Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by javac

people say that all the time about EVE too.

 

if you "run out of things to do" or "get bored" in DF or EVE then you need to just accept that sandbox MMOs are not for you.

 

like EVE, there is a certain amount of time and experience you have to get past before the game really grabs you.

 

if you play DF like a linear themepark MMO and just do quests, farm mobs and the occasional bit of PVP, then yeah you may well get bored in a few weeks. the real "hook" is getting into the local/world politics and/or playing out a character role (mercenary, thief, ranger, etc).

yet again, someone comparing eve, to this joke of a game.

DO NOT COMPARE EVE TO THIS GAME - EVER - FOR ANY REASON.

in eve, there's a ton of stuff to do.  in darkfall, there's just more grind to macro thru.

npcs -- in df, you bug them, get where they can't hit you, or otherwise exploit the mobs.

construction in df - pretty much a joke.  you grind for assloads of building modules and build up the predesigned cities.

quests - what? 5 or 10 quests?  yeah, df has no pve worth mentioning.

 

don't compare this joke of a game to eve - EVER.   all of the above... darkfall is pre-school.  by comparison - eve online is sophmore in college.

 

LOL, EVE and DF are almost the same in terms of content - EVE just has more carebear-oriented content.

 

- small handful of quests in both EVE and DF

- EVE has different ships, DF has different weapons, skills and spells.

- DF mining is just as boring as EVE mining.

- DF has a lot more varied terrain that actually affects the outcome of battles, EVE is always just space.

- construction in EVE and DF is very similar; DF does not have jump gates and cynojammers, EVE's POSs are not as elaborate as DF's cities.

- DF's mobs blow EVE's away; EVE's mobs are braindead stupid. apocrypha added sleepers that are about equivalent to DF's hard mobs but that's only recent; 5 years after release. not to mention auto-aiming and auto-targeting == sad.

- EVE has research-invention, which is a bit like DF's enchantment.

- you could easily argue hauling is a huge timesink/grind in EVE, which DF doesn't have.

- DF has nothing like EVE's market stuff, yet.

 

and the best one: grind. lol. in EVE you have to time-grind your char for 12+ months just to get enough basic skills to even compete in PVP, and even then you'll ALWAYS be worse off than 90% of the game who have 20+ mill skillpoints more than you. in DF, you can be equal to 90% of the server in 2 months of regular playing, no grinding.

 

i realise you're an EVE fanboi, but at least try to be objective. i too play EVE and i like it, but saying EVE is OMG SO MUCH BETTER THAN DF is just wrong. EVE and DF are both excellent games and very comparable as sandboxes.

 

 

 

Excellent post!

Darkfall for me:

Best game in the world, and the worst game in the world. 75% of the game is learning, not just the mechanics, but the people. As you learn, you start being able to avoid the worse parts more, and spend more time in the best parts. The worst parts are really fucking bad. But, they only make the best parts really, really good. What other game out there damn near gives you a heart attack when you see your shadow? That's what gaming is all about. for me anyway. Not just a game that scares you, but one that is actually able to pull "real" feelings out of you. Fuck yeah!

 Just like there a horror movies that scare you, and comedies that make you laugh. Darkfall is a game for people who like to experience it all, rather than a game that tries and cut all negatives from it...which ends up leaving you numb most of the time.

 Don't get me wrong though. The bad parts..are bad. There's many times i say, "this is just stupid". Many times ive said, "fuck this game". But, everytime I log on the next day. We spend 20 minutes to an hour telling stories from the previous night. Most of them we end up dead, but we laugh and cry our asses off. Every night is the beginning of a story. Thats why I play this game atm.

Originally posted by javac  

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by javac

people say that all the time about EVE too.

 

if you "run out of things to do" or "get bored" in DF or EVE then you need to just accept that sandbox MMOs are not for you.

 

like EVE, there is a certain amount of time and experience you have to get past before the game really grabs you.

 

if you play DF like a linear themepark MMO and just do quests, farm mobs and the occasional bit of PVP, then yeah you may well get bored in a few weeks. the real "hook" is getting into the local/world politics and/or playing out a character role (mercenary, thief, ranger, etc).

yet again, someone comparing eve, to this joke of a game.

