Originally posted by trancejeremy

LOTRO and WoW are actually pretty similar. Both are essentially bog standard EQ clones.

What hurts LOTRO is the lack of content, about 1/4 to 1/3 of that of WoW (in terms of quests).

The community is also incredibly stuck up. People say it's so great, but I have never experienced it. People never talk to me. Quieter than the game I used to play before LOTRO (Sword of the New World), where everyone was literally AFK 95% of the time. See the official forums for proof - half the threads there (slight hyperbole, but only slight) are rants against "casual" players.

Are you kidding?? LoTro has alot more content than WoW and it's not even as old as WoW.

I can't put my finger on it, but comparing different aspects of WoW and LOTRo, LOTRo usually comes out a winner in most aspects, however, i still find WoW more fun to play. I got bored with LOTRo pretty quick for some reason ( a couple of chars in their 20's ) I think it might have something to do with the combat. LOTRo's combat feel slow and boring while WoW's seem a bit faster to me.

Originally posted by DeadeX

I can't put my finger on it, but comparing different aspects of WoW and LOTRo, LOTRo usually comes out a winner in most aspects, however, i still find WoW more fun to play. I got bored with LOTRo pretty quick for some reason ( a couple of chars in their 20's ) I think it might have something to do with the combat. LOTRo's combat feel slow and boring while WoW's seem a bit faster to me.

Well in WoW you can macro your 6 or  8 best atacks and then fire em all off in 4 seconds whereas LoTRO you can only have 1 ( or is it  2?) skills queued up at a time which is cool with me because  in LoTRO there are enough skills and the situations vary enough to where sometimes you have to change your mind in a middle of a fight because of changing circumstances.

That is why wardens and RK's have 'oh crap" buttons which will clear the gambit panel for wardens and enable RKs to go from DD to neutral or heal mode to neutral. Once again this is chocolate/strawberry preferance as some will  prefer WoWs simpler system other prefer LoTROSs more complicated combat.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by lornphoenix

Originally posted by Kyleran

Besides, everyone knows EVE's the best.

 

maybe for you... I still can't get pass it's boring point and click combat... /yawn.

If you took Eve as it is, and actually made it I feel like I piloting my ship instead of playing an RTS with just one unit, we would have ture gem.... but it doesn't.

There is alot of Eve I like, and would enjoy... I just can't get pass the point and click controls and auto attack combat.

 

I would debate your points, but this is not the place for it.  Besides, your complaints are more a matter of preference based on what you are looking for in a game, and EVE isn't for you.

Sounds like JGE will be more your style.

But same is true for the topic here, chosing LoTRO vs WOW is a matter of player preference, as both games are simialar in playstyle in many ways.

but did you notice my emoticion?     My reply was meant to be taken tongue in cheek.  Of course there is no such thing as "the best game".  Just the best game for you.

 

ah, didn't catch the tongue in cheek thing, my bad.
And yes JGE is one of the MMOs I'm looking at along with BP.

on topic:

Anyway, Graphics wise LOTR looks better, but I still to date haven't seen a game that does fluid animations as good at WoW.

 

Originally posted by someforumguy

Originally posted by geekgamer

Not to sound stupid or anything so please correct me on anything that doesnt sound right.

 

Seeming the WoW community is bad and the many people droping away coming back time and time again im thinking their just might be an mmo that will kill of WoW,could it be LOTR?It is growing in popularity but i have yet to try its free trial to give it  a go myself.Yet my computer isnt as up for the latest games as it used to be and needs some upgrades eg.video card is starting to give out on me.

 

Please post your opnions on the game i want to collect as much information as i can and if i choose ill give LOTR a try.

Actually it sounds stupid. You make it sound as if LOTRO kills WoW, you might like LOTRO more. It makes you sound like a lemming and those are not that smart as far as I know.

AH no more lemmings i used to love that game,you know where you have to bomb the path ways to get the lemmings to the exit safely.They little gnomes are smart if you guide them on the right path,they know how to walk right?So it seems that your statement is false,just like every post you do on all the threads.

And i gave the trail a go guys,i am going to have to say i am bored of the rings already.Its a pretty good game with nice graphics but it does not float my boat.

