I'm tired of the genre that is 5+ years behind current technology.

I'm sorry guys, I don't give a shit if its impossible to create a game as good looking as Single player games and keep that Massive feel of MMOs. I'm tired of how low tech MMOs look and play.

Just to keep a massive feel we need to play games with terrible combat mechanics, bad storylines and Repetitive gameplay?

If It wasn't for Eve I think I would have uninstalled every MMO I have on my PC after seeing these E3 Previews the last couple days.

I'm tired of it, there's just no excuse for new MMOs being on par visually with games 5-6 years old.

Just look at the games at E3 and now look at the game you fire up almost everynight for the "Massive" feel. It's pathetic and I give up.

With the exception of Eve, I'm done. Just look at games like Lost planet 2 and Mass effect 2 it makes me sick how fucking awesome they look.  Don't give me that shit that You can;t compare Single player games to MMOs because thats the god damn MMO devs that are brain washing your ass. The MMO devs are lazy and they know you will pay for 5+ year old looking games for that "Massive" Hook.

I've ordered myself a Xbox 360 and I await true evolution of video games, because it's totally not in the MMO genre.

MMOs will always be years behind current technology. EQ2 was the only MMO i ever saw that was different that way when it was released.

A game that takes a minimum of 4 years to complete using the same engine they start out with will never be able to keep up with time. 3-4 years is an eternity in PC technology years. I doubt it's feasible to keep changing game engines during development just to keep up with hardware advances while the game is being developed.

mmo is still a new genre and still quite experimental, you know you need to give it time, mmorpg has only really been evolving for a few years.

eww xbox 360.... PS3 can handle alot more stuff if your looking for shiny graphics. For the 360 fanatics out there, I do have both and the PS3 exclusives look alot better than 360 exclusive. if its on both consoles well its the same because ps3 can do anything the 360 can. btw I am always scared to turn on my 360 because of RRoD, its like russion rulette every time you turn it on.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

mmo is still a new genre and still quite experimental, you know you need to give it time, mmorpg has only really been evolving for a few years.

I'm sorry man but the genre has been de-evolving since WoW and on top of that Other videogames look fucking awesome.

It's just too much. I can't even enjoy myself with the new MMOs.

Originally posted by toddze

eww xbox 360.... PS3 can handle alot more stuff if your looking for shiny graphics. For the 360 fanatics out there, I do have both and the PS3 exclusives look alot better than 360 exclusive. if its on both consoles well its the same because ps3 can do anything the 360 can. btw I am always scared to turn on my 360 because of RRoD, its like russion rulette every time you turn it on.

i was going to trade my 360 but then after E3 Microsoft i decided not to, but then the next day on E3 sony i still really wanted a PS3..so i have to have both now..>.>

Originally posted by toddze

eww xbox 360.... PS3 can handle alot more stuff if your looking for shiny graphics. For the 360 fanatics out there, I do have both and the PS3 exclusives look alot better than 360 exclusive. if its on both consoles well its the same because ps3 can do anything the 360 can. btw I am always scared to turn on my 360 because of RRoD, its like russion rulette every time you turn it on.

My brother has a PS3 and lives in the same house. No worries im not a PS3 v Xbox guy Ill buy everything if its good. just doesnt make sense to have two PS3s fear not Sony fanboi I choose no sides lol.

My kids have a Wii, Bro has a PS3 so i decided to grab a 360.

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by SgtFrog

mmo is still a new genre and still quite experimental, you know you need to give it time, mmorpg has only really been evolving for a few years.

 

I'm sorry man but the genre has been de-evolving since WoW and on top of that Other videogames look fucking awesome.

It's just too much. I can't even enjoy myself with the new MMOs.

they look awseome but are they awseome? allot of people are complaining about newer (non-mmo)games aswell, all flash and poor content. well poor compared to the stories of games that came out a decade ago.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by SgtFrog

mmo is still a new genre and still quite experimental, you know you need to give it time, mmorpg has only really been evolving for a few years.

 

I'm sorry man but the genre has been de-evolving since WoW and on top of that Other videogames look fucking awesome.

It's just too much. I can't even enjoy myself with the new MMOs.

they look awseome but are they awseome? allot of people are complaining about newer (non-mmo)games aswell, all flash and poor content. well poor compared to the stories of games that came out a decade ago.

console games are getting worse to. Now developers leave content out just to put it in later in the form of DL'ed content which you end up having to pay for. There getting good at nickle and diming.

Some MMOs can push graphics, Aion on high for one if you have the hardware to run it like that.  Not everyone runs the same PC so they have to strip it down to compensate for Joe Ultima Online that refuses to upgrade from his ATI9800.  I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and guess that the high end PC hardware market isn't all the profitable either. 