DO NOT COMPARE EVE TO THIS GAME - EVER - FOR ANY REASON.

in eve, there's a ton of stuff to do.  in darkfall, there's just more grind to macro thru.

npcs -- in df, you bug them, get where they can't hit you, or otherwise exploit the mobs.

construction in df - pretty much a joke.  you grind for assloads of building modules and build up the predesigned cities.

quests - what? 5 or 10 quests?  yeah, df has no pve worth mentioning.

 

don't compare this joke of a game to eve - EVER.   all of the above... darkfall is pre-school.  by comparison - eve online is sophmore in college.

 

- EVE has different ships, DF has different weapons, skills and spells, plus ships, vehicles.

Do you never tire of spewing bold-faced lies, javac?

Eve is *far* more than just "different ships". 

Each ship has a number of fittings into which a player can install a variety of equipment... turrets, electronic warfare equip, hull and armor enhancements, propulsion addons, shields... and so on. Players can equip any ship in Eve specifically to their playstyle/specification for that ship. They can swap things out and change the setup as necessary; any single ship can have myriad different configurations.

There are Implants which allow a player to further enhance/fine-tune their character.

And of course, the many skills a player can choose to train their character for even more customization.

Citing skills, spells, etc. etc. in DF while only saying Eve has "different ships", leaving everything else out, is about as intellectually dishonest as you can get... especially from someone claiming to play both games. But then, I guess considering the source, it shouldn't surprise me.

If you're going to talk crap, javac, at least do it about a game that doesn't have a wealth of information readily available, or a large number of players capable of pointing out just how full of it you are.

- DF mining is just as boring as EVE mining.

Opinion.

- DF has a lot more varied terrain that actually affects the outcome of battles, EVE is always just space.

Yes, because everyone knows that there should be forests and mountains and lakes and rivers in outer space. Duh.

That's about as sensible an argument as saying "Cars are better than motorcycles because cars have 4 wheels and motorcycles only have 2".

DF is a terrestrial fantasy MMO...  thus it takes place across varying landscapes. Eve is a space-sim... thus it takes place in... you guessed it... outer space. Gee, what a concept!

and the best one: grind. lol. in EVE you have to time-grind your char for 12+ months just to get enough basic skills to even compete in PVP, and even then you'll ALWAYS be worse off than 90% of the game who have 20+ mill skillpoints more than you. in DF, you can be equal to 90% of the server in 2 months of regular playing, no grinding.

BS. It's been discussed and demonstrated by many players on the official Eve forums, and here, that within a few weeks, you can be equipped well enough to participate effectively in PvP. It does not take 12+ months. You're talking  crap here.

 i realise you're an EVE fanboi, but at least try to be objective. i too play EVE and i like it, but saying EVE is OMG SO MUCH BETTER THAN DF is just wrong. EVE and DF are both excellent games and very comparable as sandboxes.

You calling anyone a fanboi of another game is the height of irony. Telling them to "try to be objective" is icing.

 

Originally posted by Synthetick

.......I spent the better part of lastnight in, and a little this morning. Nowhere near enough time to try to formulate an opinion that's set in stone, or try to offer a review. But it is enough time for me to state that people are entirely too critical of the game on too many levels......
 

Seriously, why even post a thread. Wait a week atleast. Alot of games look awesome in the first few hours or days, before the smoke fades and your left looking at the mirror and a reflection of your empty wallet.

[Mod Edit]

The OP is basically an assessment, not a review. He barely played much, but he quotes a lot of "observations", which does not make sense for a pretensious new player with only a few hours in.

Even for that, all I read is the same old story. DF in the eyes of the beholders, is a game for ffa pvp. So that is it. You pay a huge price, more than the best MMO out there, to buy a big empty map for pvping. If that is what you want, sure, pull $50 out of your wallet .. err CC, and be sure you only got billed once, not multiple 50s.

Originally posted by Orthedos

The OP is basically an assessment, not a review. He barely played much, but he quotes a lot of "observations", which does not make sense for a pretensious new player with only a few hours in.

