Originally posted by Smirch

EvE is like the marathon of MMOs. It's not "fun" unless you've been playing it for ages...and even then, it's still pretty boring.

Why? Fanboys will mewl over someone disagreeing that this isn't the holy grail of MMOs but here we go...The jump mechanic is unneccesarily drawn out and over used. Mining/harvesting makes the most tedious task you can think of look like a rollercoaster ride. PvP, while widespread, feels clumsy and not well thought out. The offline skilling system was kind of interesting when this game first came out, now it just feels limiting.

If spaceship/outerspace themes are what you're looking for well you're stuck with this steamer for a little while longer, but don't worry. Star Trek Online and a few other titles will be coming soon to finally put this lame horse out to pasture.

 

No.

Wrong.

But it is fine you dont like the game. To each it own. STO looks like a heap of crap to me.. but that doesn't mean you are  "right" or I am "right".

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Originally posted by Smirch

It's not "fun" unless you've been playing it for ages...and even then, it's still pretty boring. 

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Maybe for you, but I had fun from the first moments.

Hey OP. Hit me up in-game and I'll give you a ship and some ISK (no, this is not a scam, LOL)

Name in game is Bodhidauruma.

Originally posted by Taram

Originally posted by tvalentine

i consider you more lucky. All you need is to create another character. And you get your ship back. The only valueable thing you lost in this was your time

 

Um... actually all he has to do is dock and he'll have a new ship for free.

i was thinking you started off with a frigate, instead of the noob ship.  Looks like i was wrong, and this whole story of what happened is kind of .... a moot point since the op lost absolutely nothing except 5 minutes of his time.

Originally posted by Smirch

EvE is like the marathon of MMOs. It's not "fun" unless you've been playing it for ages...and even then, it's still pretty boring.

Why? Fanboys will mewl over someone disagreeing that this isn't the holy grail of MMOs but here we go...The jump mechanic is unneccesarily drawn out and over used. Mining/harvesting makes the most tedious task you can think of look like a rollercoaster ride. PvP, while widespread, feels clumsy and not well thought out. The offline skilling system was kind of interesting when this game first came out, now it just feels limiting.

If spaceship/outerspace themes are what you're looking for well you're stuck with this steamer for a little while longer, but don't worry. Star Trek Online and a few other titles will be coming soon to finally put this lame horse out to pasture.

 

I dunno... I have played a LOT of MMO's in my time... Sometimes when I think about it I wonder why I've wasted so much of my life on the damn things I've played so many of them...

For me?  EVE is the best thing out there right now.  I do look forward to a few that are on the horizon though and it's likely that 1 or 2 have the potential to pull me away from EVE (at least for a while anyway)  ;)

But your statements are unfounded.  EVE is a fun MMO.  Does it have boring aspects?  Yes, but for the most part the boring aspects are fairly avoidable.  The missions can actually be fun if you let yourself kick back, relax, and enjoy them.... if you sit there and grind for hours a day?  Yeah it gets boring... personally I've never played EVE for more than a couple hours at a stretch, and often for only a couple hours a day (couple meaning 1-2 btw) and I've never felt "Bored of EVE" during that time.  The only times I've ever gotten 'bored of EVE' I took a break for a few weeks and wound up coming back eventually.... usually the 'bored of EVE' periods have come after long intense times in EVE like when I first joined ASCN and we were working on the first outpost (which involved some of the most boring mining marathons I've ever done... thanks ASCN.... how glad I was when BOB killed you fkrs) and after the Tortuga nonsense when I got so sick of pos war it wasn't even funny.  Other than that I have never gotten 'bored of EVE'....

So, yeah, EVE can get boring, if you let it.  Typically a short break and then Im back though....

BTW:  STO is very likely to be a steaming pile of crap, which makes me a sad panda cuz every time I see a Star Trek title in any game Genre I pray to god someone finally gets a star trek game right... unfortunately STO looks like it's going to be a stinker.... likewise I'm affraid SGW  is going to fail... not because it's a bad idea but because the developer is so strapped for cash that if they DO somehow release the game it'll be a rush job because they can't afford to keep it in development to polish it... so it'll be craptacular for years, if not forever, and that's if it even manages to get released before CME implodes....  The two Sci-Fi MMO's I have the most hope for, and which have the largest chance of pulling me away from EVE are Jump Gate: Evolution, which just announced a release delay and Star Wars: The Old Republic (which probably won't release till late 2010 if not 2011.

So I'll be playing EVE, quite happily, for the forseable future. And it's likely that JG:E won't be able to hold my attention... the original didn't so I'm not expecting too much out of the sequel... especially if PVP is consentual only like I've heard....SW:TOR.... on the other hand... unless it sucks in spades... probably is inevitably going to pull me away from EVE for a while, if not for good.

But your premise IS flawed... EVE isn't boring unless you play in ways that make it boring.  EVE is a totally open ended game.  Just do what you enjoy... if you find something boring get with friends and do something that isn't boring.

What I'm getting at is that to a COMPLETE NOOB what happened can be discouraging. Now, if all you want is the existing population, then that is fine! But if you want the game population to grow then this kind of thing works against that.

(I edited my previous post, and replaced it with a more rational, less emotional post relating the same message)

Im not sure im buying all of his story but if its true lessons learned. I have a simple fix for this problem but folks will yell at me and hurt me feelings for a few seconds. So im not gonna mention it here.

Welcome to EVE :)

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Im not sure im buying all of his story but if its true lessons learned. I have a simple fix for this problem but folks will yell at me and hurt me feelings for a few seconds. So im not gonna mention it here.

if its not "petition the guy who broke the rules about ganking newbs" and is in fact the other thing that you constantly harp on about despite it being shown to be a terrible idea, then yes. you are right.

