut scenes. Level 10 to 20 was even better as it introduced flying and new, fun and interesting skills to use and new monsters and setting. I really did not experience and grind or allot of quest grind in any of these levels.

But I guess it's comes down to personal taste and experience. Anyways, for people who like the game, hope to kill you in battle, for people who don't, too bad.

PS - Sorry for the wall of text and rambling...

Originally posted by natuxatu

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by natuxatu

Actually I don't think WoW is boring at the noob stages just the opposite actually. I really enjoy thte story that goes with the starting areas of WoW and thus that is what, I think, got a lot of people hooked.

The fact is you can pass judgment on a game whenever. If it doesn't look good in mag, you probably will never play it. Likewise a game shouldn't be boring at any stages especially the beginning. That is bad game design, as you would think, the developers would like to get you interested so that you pay and keep on playing.

So overall I think it's wrong to assume that anyone needs to be bored in order to get to the good parts of the game. That's just silly. (I'm not dissing Aion. Personally I like Aion.)

 

 

From your Avatar I can tell that you played FFXI. How was lvl 1-10?

It was great, or I wouldn't have kept playing it. It's personal preference. If you thought it was boring then you stop playing. That was my point. FFXI was my favorite MMO with the most amazing community ever.

I would never say "oh it's boring to start with but you have to play to get to the good stuff." I would say, if you don't like it then don't play it.
 

Alright, I agree that people can have different opinions and like different things. But if you for one second think that I believe that you or anyone else enjoyed leveling 1-10 in FFXI for the experience itself, I call shenanigans. The reason that you enjoyed this experience in FFXI was because of the community and because of the promise of better things to come in the future once you worked out the lower levels, and this is how all MMORPGs are, Aion is no different except for the fact that there are at least some interesting points in the 1-10 adventure.

I have to ask one thing.  Can your avatar jump in Aion?

If not, Epic fail. 

There are a couple things about the WoW newbie experience that completely blows away Aion.

For one, WoW has many newbie areas, not just two.

For two, within an hour of playing WoW you're seeing roads that head off to strange and interesting areas that you know you can't go to yet. It makes you want to explore. It lets you know that there is a big wide world out there waiting for you. Aion's newbie experience was totally linear. Even the first flying travel was short and didn't give any sense of a larger world.

It feels odd to defend WoW, but the newbie experiences just don't come close to comparing.

Originally posted by Kyleran

I have to ask one thing.  Can your avatar jump in Aion?

If not, Epic fail. 

Yes, your char can jump, walk, fly but for some reason he sinks in water.

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by natuxatu

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by natuxatu

Actually I don't think WoW is boring at the noob stages just the opposite actually. I really enjoy thte story that goes with the starting areas of WoW and thus that is what, I think, got a lot of people hooked.

The fact is you can pass judgment on a game whenever. If it doesn't look good in mag, you probably will never play it. Likewise a game shouldn't be boring at any stages especially the beginning. That is bad game design, as you would think, the developers would like to get you interested so that you pay and keep on playing.

So overall I think it's wrong to assume that anyone needs to be bored in order to get to the good parts of the game. That's just silly. (I'm not dissing Aion. Personally I like Aion.)

 

 

From your Avatar I can tell that you played FFXI. How was lvl 1-10?

It was great, or I wouldn't have kept playing it. It's personal preference. If you thought it was boring then you stop playing. That was my point. FFXI was my favorite MMO with the most amazing community ever.

I would never say "oh it's boring to start with but you have to play to get to the good stuff." I would say, if you don't like it then don't play it.
 

Alright, I agree that people can have different opinions and like different things. But if you for one second think that I believe that you or anyone else enjoyed leveling 1-10 in FFXI for the experience itself, I call shenanigans. The reason that you enjoyed this experience in FFXI was because of the community and because of the promise of better things to come in the future once you worked out the lower levels, and this is how all MMORPGs are, Aion is no different except for the fact that there are at least some interesting points in the 1-10 adventure.

Whatever the reason. A community is part of the game. It was very party based and did it well. And there is a lot of people who enjoyed leveling up 1-60+  It also was not a promise of better things to come because i didn't know what to expect.. I wasn't even a FFXi fan.

Again just because you clearly didn't enjoy leveling up you thing that I and no one else enjoyed it. You are being very ignorant.