Even for that, all I read is the same old story. DF in the eyes of the beholders, is a game for ffa pvp. So that is it. You pay a huge price, more than the best MMO out there, to buy a big empty map for pvping. If that is what you want, sure, pull $50 out of your wallet .. err CC, and be sure you only got billed once, not multiple 50s.

You're 100% correct in stating that my OP was an assessment and not a review, but, anyone could make an observation the moment they log into the game world about anything; the UI, character models, whatever. I don't understand what kind of person could spent 15+ hours doing something, or being somewhere, and not make any observations. 

Am I really supposed to install the game and run around while not taking anything in, disregarding my experience because hey, i'm a pretentious new player with only a few hours in, so whatever I'm doing now must be completely different once I put FOURTY-EIGHT hours in, right? Right. And I didn't quote a lot of observations, I stated my own. But I didn't really touch on the actual gameplay or anything, just the cosemetic stuff I noticed upon logging in. My credibility must of went out the window when I did that.

/takes notes.

Originally posted by mutombo55

Originally posted by Synthetick

.......I spent the better part of lastnight in, and a little this morning. Nowhere near enough time to try to formulate an opinion that's set in stone, or try to offer a review. But it is enough time for me to state that people are entirely too critical of the game on too many levels......
 

Seriously, why even post a thread. Wait a week atleast. Alot of games look awesome in the first few hours or days, before the smoke fades and your left looking at the mirror and a reflection of your empty wallet.

 

If my wallet would be empty after spending $50 on a video game, Houston, we would have some problems. Thankfully $50 is how much I would spend on liquor, or other things I really enjoy, in one night. So I think it's safe to say that Darkfall is not a budget killer. However, I've realized that it doesn't take me a week to tell you if I enjoy a game or not. If I can't get into the basics, I won't get into the endgame or anyother timesinks, and most of the time they get the basics wrong, they got the end-game wrong, too. 

I haven't played DF and at this point, not even interested. As for the OP's opening statement, well, I could probably have as much enthusiasm about any game I just played for the first time as well. That's the problem it seems, as we veterans move from one MMO to the next. We enjoy that fresh car smell and than soon realize a year, or even less, later that it's just another MMO.

I've read reviews, both good and bad and no matter how good DF may be, it has some fundemental flaws. Persistant MMO's, specifically PvP games, require a stable server. DF has been anything but stable with people losing mounts, ships and all sorts of time invested due to server crashes and even shutdowns. That alone is enough to make a veteran cry. It doesn't end there as we recently heard one shutdown caused an entire siege to be turned completely upside down, in what everyone is claiming an AV debacle.

Than we have the whole forum moderation issue. I'm not talking about Mods consolidating copycat threads, but the deletion of anything negative about the game. I don't believe in the philosophy that what the customers don't know or read, won't hurt them. AV already had a piss poor track record with their development, lying about betas 2-3 times over the course of 6 years.

Is DF in itself a bad game? I have no clue, but the point is, AV is not a great company. In fact, they compare to Funcom at this point and both Anarchy Online and Age of Conan both lost customers due to lack of customer care. It's truely up to AV if they want DF to succeed and this point in time, any PvP MMO that has even 1 person cheating / hacking = imbalance issues.

Originally posted by Synthetick

 Most of the individuals I have came in contact with are fairly helpful and conduct themself in a pretty mature fashion.
 

Let me guess you didn't role a human? which race did you pick.

its just most the people complaining about ingame community or rampant ganking seem to at least mostly have rolled humans. I haven't actually played a human myself but its definately the most popular.

anyway good write up. I agree with the roots remark, it feels good to play a new game that feels so much like my first mmo.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

DF has been anything but stable with people losing mounts, ships and all sorts of time invested due to server crashes and even shutdowns. 

Just people you've read complaints on forums doesn't mean you know for a fact what the server stability is like. you'd have to play the game for yourself. I read complaints about most game servers such as WAR, AoC etc. Darkfalls is probably the most stable than those mentioned from my own experiences, especially when all are compared at launch.

