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6/05/09 10:47:49 PM#41
Originally posted by heartless
If this game was F2P, I'd be inclined to agree with you. Right now though I don't see myself paying $50 + $15 per month as I'm waiting for a real game. The wait will be incredibly long, because there's barely anything that can made into an MMO that hasn't been touched yet. |
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6/06/09 1:02:45 AM#42
Originally posted by oskironmaide
LOL, you consider Diablo and Starcraft to be real games? Another RTS to add to an already flooded market and the same top down view, killing the same monsters over and over type of game thats been done so many times before. Like one of the above posters said. Those games are the same style of games that we have played for years but you are so hyped about them but when it comes to MMOs if its not something new its not good. The only non mmo game that has me hyped is Dragon Age. Games like Diablo and Starcraft are games you play when your MMO is down for weekly maintanence. FFXIV is on my list of most wanted but who knows anything about the game? Show me one in game video or trailer. When Final Fantasy gets ready to come out people will be talking about games like Oblivion Online, Blade & Soul and what ever else is announced. People will always be hyped about the next thing the same way they were about games like Age Of Conan, Dark Fall and Warhammer. Aion is on its way to 4 Million Subcribers in less then 6 months. Its a great game that may not be what you are looking for but thats not our problem now is it? AMD FX-4100 Zambezi (OC at 4.3GHZ ATM) |
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heartless
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Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
6/06/09 1:39:32 AM#43
Originally posted by Korvenus
LOL, you consider Diablo and Starcraft to be real games? Another RTS to add to an already flooded market and the same top down view, killing the same monsters over and over type of game thats been done so many times before. Like one of the above posters said. Those games are the same style of games that we have played for years but you are so hyped about them but when it comes to MMOs if its not something new its not good. The only non mmo game that has me hyped is Dragon Age. Games like Diablo and Starcraft are games you play when your MMO is down for weekly maintanence. FFXIV is on my list of most wanted but who knows anything about the game? Show me one in game video or trailer. When Final Fantasy gets ready to come out people will be talking about games like Oblivion Online, Blade & Soul and what ever else is announced. People will always be hyped about the next thing the same way they were about games like Age Of Conan, Dark Fall and Warhammer. Aion is on its way to 4 Million Subcribers in less then 6 months. Its a great game that may not be what you are looking for but thats not our problem now is it?
People seem to either get confused about Aion subscribers or purposefuly mislead others. The 4 million subscribers are not subscribers in the same sense as they are in a western MMO's. Since most Asian MMOs are either F2P or have a free client download, they count total accounts ever created, active or inactive. For example, in Aion China you download the client free of charge and then buy game time. Anyone who has created an account gets counted, whether they are playing or not. You also get free time, either on new servers or when you just join a server. As an example, check out the population statistics for Maple Story. They blow away WoW, Aion, EQ2, L2 and most other western and probably Asian MMOs right out of the water. Why? Because they report total accounts ever created and not just those in good standing. Now if we were to take Maple Story's numbers at face value, we can safely assume that Maple Story is probably the most amazing MMO ever created. Right?
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6/06/09 2:27:41 AM#44
Originally posted by heartless
People seem to either get confused about Aion subscribers or purposefuly mislead others. The 4 million subscribers are not subscribers in the same sense as they are in a western MMO's. Since most Asian MMOs are either F2P or have a free client download, they count total accounts ever created, active or inactive. For example, in Aion China you download the client free of charge and then buy game time. Anyone who has created an account gets counted, whether they are playing or not. You also get free time, either on new servers or when you just join a server. As an example, check out the population statistics for Maple Story. They blow away WoW, Aion, EQ2, L2 and most other western and probably Asian MMOs right out of the water. Why? Because they report total accounts ever created and not just those in good standing. Now if we were to take Maple Story's numbers at face value, we can safely assume that Maple Story is probably the most amazing MMO ever created. Right? I'm not disagreeing with you, but i was wondering how you know the way asian MM0s calculate subscription totals. And, is there a website that lists the current population of current MMOs? Ive seen one website that has population charts of MMOs from 1997 but it hasnt been updated since last year |
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heartless
Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
6/06/09 2:43:01 AM#45
Originally posted by NomortaL
People seem to either get confused about Aion subscribers or purposefuly mislead others. The 4 million subscribers are not subscribers in the same sense as they are in a western MMO's. Since most Asian MMOs are either F2P or have a free client download, they count total accounts ever created, active or inactive. For example, in Aion China you download the client free of charge and then buy game time. Anyone who has created an account gets counted, whether they are playing or not. You also get free time, either on new servers or when you just join a server. As an example, check out the population statistics for Maple Story. They blow away WoW, Aion, EQ2, L2 and most other western and probably Asian MMOs right out of the water. Why? Because they report total accounts ever created and not just those in good standing. Now if we were to take Maple Story's numbers at face value, we can safely assume that Maple Story is probably the most amazing MMO ever created. Right? I'm not disagreeing with you, but i was wondering how you know the way asian MM0s calculate subscription totals. And, is there a website that lists the current population of current MMOs? Ive seen one website that has population charts of MMOs from 1997 but it hasnt been updated since last year In a game which has no monthly fee, accounts don't get canceled. You just stop playing the game. Since most asian MMOs are F2P, itemshop or pay for time, all accounts ever created are in good standing. That doesn't mean that most of those accounts are being used. But since there are no subscription fees like there are in the west, I doubt that anybody actually takes time to cancel an account. I know I never do with any F2P mmo I try. As far as statistics, I just looked up Maple Story in Wikipedia. I know that it's not the most reliable source out there but I'm not writing a school paper and the numbers listed there are close to the ones I remember were advertised by Nexon a while ago.