But I'm done. I'm not going to argue about FFXI here.

Originally posted by Aganazer

There are a couple things about the WoW newbie experience that completely blows away Aion.

For one, WoW has many newbie areas, not just two.

For two, within an hour of playing WoW you're seeing roads that head off to strange and interesting areas that you know you can't go to yet. It makes you want to explore. It lets you know that there is a big wide world out there waiting for you. Aion's newbie experience was totally linear. Even the first flying travel was short and didn't give any sense of a larger world.

It feels odd to defend WoW, but the newbie experiences just don't come close to comparing.

I totally agree. This would have been a very valid negative.

To take the point further, altoholics won't be thrilled with this. There's only 1 starter zone and it's very linear. You'll be doing the same quests over and over. I don't think a lot of people can bring themselves to level more than 1- maybe 2 alts in Aion IMO.

Finaly a game is releasing without bugs, lag free, enough contents , beautiful world, nice customatization, etc and you guys start bashing it BECAUSE it use the same formula from other games and put in into one?

Then my "friends" what are you doing in the world of MMO's? Go play consoles, single player RPG's and so on and stop crying because Aion brings nothing new to the table ( they NEVER stated that Aion will come with something new and innovation ) . I am sold to a game like Aion because of the simple fact that it's polished and has add alot of features from already released games into ONE GAME.

I understood when AoC and War came out when alot of players gave them negative feedback because they were bugged and not enough contents , but how in the hell could you give negative feedback to a game BECAUSE it use the same formula which works?!

Cristina1, PLEASE go back to your .. LOVELY game, Darkfall :)

Solareus , .. go play whatever game you want if you are comparing Aion graphic to .. Rapplez graphic, and you see nothing new on it.

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by Aganazer

There are a couple things about the WoW newbie experience that completely blows away Aion.

For one, WoW has many newbie areas, not just two.

For two, within an hour of playing WoW you're seeing roads that head off to strange and interesting areas that you know you can't go to yet. It makes you want to explore. It lets you know that there is a big wide world out there waiting for you. Aion's newbie experience was totally linear. Even the first flying travel was short and didn't give any sense of a larger world.

It feels odd to defend WoW, but the newbie experiences just don't come close to comparing.

 

I totally agree. This would have been a very valid negative.

To take the point further, altoholics won't be thrilled with this. There's only 1 starter zone and it's very linear. You'll be doing the same quests over and over. I don't think a lot of people can bring themselves to level more than 1- maybe 2 alts in Aion IMO.

I agree with both of you on that. I suppose you could create an Alt on the opposite side though it'd have to be on a different server maybe? Not sure if it'll let you create both on the same server but either way there will be a tad more option... but yeah it doesn't compare to WoW. IMO the starting areas are WoWs strong point... especially the expansions blood elf/draneni/death knight. I would say WAR also did the starting area right but throwing you right into the war.

Aion is good for sure, but the starting area is not it's strong point.

Also so far there havent been a lot of flying areas. I could fly but then it would stop me and say i can't fly into that area ect.

EDIT: But yes it's very nice as far as not lagging and not buggy ect... and it's pretty imo. ^^

Just a reminder that the preview is under a NDA.   This game wil apeal to the mass audience and that is what they are shooting for.  I would not be a bit surprised if this game puts a fair dent in the number of  WoW players.  I have played both and AION  is what I would choose between the two (and remember this game is fairly new compared to WoW).  Game companies are in business to make a profit....this is why they follow a certain mold and why a lot are compared to Wow, LOTRO, etc.  (BTW I have played LOTRO for a year now and I like AION better).  Some of the points noted in this thread are good...remember this is still beta and there will be changes made before release....now I gotta get back to havin fun .....

Game is polished yes and like WOW yes but the problem is that WOW is 5 years old now. 5 year old game play in a shiny package. Pass.

Originally posted by avalon1000

Just a reminder that the preview is under a NDA.   This game wil apeal to the mass audience and that is what they are shooting for.  I would not be a bit surprised if this game puts a fair dent in the number of  WoW players.  I have played both and AION  is what I would choose between the two (and remember this game is fairly new compared to WoW).  Game companies are in business to make a profit....this is why they follow a certain mold and why a lot are compared to Wow, LOTRO, etc.  (BTW I have played LOTRO for a year now and I like AION better).  Some of the points noted in this thread are good...remember this is still beta and there will be changes made before release....now I gotta get back to havin fun .....