Originally posted by sanedor

Well i am happy you found something to keep you happy until Aion cames to NA, but reading your post history you seam to bounce around alot. this is a good 1

 

I urge everyone, even those of you who have not heard of the game, to check it out. JUST went into Open Beta and need your support! Real time combat system, actively dodge and aim attacks, house vs. house PVP, and a beautiful world and solid, original classes. This is not your typical fantasy MMO -- a very unique and inspired setting as well as entirely skill-based PVP. No more gear being the deciding factor. Check it out now!

http://spellborn.acclaim.com/splanding.html

 

 

 This is all well and good but is 2 weeks this''

Really, the bottom line is the game just isn't as innovative as I thought it was going to be or hoped it was going to be. The first few levels are really interesting the first time ingame if you try dodging, but after that, it's pretty much just a pattern for dodging mobs, making it just another skill-smasher. It works well, but is it original? No, it is basically a rotating Guild Wars skilldeck, which is a good idea, I like the skill-deck, but the "real-time" combat is just another form of button smashing.

Good game? Sure, but it's basically the same as any other game on the market minus a lot of the polish. After playing the Aion COB and feeling what it's like to play a polished game again, Spellborn has a long way to go. Infinite potential, but it's just not there yet. I still log on and deliver things, kill 5 of this for him, 2 of that for her, collect 16 of these for both of them, and then run back and forth delivering messages for another 30 minutes. Plus, there's just an overwhelming amount of pure run quests in Quarterstone.

The game probably would of been more enjoyable, too, if every named mob (Vaults included) wasn't bugged. But the Vaults are supposed to be big chunks of the story line, the fun things to do, and every one I experienced was either completely bugged to the point it just wasn't fun trying to figure out how to manipulate pathing, the NPC not helping me, or certain mobs doing crazy damage out of nowhere.

Not worth paying for yet, really. Glad everyone is still enjoying it, tho.

 

And around the sametime you post how bored you are looking to play DAoC

 

Well, I got pretty bored with the genre in general and really haven't been playing much lately. Tried a few games out here and there for a few hours for a few days, but nothing really caught my eye. Started thinking about trying some of the older titles I got into but really the only one that looked appealing to me anymore was Asheron's Call and I couldn't connect due to my router not agreeing with their servers or something, forgot exactly what they told me.

Anyways, never played DAoC but I had a lot of friends that did. I tried WAR out and RvR was fun, repetive on that title, but fun. Everyone kept talking about DAoC tho and since I'm sitting here at 1am I decided I might try it, and came here. Anyways, to my question.

 

Then a few days later you end up thinking about EVE online and then end up in Aion beta , which you seem to really like. i am happy your having fun after a few hours but with your record of changing so fast maybe you should play more before you post ..

Not to through this off-topic, but I'd love for you to meet me in-game and think button smashing will work for you. I say this because you don't even have to use buttons to attack. I've also never experienced one bug in the vaults minus vault 2 and it's NPC not helping out, which is rather pointless because the boss is cake to kill and I am a rogue class at that.

Back on topic though, I'm glad you enjoy this game. In due time Darkfall will get better it seems, most games do. If your willing to, stick in there and don't read the forums. Some people here seem to think that since a game has flaws, you should hate it, and will jump on every remark you say. Even ones liek comparing it to a dated game, which is just how people perceive things. Have fun and good luck!

Originally posted by Consensus

Originally posted by Synthetick

 Most of the individuals I have came in contact with are fairly helpful and conduct themself in a pretty mature fashion.
 

Let me guess you didn't role a human? which race did you pick.

Actually rolled Mahirim.

Of course the game seems decent, you've played it for what seems like less than 8 hour

Just wait until a month or so and see how excited you are by the vertical slash, gathering resources, skilling magic and the dozens of other boring monotonus tasks that you must engage in.

Originally posted by Nihilist

Of course the game seems decent, you've played it for what seems like less than 8 hour

 

Just wait until a month or so and see how excited you are by the vertical slash, gathering resources, skilling magic and the dozens of other boring monotonus tasks that you must engage in.

 

So far, every title I've played is full of monotonus timesinks, some games are just better at masking them and calling them something else than others, but when it boils down to it, that's what it is. Gathering in Darkfall so far has to be one of the most mind-numbing processes because of how long you can use a node and the amount of fails, thank God it's an automated process, tho, and I can watch TV, read, or do whatever when I go on a gathering session.