Originally posted by GoldenGate

Really? that's classic. It's par for the course on these boards. Just show your "uber-ness" and be-little anyone that isn't as intelligent as you. I'd wager that's not the actual case, though. Anyhow, I wasn't whining if you read my post. As much as people just can't wait to pile on, all I was saying was that the tactic that Auroro74 used was pathetic.  You may like to tell me how petty I am (which is what you're implying), or how I need to just suck it up because all I lost is 5 minutes of my time, but what you're not getting is that to a COMPLETE NOOB, what happened is discouraging. Now, if all you want is the existing population, then kudos to you! But if you seriously want to instill new blood into this game, then get a new mindset. Seriously.

 

This was in response to Tvalentine, by the way. I guess I'm just inept at that the whole "quote" thing. ;)

While I agree with you, up to a point, Tvalentine does make a valid point:

All that the person lost was 5 minutes of their time.

As to your point: Yes, to a new player this can be very discouraging and extremely frustrating.  However, that being said, it's also very true that if 1 ship loss, especially when the ship is a free newbie ship that gets replaced the moment you dock in a station, is enough to frustrate a new player to the point where they don't play EVE then odds are they really won't have the mindset to play EVE in the first place.

EVE is, after all, a pretty brutal place when it comes right down to it :)

However, as I and many others have said, in new player systems the behavior this guy experienced is not allowed.  He should put in a petition against the person who killed him. 

game is kinda realistic. thats all :p

Haha, that is quite a funny story. Yeah it can be a pain but it is still a great game.

I dont why people are telling GoldenGate to petition this. Hell I've been stripped butt naked in hardcore MMOs I've played in the past when I first started. Worst, in UO you didnt know where the shrine was haha. You just staring at your corpse as a ghost

Have we gotten so prissy nowadays that we report a newbie gank to GMs?

Originally posted by PatchDay

I dont why people are telling GoldenGate to petition this. Hell I've been stripped butt naked in hardcore MMOs I've played in the past when I first started. Worst, in UO you didnt know where the shrine was haha. You just staring at your corpse as a ghost

Have we gotten so prissy nowadays that we report a newbie gank to GMs?

 

I hear you man, back in the day this was nothing... All these players now just wanting to have fun and shit, I mean wtf!!!

Originally posted by PatchDay

I dont why people are telling GoldenGate to petition this. Hell I've been stripped butt naked in hardcore MMOs I've played in the past when I first started. Worst, in UO you didnt know where the shrine was haha. You just staring at your corpse as a ghost

Have we gotten so prissy nowadays that we report a newbie gank to GMs?

 

While I would never report someone for ganking me as a newb it is against the rules and is a bannable offense. Everyone knows that Eve is harsh and CCP wants it that way but at the same time CCP also realizes that ganking new players in thier starting ship and system is just plain stupid and unnecessarily frustrating.

Originally posted by PatchDay

I dont why people are telling GoldenGate to petition this. Hell I've been stripped butt naked in hardcore MMOs I've played in the past when I first started. Worst, in UO you didnt know where the shrine was haha. You just staring at your corpse as a ghost

Have we gotten so prissy nowadays that we report a newbie gank to GMs?

 

because ganking newbies in a newbie system just scares them off, and thats not good for any of us in the long term. let them get a new ship or two and then start ganking them. at least let them fly around a little first.

this should be petitioned, this character should be shitlisted, and frankly if his corp hasnt already kicked him, they should be shitlisted as well.

I guess I'm thinking the opposite. If no one ganks these newbies and rips off their diapers they might stay in highsec forever. We got too many people trembling in fear in highsec as it is- scared of what will happen if they visit lowsec

Took forever to get my carebear buddy to move to 0.0. finally one day he gets jacked traveling through lowsec and saw its not all that bad.

I say let these newbies get jacked in highsec so they learn danger is everywhere. Instill some fight in their little hearts

Originally posted by PatchDay

I guess I'm thinking the opposite. If no one ganks these newbies and rips off their diapers they might stay in highsec forever. We got too many people trembling in fear in highsec as it is- scared of what will happen if they visit lowsec

 

Took forever to get my carebear buddy to move to 0.0. finally one day he gets jacked traveling through lowsec and saw its not all that bad.

 

I say let these newbies get jacked in highsec so they learn danger is everywhere. Instill some fight in their little hearts

Look, I hear you. My original post wasn't meant as a whine. I thought it was a humorous and  interesting beginning to game that  could be discouraging to brand new players, and I was simply sharing. Apparently, based on the rules of conduct, CCP feels the same way.

Now, as to the comment about instilling some fight in our little noob hearts, that is just flat condescending.  I play Warhammer on a PvP server, and I actually am playing Darkfall (although not for long because there are just so many things wrong about that game).  So, it's not that I'm "scared" of getting ganked, it's core to the PvP game. But Eve is entirely unique. Whereas in what I'll call traditional games (War, Aoc, Darkfall, WoW) the controls and the settings are very familiar, Eve's control scheme and interface is entirely unfamiliar and complex. I will tell you that even in Darkfall, which is also a heartless, dark world, I wasn't getting ganked 2 minutes after spawning in the game for the very first time.  In Eve, after spawning in-game for the very first time, I was simply trying to figure out how to move my ship. I was so new I didn't even know how to open and loot the can that he was baiting me with!

Anyway,  my heart isn't little, and it's certainly not lacking fight. ;)

Ganking a player on the first day is just fail, even by EVE standards. Most players engage because there is something to win or something to defend. Losers just gank to gank. BTW someone should probably let DF in on that while there is still time.