Originally posted by Hyanmen

What SE Has said: "We're expecting to have around 100 000 subscribers if we're lucky... we've been generally very surprised about Japanese reaction to the game; more than 20 000 suscribers already!"  This was from 2002.

 

Now let's see, Even if it was as little as 250k subscribers (lol), the MMO far exceeded the expectations SE had for it. Also, how about having 400k subscribers pay 13 dollars every month for 5 years instead of 5million pay 50 dollars once in 5 years? Which one is more profitable? Lolflop

guess its all about expectatives then. i pity SE for having an ~100m franchise and expecting 100k players.

btw, one thing i agree with your post. japan inflated those numbers big time. the repercussion of FF in west was even lower, and i dont think its gonna be much better with 14, awesome gfx or not the game screams "WAPANESES ONLY"

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Hyanmen

What SE Has said: "We're expecting to have around 100 000 subscribers if we're lucky... we've been generally very surprised about Japanese reaction to the game; more than 20 000 suscribers already!"  This was from 2002.

 

Now let's see, Even if it was as little as 250k subscribers (lol), the MMO far exceeded the expectations SE had for it. Also, how about having 400k subscribers pay 13 dollars every month for 5 years instead of 5million pay 50 dollars once in 5 years? Which one is more profitable? Lolflop

 

guess its all about expectatives then. i pity SE for having an ~100m franchise and expecting 100k players.

 

btw, one thing i agree with your post. japan inflated those numbers big time

Well, if we look at the MMO's back then none had that many players in the end. At least no WoW numbers, although there were some with million or more players. I would expect SE to challenge WoW this time around, but if they can succeed or not I don't know. You say they can't, and I say they can. It'll be interesting to see the outcome at least.

Originally posted by Hyanmen

 shows around 12 500 active characters per server. With 32 servers that comes down to... Exactly 400 000 players.

chars != accounts

sorry,but there's plenty of decent level mules. and many people have several fairly leveled chars that use from time to time. i know because that (was) my situation

again: try half that and your closer to the truth

or simply log in the game and see for yourself

200k is 200k.....or is it? i argue about the succeed and impact of the game

200k players for darkfall, an indie production with 0 background and starting fanbase is like JACKPOT

200k players for FF, the best selling RPG saga of gaming history with over 100m units sold is like "ok what did we do wrong?"

Originally posted by arcdevil

chars != accounts

 

sorry,but there's plenty of decent level mules. and many people have several fairly leveled chars that use from time to time. i know because that (was) my situation

again: try half that and your closer to the truth

or simply log in the game and see for yourself

 

200k is 200k.....or is it? i argue about the succeed and impact of the game

200k players for darkfall, an indie production with 0 background and starting fanbase is like JACKPOT

200k players for FF, the best selling RPG saga of gaming history with over 100m units sold is like "ok what did we do wrong?"

I doubt that half the people have several leveled chars or mules. I can not prove you wrong either though, but neither can you me.

It's SE's fault for aiming so low in the first place. If they expect 100k, and get 250k, I think it's a success no matter how you look at it.  

ATM not interested, it looks like a graphical update of FFXI (I swear I even saw a Galka at the end). I would have hoped they would at least change the setting to something more steampunk to match it with what design styles that have been used in FInal Fantasy since VI.

also,we'r talking about successful here. successful and profitable are not the same. e.x WAR is not successful,more like the contrary, but im sure it still is profitable. and FFXIV will be profitable,i dont have the smallest trace of doubt about it

I'm sure WAR wanted to aim higher, as well as Age of Conan, but they didn't succeed. SE aimed lower and got what they wanted. In the case of WAR and AoC though, they did several things wrong IMO. They released info too early, had to delay things and couldn't keep all of their promises. Also all the delays caused the hype to become too big.. Just 1 year to release means that the game is quite finished by this point (after 5 years of developing), so no delays. I only wish that it won't be as unpolished as other MMO's that come out, but we'll see about that.

Cant wait now! I remember when i was still too young to get into FFXI because i didnt have a credit card etc and when i tried it, i personally felt it was a bit outdated (for the PC anyway) and i think now with the technology that we have and the capabilities of the PS3/PC nowadays this is going to be huge.

I will for sure to have a look, cant wait till we get info regarding when it is, story, gameplay etc etc etc etc!!! lol.

So what will happen to FFXI? Will FFXIV be that different and aim at a different market so they can still have FFXI? or will they not really "close" FFXI but slowly gain the population from FFXI to FFXIV.

Saying that, this will drive PS3 sales even further, also it being on PC - i will decide when we all get more detail on how the mechanics will work. I never really enjoyed MMOs on consoles (but that might change).

Also, i reckon after the PS3/PC release, a 360 game will be in production aswell i reckon to satisfy all members of the community.