I've dumped in over 25 hours so far, it still isn't much, but I have learned, and become accustomed to a little bit more of what Darkfall is. I still couldn't tell you how much I'm enjoying it, if I'll continue to play until the end of the free month, or what have you, but I haven't wanted to /wrist yet, so it's not all completely horrible and bad and smelly and yucky. And yes, I know, I know, just wait until I play for another week or so before I make up my mind, and if you read every post I've done on this thread, that's exactly what I'm doing.

Some highlights of my day included watching the mounted and shiny armored guys slay eachother all around my poor little Goblin camps, and me looting them and stocking completely up on shiny armors and weapons. That made up for my three hours of chopping wood, molesting these little bushes with my sickle, and running everywhere trying to find an Iron node that wasn't tapped. I didn't like the train of 4 fellow miners that followed me from metal node to metal node, tho. 

Joined Blood and have been seeing tons of familiar names from my AC days. Tired of the noobie outposts, really want to head out to one of the guild towns or whatever, not sure if my sexy little Kitty/Doggy (whatever he is) man is ready, tho. Hmmmm.

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by Nihilist

Of course the game seems decent, you've played it for what seems like less than 8 hour

 

Just wait until a month or so and see how excited you are by the vertical slash, gathering resources, skilling magic and the dozens of other boring monotonus tasks that you must engage in.

 

So far, every title I've played is full of monotonus timesinks, some games are just better at masking them and calling them something else than others, but when it boils down to it, that's what it is. Gathering in Darkfall so far has to be one of the most mind-numbing processes because of how long you can use a node and the amount of fails, thank God it's an automated process, tho, and I can watch TV, read, or do whatever when I go on a gathering session.

I've dumped in over 25 hours so far, it still isn't much, but I have learned, and become accustomed to a little bit more of what Darkfall is. I still couldn't tell you how much I'm enjoying it, if I'll continue to play until the end of the free month, or what have you, but I haven't wanted to /wrist yet, so it's not all completely horrible and bad. And yes, I know, I know, just wait until I play for another week or so before I make up my mind, and if you read every post I've done on this thread, that's exactly what I'm doing.

Some highlights of my day included watching the mounted and shiny armored guys slay eachother all around my poor little Goblin camps, and me looting them and stocking completely up on shiny armors and weapons. That made up for my three hours of chopping wood, molesting these little bushes with my sickle, and running everywhere trying to find an Iron node that wasn't tapped. I didn't like the train of 4 fellow miners that followed me from metal node to metal node, tho. 

Joined Blood and have been seeing tons of familiar names from my AC days. Tired of the noobie outposts, really want to head out to one of the guild towns or whatever, not sure if my sexy little Kitty/Doggy (whatever he is) man is ready, tho. Hmmmm.

Well Blood is finally up for some fighting, after what 3 months of farming and building their defences.

The fight versus the goons should be pretty sweet.

Originally posted by dark-merlin

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by Nihilist

Of course the game seems decent, you've played it for what seems like less than 8 hour

 

Just wait until a month or so and see how excited you are by the vertical slash, gathering resources, skilling magic and the dozens of other boring monotonus tasks that you must engage in.

 

So far, every title I've played is full of monotonus timesinks, some games are just better at masking them and calling them something else than others, but when it boils down to it, that's what it is. Gathering in Darkfall so far has to be one of the most mind-numbing processes because of how long you can use a node and the amount of fails, thank God it's an automated process, tho, and I can watch TV, read, or do whatever when I go on a gathering session.

I've dumped in over 25 hours so far, it still isn't much, but I have learned, and become accustomed to a little bit more of what Darkfall is. I still couldn't tell you how much I'm enjoying it, if I'll continue to play until the end of the free month, or what have you, but I haven't wanted to /wrist yet, so it's not all completely horrible and bad. And yes, I know, I know, just wait until I play for another week or so before I make up my mind, and if you read every post I've done on this thread, that's exactly what I'm doing.