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6/06/09 3:30:23 AM#46
I believe the F2P games in asia where you buy time are tabulated by how many accounts bought time that month. So if they are inactive they aren't buying time and thus aren't counted. Now the item mall games are the hard ones to pin down, IE Maple Story. So as long as AION is a pay for time game the numbers will be pretty accurate. Also have to read the wording as well. If they use accounts created vs subs. |
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6/06/09 8:26:28 AM#47
Originally posted by andmiller
Seriously.....why even take the time to download the game if you aren't even going to give it a fair shake? I'm not saying it is or isn't good, but talk about a rush to judgement..... It's because those players are already playing other games, but since the beta keys were up for grabs, they thought ""why not, then I'll experience this Korean grinder/WoW clone and show up on the forums and complain while saying "I TOLD YOU SO"". It didn't go quite as planned, as there was nothing really to complain about, so they ended up labeling the game a WoW clone and complain that it's the 'same old same old', which of course, had they followed the game a bit before trying it, they would have already known that the 1rst 20levels are like every other traditional MMO.
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6/06/09 9:08:34 AM#48
Originally posted by 0guz
nuff said xD MMOs are MMOs...looking for something different ?...go play Darkfall QUESTION: |
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6/06/09 9:15:43 AM#49
Yeah it's more of the exact same that we've seen in the past 5 years, but with a different look.
Wish they'd start getting a bit more innovative. Oh well. |
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6/06/09 9:30:47 AM#50
Originally posted by Electriceye It's because those players are already playing other games, but since the beta keys were up for grabs, they thought ""why not, then I'll experience this Korean grinder/WoW clone and show up on the forums and complain while saying "I TOLD YOU SO"". It didn't go quite as planned, as there was nothing really to complain about, so they ended up labeling the game a WoW clone and complain that it's the 'same old same old', which of course, had they followed the game a bit before trying it, they would have already known that the 1rst 20levels are like every other traditional MMO.
Probably the best thing I've heard on the Aion forums in the last few days. Well done. I mean there really aren't many things to nitpick. I'm going to think of a few off the top of my head. 1. I can't swim! Ok so really the only real complaint I can see is no swimming and I really think if swimming is in the top 5 of what you look forward in an MMO, go scuba diving. If people have noticed they let everyone on one server and only one starting zone. Wheres the whining about lag? I don't hear much of that. Which is good, thats what I want to hear! It means we can have large RvR fights in the Abyss! Looking forward to it. |
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6/06/09 9:32:05 AM#51
I played in Asian Aion and have checked out the NA version somewhat. Aion does not do much new but it does it well. Those looking or something vastly different from EQ2 or even games like Guild Wars or Lineage 2 will be disappointed. I am not saying it is a clone but there are points of similarity ranging from quests to art style. The flying mechanic does mix it up a bit. The graphics are nice, the client is extremely stable on max settings (at least, in my experience). Having not pvp'd yet it would be unfair or stupid for me to make a judgment on it either way. The pvp may bring something more to the table. Aion will keep a lot of fans of this kind of game very happy. If you're looking for something very original, you will probably be disappointed. Have a winner and don't go on a game over! Does your avatar make you powerful in real life? Check out the Mystical Enders gaming community. www.mysticalenders.com |
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6/06/09 11:18:22 AM#52
it's funny because.. i played WoW since beta all the way through to WOTLK and guess what? i find Aion more entertaining. It's not just WoW with nice graphics, you must be retarded... go back to WoW and don't come back :) |
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6/06/09 11:20:39 AM#53
He never said it was, seriously not everyone is a WoW fanboy (hard to believe I know). As for the TC, im glad to hear its entertaining, im really looking forward to the NA launch. Wolfenpride: <--Giant fucking sword syndrome. Probably cause im trying to compensate for miniscule manhood. |
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6/06/09 11:30:57 AM#54
People are just overfed on MMO gameplay. For some of us, this happened a year or more ago. I have been there from the start, Meridian 59, EQ1 and all, and therefore WoW wasnt the big first cherrypopping MMO for me. Right now, a ton of people for whom WoW invented this gameplay are looking for a new thing. And they look around and realize, all new things do a lot of stuff so badly, that they arent worth playing. But at the same time, most good games are very similar in Gameplay to WoW. WoW replaced the Mobgrind with the Questgrind, and that held up for a few years, but now we are at the point where Questgrind is the same that Mobgrind used to be 5 years ago..... shallow, overplayed, uninteresting and obviously just a painful necessity. So, we need something new, but there isnt anything, and I believe a lot of MMOs to come will receive this "but it isnt anything REALLY new that tickles me the right way" treatment. But so far, none of the alternative attempts worked out except EVE. That is the core of the problem..... Aion is basically the product of the MMO community's gaming habits, nothing else. Its the game we, in a way, created. Its the perfected epitome of the gameplay we made huge over the last years.... only now its not fun enough anymore. If we hat latched onto more of the smaller, innovative games, things might be different, but these are shunned for not bringing the same amount of polish, content or similarity to the good old times. Its a bit like asking for a low-budget ferrari. Just because there is a demand for it doesnt mean that its feasible to make it, and if you offer something that is feasible to make, it gets shunned for being too crappy.
