Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Ichmen

honestly tho, DF fans caused most of the hate for DF by insinuating anyone who doesnt play/like DF is a carebear and plays WoW, wither or not its the case.  if you throw rocks at people they throw back, its the way of the human psycy...

 

but they *are* carebears who play WOW. Checkout the post history of people who hate on Darkfall. they are almost always WAR or WOW fanbois who came to DF because they were sick of the dullness of WOW/WAR and then couldn't hack it. the ones who aren't WOW/WAR fanbois are "career DF haters".

 

any normal person who finds they don't like DF would just leave, and go play some other game. people who continue to hang around DF long after they first post they don't like DF are haters, who mainly hate because they're grade 1A carebears & cowards, and this is their way of "getting back" at the big bad mean players who kicked their butts in game. true story.

 

why do you think some of "us fans" hang out here? for the RL lolz of reading emo-driven DF hate from carebears. it's delicious.

Ah yes, the typical DF fan response to all who criticize or don't like the game.  Its because people aren't hardcore enough for DF.  Is that it? 

The only "emo driven" responses around here come from DF fans.  Like I've said before, for a group of people who claim to be the hardest of the hardcore, DF fans whine and cry more than any others.  Which shouldn't be surprising, since they have the shining example of their God King Tasos to follow.

Originally posted by Mister_Bit

Originally posted by Fibsdk

Originally posted by Xemous

The only reason i defend it is so that someone who might actually ENJOY the game doesnt get led astray by people wanting to see themselves type.

 

 

Potential buyers needs to hear all sides not just the fanbois that absolutely love the game. The notion that people should just throw down 50 bucks for a game to find out for themselves is idiotic. I always do research before buying games something and I'm quite able to distinguish between a forum troll or valid complaints as i suspect anyone with an average intelligence can.

 

The only way to see if you like something is to try it, no one's opinion, no matter how much research you do will change that.

Ok, so it didn't deliver everything it promised but that doesn't stop it being enjoyable in the state it is now (for some people)

I appreciate you feel cheated and that sux.

And this isn't aimed at you but just deliver the facts as you see them and move on, a lot of people seem to pour raw venom into their hate of this game.

I really think it's the other way arround with the venom. Also do you like the taste of turds? If your answer is no, have you ever tried one? That argument is not applicible to this game.
 

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I would like to know when any criticism became hateing. Who is the ignorant one in this situation?

 

Granted, there are tons that simply "hate", but really any critisism, oh, excuse me, its really "differing point of view than a fan" seems to equial trolling/hater.

even if you are talking about how clunky the UI is, somthing that isn't opinion. Its an observation.

None of us "fans" have any real problem with informed criticism. On the official forums, I contribute it often.

the DF UI being clunky is just an opinion like everything else. i do not find it clunky at all - it's perfectly suited to a FPS-based MMO.

The flipside: fans describing the good things they like about the game get labelled as fanbois, shills, liars, etc. thing is, this is the DARKFALL forums - you have to expect fans are going to be here, whereas you have career haters who do nothing else but hang around here and hate on DF. There's a difference.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

I really think it's the other way arround with the venom. Also do you like the taste of turds? If your answer is no, have you ever tried one? That argument is not applicible to this game.

for us DF players, the turd here is WOW and its generation of dumbed-down repetitive gameplay that WOW/WAR/AoC/LOTRO fanbois like to call "content".

Sometimes people post 'hate' in hopes of actually finding some answers in the responses of those defending the games.   Sometimes people buy the game and try it and get frustrated, then come to the forums and post while they are still mad... and they vent.

The best thing a DF fan can do is keep their calm and respond to those types of posts with information... in a friendly manner.  Afterall, you aren't trying to shrink your playerbase, are you? 

And yes, sometimes people are just spitting venom to spit venom and perhaps just get people angry.  Trolls.

Is it theraputic?  I don't know about that.  I think it's just entertainment for them. 

If you don't like it then leave, noone is making you read threads.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

If you don't like it then leave, noone is making you read threads.