What bothers me though is the re-hashed game play and mechanics all these MMOs do.  The same old tank, dps, heal.  Or the same old attack, wait, hit some skills/spells.  This type of model sales and it sales well.  Though these days and I mean "right now" we are starting to see studios get a little more creative and change things up.  It's a scary thing because you could end up failing.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by SgtFrog

mmo is still a new genre and still quite experimental, you know you need to give it time, mmorpg has only really been evolving for a few years.

 

I'm sorry man but the genre has been de-evolving since WoW and on top of that Other videogames look fucking awesome.

It's just too much. I can't even enjoy myself with the new MMOs.

they look awseome but are they awseome? allot of people are complaining about newer (non-mmo)games aswell, all flash and poor content. well poor compared to the stories of games that came out a decade ago.

 

console games are getting worse to. Now developers leave content out just to put it in later in the form of DL'ed content which you end up having to pay for. There getting good at nickle and diming.

 

the curse of the DLC

I'm currently valuing ideas over technology. I don't really mind outdated graphics if the game manages to bring some interesting new concepts, even though cutting-edge technology can really add much into a game. Still, I'm more worried about the plane of ideas currently, MMOs seriously lack originality nowadays.

The problem is the gamers. They eat this stuff up so much its not even funny. game devs are not held accountable. Since this is an MMO board ill direct it to the MMO side of it, but console games are starting to get away with it to.

In MMO's the majority of people dont know what they want. They want a challeneging MMO thats casual. Am I the only one that the phrase "challeneging MMO thats casual" sound completly stupid, Its the exact same thing as saying "I want a easy game thats hardcore" , but just the oppisite you cant have them both. The gamers in general dont know what they want. Lack of time is an excuse, they just want hand outs in MMO's and thats what they get, Somehow that makes the feel worthy of some sort. One of these days the MMO will start to be able to progress again but were far from it now. Especially since I have seen that SE even threw in the towel and final fantasy XIV was aimed at the casual crowd 

I hear ya.  A lot of people use the same excuses for this problem as well.  Really, there are several games coming out over the next two years that look only slightly better than say, Star Wars Galaxies, a nearly six year old game.  Sure, the engines may be more stable and better optimized than SWG's engine, but the looks are pretty damn close to the same. I'm usually one of those people who values gameplay over graphics, at least to an extent.

PC games no longer cater to small, fairly allfuent group of computer owners like they used to 5 or so years ago.  If these companies want to make any money, they have to scale the graphics down for the myriad of crap computers out there.  Look at WoW.  One of the main reasons for its success is the system requirements being so low.  Without this, there is no way in hell they would have the subscription numbers they have.

We just seem to be stuck in a really lame, dark period of time for MMO evolution across the board.  There is nothing exciting coming out in the next few years. I think it's going to take a few more large AAA titles tanking after launch before the game companies get the message.  In the mean time, the only real hope for MMORPG's will come in the form of niche games from small dev houses who are willing to take a chance.  EVE is one of those success stories, and there is room for several more.

an important reason why mmorpgs look far worse than single player games is that they survive far longer, the big mmorpgs atm are 4+ years old, go google some farcry (2004) screens and compare them to farcry2.

also the argument that mmorpgs have different needs is not just made up, everyone wants a seamless mmorpg world with massive fights, single player games can load and what they understand as a crowded screen is far away from the mmorpg definition.

the non developing gameplay of mmorpgs is the customers wish, the by far bigger part of mmorpg player is pleased with what is currently available, over time mmorpg will develope, but not that soon sadly.

what also has to be said is that single player games have gotten shorter and shorter over the last years, go play a game of the late ninties or early 21st, it's a huge difference, most games nowadays keep you busy for no time at all.

I think star wars the old republic will be the first real MMORPG. Its the first MMo promising to focus on the story, and nto just trying to see how many people they can jam onto a server at one time. The hero engine is pretty impressive, and i think st:tor will show people that, so basically while i am waiting for AIon and champions online, i have faith that SW TOR will not dissapoint.

I agree however, PC is the strongest gaming rig out there, and every MMO is always years behind what the pc is capable of , so far  behind that morons actually belive consoles are the best system

MMOs are supposed to be timeless, the dev team should create with the intention of upgrading every 5 years, and whne i say upgrading i mean, revamping the engine, redoing hte texture, if the game is successful enough they should be willing to say, alright, we are going to relaunch the game with a new engine, new features and up to date graphics but the core game is still the same, all other data like character and stuff will transfer over.

But instead every mmo seems to be made with a timeline, they just plan to replace it again after a year or two so who cares if it sucks.

And finally... pc only genre isnt mmo, everygame that comes out on console usually comes on pc later down the road, and always looks better, at least for me it does, then again my computer isnt outdated shit like most mmo gamers out there.

Originally posted by JGMIII

I'm tired of it, there's just no excuse for new MMOs being on par visually with games 5-6 years old.