With a 2010 release they must of been working on it for quite some time (this the rapture rumor that has been around for a long time? i dunno?)

I say end of 2010 - providing everything goes according to plan - we have seen developers delay releases of their MMOs (champions online) - what i dont mind because i will have PLENTY of games to keep me busy till then - heres a list of games i will be keeping myself busy with.

Starcraft 2
FF13
FF13 vs
Diablo 3? (Prob end of 2010)
Champions Online
SWTOR? (prob end of 2010 - will be a huge battle if those two mmos came out a the same time...might have to play both!)
and more

So i can wait and even though we KNOW its coming, i will not try and get into the hype...TRYY!!!!!! lol so things will be cool.

I LOVE E3!! "sheds a tear" I LOVE YOU ALL!!! 

Originally posted by xenoclix

With a 2010 release they must of been working on it for quite some time (this the rapture rumor that has been around for a long time? i dunno?)

Since 2005 afaik. They haven't leaked out Any info about it though, even when asked multiple times haha.

Funny thing is, I downloaded the HD models of Windurst mog house like a week ago, thinking how beautiful the game would be with upgraded graphics like in my moggy.. but knew that it'd be too much work to do to upgrade the whole game to be like that. Now it doesn't matter though, FFXIV is just what I needed!

For me now that FF14 has been announced no MMO will quench my thirst.  I think I will just overhype it and wait patiently while constructing a FF online shrine and gaming room that if my wife saw would cause a hasty divorce.

(.. Diablo 3 may calm me down a bit..)

Just Give me Bards, Dancers, Scholars and Puppetmasters and im all set for FFXIV!!!

I'm a Xbox360/Wii/PC owner, but long live to playstation for showing us this on their conference! XD

I am wary. Has there ever been an MMOG sequal that surpassed the first one?

AC versus AC2

EQ versus EQ2

DAOC versus WAR (not really a sequal but close enough)

As with any big announcement, I'll ignore any and all hype until I've played the game.

 As long as we see INNOVATION in this game I'm all up for it. Please stay far away from "asian grinders" and wow-clone type of games.

Um are gameplay details actually released anywhere?

Because I'm confused at how our forum of grumpy-faced MMO-critics can turn into starry-eyed fanboys over a trailer which is just a typical CG FF intro (which means it's good, but shows no gameplay.)

Originally posted by Axehilt

Um are gameplay details actually released anywhere?

Because I'm confused at how our forum of grumpy-faced MMO-critics can turn into starry-eyed fanboys over a trailer which is just a typical CG FF intro (which means it's good, but shows no gameplay.)

Well not everyone is, there is even a subscriber percentage debate and what makes an mmo susccessful debate in the last two pages (no mmo thread can be whithout one you know...)

Originally posted by Cynthe

Originally posted by singsofdeath

 You people do realize that it will be PS3 exclusive (at launch at least), right? 

 

You do realize this only means for consoles right? It will be on the PC absolutely.

They are also saying this will be a world wide release in 2010, the first ever in mmo history if they can pull it off. (as far as I know)

didn't they do the same thing with FFXI ? released it for PS2 as well as PC...

Originally posted by Axehilt

Um are gameplay details actually released anywhere?

Because I'm confused at how our forum of grumpy-faced MMO-critics can turn into starry-eyed fanboys over a trailer which is just a typical CG FF intro (which means it's good, but shows no gameplay.)

With the massive similarities to how FFXI works, and plays like from the trailer.  4 of the 5 races were present and a CG battle similar to how FFXI plays was shown with of course massive improvements.  The Galka is more trimmed and overall proportioned better instead of having a massive chest and stubby little chicken legs and of course no tail anymore.{which tells me this is future Vana'diel, new continent or just changed over time!}  Tarutaru not shown, but they are in the title graphics, Mithra are there, Elvan, and of course Humes don't appear to have changed much if any.  I'm very excited for this...

All us rabid FFXI fanbois are assuming its going to be more along the lines of the current FFXI with all the good things we loved; heavily improved, and all the not so good things either removed or updated so they are good.  Its very obvious that this is either in an entirely new world, IMO a future version of Vana'diel{considering the evolution of the Galka} or another series of continents on the other side of the FFXI Vana'diel!

Personally I think its future Vana'diel!  The Crystal War; past and present conflicts from are finally resolved, a millennia or more have passed, and everything has changed!

Yeah, if it didn't look like FFXI I  doubt most of us FFXI fanboys were this excited. But from what it LOOKS LIKE, we're getting an enhanced FFXI after all!

I hope there will be another summoning class... that's what I'm excited for!

It looks like on the main NA website there is a WHM in the crowd... but it might just be me...

Ok, so a day has gone by.  I have time to reflect on what a rabid fanboi I became after this news, and I've come to this conclusion: I'm pulling a Cartman too and freezing myself.  I still can't wait.