Agreed

The funny thing is the people on the oppisite ends of the discussion are essentially the same, "Fanboys" love reading "Troll" posts just as much as "trolls" love reading "fanboys". If they didnt they would never open threads, or make threads like this to fuel each other.  No one makes fanboys open obvious troll posts and vice versa so why do they do it? because oppisites attrack.

Originally posted by grunt187

short answer to OP "Yes"

Well, the question for a guy that favors and plays World of Warcract consistently, may not be best, but for anyone else not favoring the player-centric and more player-influenced environment  of Darkfall, where else can that type of game be found that is doing it better, where I may test-drive.  I tried EvE and wasnt into being a space-ship.

Yes...Then after the bashing I touch certain parts of my body while thinking it over again...You know...Like I touch my foot..or itch my ear..Perverts. =)

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Originally posted by Mister_Bit

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Originally posted by Fibsdk

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Originally posted by Xemous

The only reason i defend it is so that someone who might actually ENJOY the game doesnt get led astray by people wanting to see themselves type.
 

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Potential buyers needs to hear all sides not just the fanbois that absolutely love the game. The notion that people should just throw down 50 bucks for a game to find out for themselves is idiotic. I always do research before buying games something and I'm quite able to distinguish between a forum troll or valid complaints as i suspect anyone with an average intelligence can.

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The only way to see if you like something is to try it, no one's opinion, no matter how much research you do will change that.
Ok, so it didn't deliver everything it promised but that doesn't stop it being enjoyable in the state it is now (for some people)
I appreciate you feel cheated and that sux.
And this isn't aimed at you but just deliver the facts as you see them and move on, a lot of people seem to pour raw venom into their hate of this game.

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Your first sentence is total bullshit.  After research, no matter how detailed, you still have to do it?  After the general send out his scouts to survey the road ahead and got a report that it is mined by a million explosives, the general still need to send in his armored division and see for himself?
At least the general should be sending in the mine sweepers.
In the same corollary, if I know DF stinks, at least I would wait for a free trial b4 shoring up my cash.  Pay for it?  Not in a million years.

Originally posted by Xemous 

Typical darkfall hater.  Cant distinguish the difference between a real critic and a passioned hater because hes in denail of what he really is.

Didnt even read my posts when i thouroughly explained the difference between the two.  Tunnel vision much?

Are you actually suggesting that your silly little definition is better than a dictionary site? Someone's full of themselves, and it's not me.

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Originally posted by Devour

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Originally posted by Xemous 
Typical darkfall hater.  Cant distinguish the difference between a real critic and a passioned hater because hes in denail of what he really is.
Didnt even read my posts when i thouroughly explained the difference between the two.  Tunnel vision much?

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Are you actually suggesting that your silly little definition is better than a dictionary site? Someone's full of themselves, and it's not me.

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What else do you expect from them devour.
They cannot defend the game using the game itself, which is hopeless.  So they resort to words of game.  After all, DF is playing online here, not in game.

Do people that dislike DF get some theraputic satisfaction from bashing it?

Fuck yes

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Originally posted by javac

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Originally posted by shalldoom

TBH i enjoy reading hate and bashing posts about DF as i payed 50$ for this game to find that its a pile of crap....

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Yeah that's what i said about Warhammer, AoC, and every WOW expansion. DF has delivered more fun/quality gameplay than all those put together.

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Originally posted by javac
.... dumbed-down repetitive gameplay .....".

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Best description of Darkfall i saw on this thread

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Originally posted by javac

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Originally posted by oddjobs74

I really think it's the other way arround with the venom. Also do you like the taste of turds? If your answer is no, have you ever tried one? That argument is not applicible to this game.

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for us DF players, the turd here is WOW and its generation of dumbed-down repetitive gameplay that WOW/WAR/AoC/LOTRO fanbois like to call "content".

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Perhaps you are the one is not capable of play a complex game, with many options to do, so you instead play Darkfall, in which you only need to run around naked spamming leftclicks, and that is good because it dont force you to think

I think posting on forums and reading them is sort of theurepuetic, like watching TV or reading a book, it can be relaxing, and provide some escapism. But bashing Darkfall doesn't do that any better or worse than posting about most general topics on MMORPG.com.