Some highlights of my day included watching the mounted and shiny armored guys slay eachother all around my poor little Goblin camps, and me looting them and stocking completely up on shiny armors and weapons. That made up for my three hours of chopping wood, molesting these little bushes with my sickle, and running everywhere trying to find an Iron node that wasn't tapped. I didn't like the train of 4 fellow miners that followed me from metal node to metal node, tho. 

Joined Blood and have been seeing tons of familiar names from my AC days. Tired of the noobie outposts, really want to head out to one of the guild towns or whatever, not sure if my sexy little Kitty/Doggy (whatever he is) man is ready, tho. Hmmmm.

 

 

Well Blood is finally up for some fighting, after what 3 months of farming and building their defences.

 

The fight versus the goons should be pretty sweet.

Yeah, seemed like I joined at quite the interesting time as far as all that is concerned. Too bad I'm too scrubby to be of any use.

Well, a little update, not that anyone will really care. But, so far, still have been enjoying my time in the game. Joining a larger clan opened up a lot of the game for me. 

I have yet to run into anyone who hacks. I see people macroing all the time, but that's not really much of a culture shock, and most of the people in the guild city doing it are attended during the day, tho at night I believe that scenario changes quite a bit, haha. Haven't seen anyone actually exploiting yet, however I've heard the complaints about a number of them. But regardless, their macroing doesn't effect my gameplay, just like on oldschool AC. As long as it was attended, I couldn't care less. The exploiters/hackers have stayed clear of me so far, so I can't complain about something I haven't experienced.

I've managed to get my melee up to around 45ish, archery and some of the magic to around 45ish as well. Nothing spectacular, but I have been finding myself able to participate in more PVP and not get completely demolished by arrows and magic. The patch yesterday I support, tho I haven't been in the game much, it didn't bother me, and the change is welcome. Plus, the increase on the magic gains are amazing compared to what they were.

So far I haven't really had any bad experience, at all, which is pretty surprising to me. Aside from the sound bugs yesterday after the patch for a short period of time, everything has seemed really smooth, and still remains solid to me. Of course there's some things I don't like, that's a given, but in my experience the good has outweighed the bad so far. The game is extremely playable, and plays at a pace I'm comfortable with.

I still am unsure if I'll stay or not. I'm not praising Darkfall as the greatest MMO of all time. But it has been enjoyable to me, so far. It's more than what I expected, for sure. Guess we'll see how the rest of the month goes.

mahirim, well the main difference is its not human.

cool glad your enjoying it. :)

Originally posted by Consensus

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

DF has been anything but stable with people losing mounts, ships and all sorts of time invested due to server crashes and even shutdowns. 

Just people you've read complaints on forums doesn't mean you know for a fact what the server stability is like. you'd have to play the game for yourself. I read complaints about most game servers such as WAR, AoC etc. Darkfalls is probably the most stable than those mentioned from my own experiences, especially when all are compared at launch.

So you are asking me to trust you, or trust the thousands of people complaining about DF servers in every site, including DF site.  I think I know which side looks more trustworthy.

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

Darkfall for me:

Best game in the world, and the worst game in the world. 75% of the game is learning, not just the mechanics, but the people. As you learn, you start being able to avoid the worse parts more, and spend more time in the best parts. The worst parts are really fucking bad. But, they only make the best parts really, really good. What other game out there damn near gives you a heart attack when you see your shadow? That's what gaming is all about. for me anyway. Not just a game that scares you, but one that is actually able to pull "real" feelings out of you. Fuck yeah!

 Just like there a horror movies that scare you, and comedies that make you laugh. Darkfall is a game for people who like to experience it all, rather than a game that tries and cut all negatives from it...which ends up leaving you numb most of the time.

 Don't get me wrong though. The bad parts..are bad. There's many times i say, "this is just stupid". Many times ive said, "fuck this game". But, everytime I log on the next day. We spend 20 minutes to an hour telling stories from the previous night. Most of them we end up dead, but we laugh and cry our asses off. Every night is the beginning of a story. Thats why I play this game atm.

How does playing Darkfall scare you..?  And what does "Experience it all"...  mean?

Have you ever played any other online FPS games.. ever? Just curious, as to why you feel no other game can bring your friends together..?