No-one I know in WoW (asides from my real life friends) knows what Aion even is - so I really don't think Blizzard has anything to worry about.

Aion feels like it was designed for Lineage and Final Fantasy players imho.

Originally posted by avalon1000

I would not be a bit surprised if this game puts a fair dent in the number of  WoW players.  I have played both and AION  is what I would choose between the two (and remember this game is fairly new compared to WoW).

Everybody says that about a new game in the early days.  The above statements are basically meaningless.  I hope you are right, but I've heard comments like these so many times, then the game fails to deliver.

I don't care how many people are in Aion. The douchebags and what-not can stay in WoW or whatever they're coming from to try this game. This MMORPG is the first one that I've played and enjoyed in a long time. I'll be playing this until the ship sinks.

Yet another sad EQ clone. WTF do people even bother getting excited about these crappy clones. 

Please do not give money to yet another half arsed point and clicky shitty game.

Seriously people need to stop playing this kind of mindless nonsence and try the breed of games out there like Darkfall and Fallen Earth.

SHITTY POINT AND CLICKY = SHIT GAME.

Originally posted by Waterlily

I'll go over my impressions really fast. I'm not here to write a review, I'm not qualified to do that and I won't pretend to be, I'm just goint to point out issues which bother me a lot and eventually disappointed me.

I didn't expect the game to be great, but it I didn't expect it to be bad either, I was wrong, it's really not a very impressive game.

 

positive:

*game runs very well

*interface is nice to use

*music is quite good

*graphics are ok, much less good than Aion trailers, but still not bad

 

negative

*Very standard MMO....... kills 10 of X, collect 4 of Y

*No goal or reason to be there......, you feel like you're dropped into a world where you don't belong

* text is mediocre at best.........., it's definately translated by people not used to MMO, the language and terminology used isn't impressive

*Combat is very boring........... for the first 10 levels, you get very few abilities

*Game is a grind............, maybe I've played too many MMO, but <target mob> <kill mob> <target mob> <kill mob>..is what you'll be doing for about 4 hours non-stop to get to level 10

*NPC's did not speak to me (sound)................, maybe they will fix this, I don't know

*Players are mostly just soloing,........... no real incentive to group, maybe this will change in later levels, I don't know

*Places you start in are way too small,......... too many players all dumped into starting places, you feel like a person trapped in a box

*No real story..........., almost no lore, I felt lost? and it felt a bit pointless to be there

*There's something wrong with the game's horizontal vision,..... imagine looking through a camera and missing a good part of the side view of the world, that's what it's like when playing Aion, they restrict vision to the left and right

 

If I had to give it a score? Shrug, I guess 4/10. Anyway, I hope this helps, yes it's a very negative review, but that's how I felt about the game.

 

lol well apart from it being a beta weekend and its hardly a time when you can really have any kind of expectations . the fact it runs smoothly sounds pretty good . other than that everything you say seams to sound like warcraft to me . at least what wow is like in its early game and definatly the impression i got from the warcraft beta . wow in its early stages is really a grind it only gets interesting at level 20 + when you can start doing the instances . i doubt you had the chance to get that high in the game . so nothing in what you say really puts me off aion but like any mmo i m holding fire till i see for myself . i think and hope your wrong in what your estimation of it is based on very limited play from what i ve heard from other sources .
 

Originally posted by Kyleran

I have to ask one thing.  Can your avatar jump in Aion?

If not, Epic fail. 

hahaha glad i m not the only one that hates not being able to jump . its a must :P 

You CAN jump. Epic win!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by FreedomBlade

Yet another sad EQ clone. WTF do people even bother getting excited about these crappy clones. 

Please do not give money to yet another half arsed point and clicky shitty game.

Seriously people need to stop playing this kind of mindless nonsence and try the breed of games out there like Darkfall and Fallen Earth.

SHITTY POINT AND CLICKY = SHIT GAME.

FYI Aion uses WASD and/or right+left mouse click to move and/or point and click, which you can completely disable in the options if you want. Everyone can chose to play as they want.

Next time try to take example form some of the other good trolls in this thread; get yourself informed first and try to sneak in some real information when you are posting some over exaggerated BS ..... makes it less obvious