Originally posted by Devour

Originally posted by Xemous 

Typical darkfall hater.  Cant distinguish the difference between a real critic and a passioned hater because hes in denail of what he really is.

Didnt even read my posts when i thouroughly explained the difference between the two.  Tunnel vision much?

 

Are you actually suggesting that your silly little definition is better than a dictionary site? Someone's full of themselves, and it's not me.

pornography - : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement

Jee that sounds like every advertisement on tv

You see how definitions can be interpruted in many ways? You just wont admit the fact that your not a real critic and just a troll because you post DF hate all the time

Originally posted by Xemous

Originally posted by Devour

Originally posted by Xemous 

Typical darkfall hater.  Cant distinguish the difference between a real critic and a passioned hater because hes in denail of what he really is.

Didnt even read my posts when i thouroughly explained the difference between the two.  Tunnel vision much?

 

Are you actually suggesting that your silly little definition is better than a dictionary site? Someone's full of themselves, and it's not me.

pornography - : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement

Jee that sounds like every advertisement on tv

You see how definitions can be interpruted in many ways? You just wont admit the fact that your not a real critic and just a troll because you post DF hate all the time

If you're hating on "haters" aren't you a hater? If you are trolling trolls, aren't you a troll too?

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

I would like to know when any criticism became hateing. Who is the ignorant one in this situation?

 

Granted, there are tons that simply "hate", but really any critisism, oh, excuse me, its really "differing point of view than a fan" seems to equial trolling/hater.

even if you are talking about how clunky the UI is, somthing that isn't opinion. Its an observation.

 

None of us "fans" have any real problem with informed criticism. On the official forums, I contribute it often.

 

the DF UI being clunky is just an opinion like everything else. i do not find it clunky at all - it's perfectly suited to a FPS-based MMO.

 

The flipside: fans describing the good things they like about the game get labelled as fanbois, shills, liars, etc. thing is, this is the DARKFALL forums - you have to expect fans are going to be here, whereas you have career haters who do nothing else but hang around here and hate on DF. There's a difference.

 

My comment on the UI was an EXAMPLE of a verifiable claim (my choice of words clunky, was becouse i choose not to write an entire esseay on the things wrong with the UI, figuring people would be smart enough to reconise it was an example, i was wrong). However, "This game is the best game ever" (typical response and description from fans) is not.

And yes, there is a difference, however most of the fans are simply not willing to see it. Same with the leader of the horde, taco.

the simple truth is Tasos is no worse or better than any one of a dozen game developers: they report their game's development as it is at the time. you can find Tasos emorage on every MMOG forum today - WAAA!!!! you lied/changed something, WAAA!!!!. game development is hard and sometimes shit doesn't go as planned or a theoretical feature sucks when it's actually implemented, or is just not possible for technical reasons so it gets taken out. so what.

harping on about Tasos == evil waaaa!!!!11 is just as naive now as it will be 10 years from now when you're my age and you read these naive WAAA posts and laugh.

the only provable difference is that DF's development, while long, has been well documented in dev journals over time (286 pages of developer journals and interviews up to 2009). there have been long periods without updates, but hey, that's what game development is about - developing.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Cereo

That's like comparing a new BMW 2009 to a used Ford Escort 1999 and you paid $40K for both of them.

 

No, it's more like WOW is a kid's game, with lots of flashy knobs and dials that don't do anything, designed for kids to play with.

 

Darkfall's more like Warhammer, the table-top version. designed for adults, with more attention given to the gameplay than presentation and repetitive time-sinks.

 

and FYI, yes i would pay the same for both, but WOW is for kids, DF is for adults. just like DF, the kids in this metaphor can't understand the attraction of Warhammer either.

I don't know the statistics. Can you post a link where more under 18 year olds play WoW than over 18 year olds? Or do you have some other definition for "adult"?