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6/06/09 11:33:41 AM#55
Aion iosnt trying to be different its just offering whats worked in other MMO's with far better graphics and polish I love it, Im gald someone has got back to just making a MMO and not trying to push things to strange mechanics that just dont work.
MMO will never truly change they will just better what the previous did now give us some more sci-fi stuff :) |
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Kyleran
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Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
6/06/09 11:47:19 AM#56
Originally posted by Korvenus
LMAO, he said back to Darkfall?
Anyway I am with Sovrath. Lineage 2 has been my only game for years so I am new to this quest type of gameplay and I am loving it.
I felt the same way when I first played WOW, quest based gameplay seems pretty fun. But after leveling 5 characters to 60, then moving on the AOC, VG, WAR, etc who all rely on quest based combat, you may begin to weary of it as I did. Doesn't mean you AION won't be fun, heck I'm playing ROM now, its as close to WOW as you can get w/o playing WOW. I'll probably give AION a try too, but I won't be expecting it to be really anything new.
"Just because you aren't paying doesn't mean it's not PTW." - Amaranthar |
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6/06/09 12:48:33 PM#57
Originally posted by boobot
Because you need to play to max level before you can make a decision? |
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6/06/09 8:37:28 PM#58
Originally posted by Cynthe
Personally I totally agree with you in the sense that every step taken is an improvement and should not be downplayed at all. I've said in my blog that WoW changed how we play games and some people were suprised at that and that WoW just ripped off EQ. What they don't understand is this is what an MMO IS. Every generation improves and adds to it and even changes some aspects but essentially you can't change what an MMO is. I think it would be pretty astonishing to find a game that successfully broke the mold that defines MMOs as a genre. Impossible? I don't think I'd go that far, but it is improbable given the current market and the juggernaut that Blizzard has created. They refined and in many ways redefined the genre. I think, eventually, the sheer amount of players in MMOs currently will decrease at a rate large enough that the genre will have to reboot itself. Until then, I agree that MMOs can only go so far when they try to make a unique game. Which is why these threads right here make me laugh. Especially since the game in question never promised anything completely new other then aerial combat. I think threads like this show us that there is an unsatisfied minority within the MMO community. They crave something different so badly that they revolt against anything that has similarities to other titles. The hard truth is that, since they are a minority, no company sees them as a viable market. Games like Darkfall, to name one, seems to be trying to lure a niche market of those who are unsatisfied currently, but that community and game has its own problem. In short, I agree with you. I think threads like this only miscommunicate to a captive audience that a game isn't good, when in fact it merely shares commonalities that all MMOs in recent years have shared.
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6/06/09 8:42:31 PM#59
Originally posted by thamighty213
I personally just dont get the graphics rationale because Aion brings nothing to the table in that regard, really. It seems like from one whack-a-mole mmo to another with Aion. |
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Koroshiya
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Joined: 6/18/05
Cowards die a thousand deaths, a soldier dies but once. |
6/06/09 8:54:53 PM#60
Why do people get so offended when someone says they don't like the game they are so hyped about?
Guess what? I played chinese release, NA beta all weekend (19assassin, 18templar) and I won't buy it at launch as it stands. Does that mean your choice to buy the game and enjoy it is any less important to you or to the forum? No. Get over it people. So some people are tired of the same ol' same ol' mmo quest grind, class based system? So what? The only way the developers are going to know that they are is if they post (And don't buy) about their products and they read it. If you don't agree, fine, don't agree but to say someones OPINION isn't "correct" because it isn't YOUR opinion is a farce.
Opinions are just that, everyone is entitled to them regardless if you agree, or regardless if it hurts your inner mmo fanboism. I love the game of EQ2, but do I make sure to try and post about how "stupid" someone is because they don't? No, I realize that people have different tastes then others and give my counter points to that. In the case of AION, it isn't anything different then other games that I have max level characters in, and for ME the leveling/lower level content isn't enticing enough to make me want to buy it, start over and relevel in a system I find over done and obtuse. For a new game to pull me away from the already numerous games where I have max levels to choose from (eq2, aoc, daoc, war, swg) then it needs to offer something that those don't. Unfortunate for me (and maybe not you) the whole "you get WINGS!" wasn't enough for that to happen.
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