Because I can tell just from the tone of this message that you are a game developer or have known a number of them and therefore have a well informed base upon which to make this statement. And as an intelligent individual have figured out that every single game company out there that is throwing millions of dollars into development just got lazy and didn't bother to do as well as they can. You must have a some truly deep knowledge because an individual such as myself that actually has been around game developers and the industry didn't know all of that. But, not to worry, your profanity and baseless opinion has enlightened all. At least I'm assuming you were trying to enlighten, otherwise it would just be an emo "this sucks, I quit, what I do is important enough to tell the world about" message in which case you would have just posted it on your myspace site, so it must have been to enlighten.

Although for a serious word on the topic, there is far more to take into consideration here than you seem to realize. Given your priority in game aspects I highly advise you do gravitate to the single player genre.

Just look at the games at E3 and now look at the game you fire up almost everynight for the "Massive" feel. It's pathetic and I give up.

Somehow I don't think you, your attitude and your complaints of "it's not shiny enough so it's shit" will be missed by your fellow gamers.

I've ordered myself a Xbox 360 and I await true evolution of video games, because it's totally not in the MMO genre.

Enjoy Eve and your Xbox. Seriously.

 

(And I find great humor in the fact that  your respite from these games that are 5-6 years behind is a console released in 2005 and an MMO from 2003.)

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

I think star wars the old republic will be the first real MMORPG. Its the first MMo promising to focus on the story, and nto just trying to see how many people they can jam onto a server at one time. The hero engine is pretty impressive, and i think st:tor will show people that, so basically while i am waiting for AIon and champions online, i have faith that SW TOR will not dissapoint.

I agree however, PC is the strongest gaming rig out there, and every MMO is always years behind what the pc is capable of , so far  behind that morons actually belive consoles are the best system

I think you are going to be in for a shock.  SWTOR is shaping up to be the purist theme-park game ever made, heavy on the solo play.  It may be an MMO, but I don't think it's going to be much of an MMORPG.

Originally posted by MindTrigger

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

I think star wars the old republic will be the first real MMORPG. Its the first MMo promising to focus on the story, and nto just trying to see how many people they can jam onto a server at one time. The hero engine is pretty impressive, and i think st:tor will show people that, so basically while i am waiting for AIon and champions online, i have faith that SW TOR will not dissapoint.

I agree however, PC is the strongest gaming rig out there, and every MMO is always years behind what the pc is capable of , so far  behind that morons actually belive consoles are the best system

 

I think you are going to be in for a shock.  SWTOR is shaping up to be the purist theme-park game ever made, heavy on the solo play.  It may be an MMO, but I don't think it's going to be much of an MMORPG.

What makes you believe that will shock me, i hapen to like the idea of cinimatic combat, and solo emphasis. Most of the time i only feel like playing in small groups, 2 to 3 people and only really want to do multiplayer in pvp, another solo thing, the only community interaction i really do while leveling if i can help it is sell items to otehr players.

Its going to online, story driven, interactive in both the combat and how the story goes for your personal character, and there are missions that can be influenced by you alone and a full party. What part of MMORPG are you missing, sounds like you just confirm the whole "Gamers have no idea what they want" THought mentioned earlier. MMOs arent twiched based, so all of them are on some track, Bioware doesnt hide the fact that it is, and i think they will do a good job when launch comes.

I know what Star wars is offering, ive been following it since it was announced, and all the things you put down as cons are the things i actually would enjoy experiencing.

The problem is there are limited means of conveying your content your audience.

So far we've had games with lots of content that elongate how long players are in content by way of levels, grinding & questing timesinks.

We've had games that have very little actual content & try to be a sandbox, by way of PvP.

WoW was a polished theme-park game, it had an end game that consists of ever-more complex raid events, it borrowed that style from Everquest which had itself started out attempting to be a semi-sandbox "me & a few mates versus the world" simulator & ended up a raiding game.

MMO's are still new, they are massively larger projects to create than any single player game, & vastly more complex to keep runing & keep developing for, the good ones are constantly updated, altered & evolved over time, single player games just don't have to plan for that.

MMO's can be many things, but MMORPG if it wants to become truly next gen, must try to appeal to evey kind of player, in what is almost a "Don Quixote" way, I think it's possible, but a game that can appeal to fans of hardcore gaming & fans of casual gaming & be able to provide an engaging & exciting entertainment for both needs to look at what games currently offer & do more.

More variety of "how" they play the game, more variety of "challenge", more variety of "reward", more ways to be involved, more ways to have the gme be a new experience each time they play it, be that changes to environment, story, or their character, the NPC's around them having stories, simplified "lives" of their own etc etc.

As far as how MMO look, only when technology has advanced & become so cheap as to be the case that it's hard to spot the difference between the graphics produced by a 5000 dollar machine & a 1000 dollar machine will graphics for MMO's be able to match that of single player games, at least if you seriously expect a MMO shifting hundreds, if not thousands of players around while a single play game moves 1 player can look the same before that happens, well, you are just not being realistic.