BACK TO WoW 

LOTRO is a pretty nice game, but it's not a WoW killer :p

The only possible WoW killer ( as in getting more subs than WoW ) around is Aion, at least in Asia.

You get to play an undead character in WoW. Come on, man. No contest.

Originally posted by Palebane

You get to play an undead character in WoW. Come on, man. No contest.

I give up you win

Originally posted by geekgamer

Not to sound stupid or anything so please correct me on anything that doesnt sound right.

Seeming the WoW community is bad and the many people droping away coming back time and time again im thinking their just might be an mmo that will kill of WoW,could it be LOTR?It is growing in popularity but i have yet to try its free trial to give it  a go myself.Yet my computer isnt as up for the latest games as it used to be and needs some upgrades eg.video card is starting to give out on me.

Please post your opnions on the game i want to collect as much information as i can and if i choose ill give LOTR a try.

No, LOTRO wont kill Wow anytime soon or ever.

We can of course discuss which is the best of the 2 games (LOTRO do have better lore at least, Tolkien was a genius while some of the Wow writers are quite bad. Others are acceptable but not in Tolkien class).

LOTRO do have a few things that makes it impossible for it too take all Wows players. The most important one is that you can't play the evil side in LOTRO and the PvP is lame. Also do many of Wows players have old crappy computers that cant even run LOTRO.

LOTRO do have gotten some more players since MoM but not that many, it is still far away from Wows number of players, it is even far under Guildwars.

But the main reason that it never can kill Wow is that it is far too similar to Wow.Any game that will be the next huge game must have it's own new angle. My bet is either on "World of darkness online" or "The old republic online" since both those games will offer a very different kind of gameplay. One will create a big sandbox while the other will shape the characters after what they do. That is new thinking. LOTRO have it's world and Dx 10 but it doesn't really offer any big changes in gameplay from wow and Everquest.

Maybe if Turbine revamped the game so you could play evil and work for Sauron, then at least they would raise the number of potential customers and PvP servers could get some PvP fans in. But I still don't see it killing Wow.

Originally posted by geekgamer

Not to sound stupid or anything so please correct me on anything that doesnt sound right.

 

Seeming the WoW community is bad and the many people droping away coming back time and time again im thinking their just might be an mmo that will kill of WoW,could it be LOTR?It is growing in popularity but i have yet to try its free trial to give it  a go myself.Yet my computer isnt as up for the latest games as it used to be and needs some upgrades eg.video card is starting to give out on me.

 

Please post your opnions on the game i want to collect as much information as i can and if i choose ill give LOTR a try.

Hmmm...I don't know if I would say it's better but it's certainly on par with WoW and in some areas is better whereas in other areas WoW is better.  I will say I played WoW on and off for a few years and I'm done-for good- whereas I'm back in Rings and won't be going anywhere soon.

Personal opinion on the two though:

1. Community - LotR just seems to have a better community generally speaking.  They tend to be more helpful, patient, and insightful than the WoW one.  Doesn't mean WoW communtiy is all bad eiother though.  There are helpful folks there as well and Rings does have its asshats.  Just seems to me Rings one is better.

2. Crafting - Really a tossup to me.  Neither game's crafting system really stands out and is rather simplistic.  Some, like me, would say that's a good thing because they don't want crafting to be all encompassing others would argue that a crafting system like VG or EQ2 is better.  Depends on how much time you want to invest in it I suppose although I personally think if you want a system like EQ2 had at laucnh you're insane :P

3. Lore - Rings is far superior in this area.  Of course, that's assuming you've either read the books or seen the movies.  If you haven't you might find yourself asking, "wtf is going on?" The nice thing about WoW is you don't need to know any of the lore because quite frankly most could give a shit and really isn't a draw for most to the game.  Rings has a rather cool epic main story line although I suppose in a way this could also be a bad thing if you know nothing of the story.

4. Combat - Truthfully I think Rings is better but that isn't saying much because both games have rather simplistic combat systems.  Rings combat is slower than WoW but after playing a few weeks you don't even notice it.  Rings tends to use combo abilities and have more skills to choose from dependant on the fight and characters generally speaking work as hybrid types so they have more than one set option available to them  and that they can provide a group.

5. PvP - WoW is waaay better.  WoW has separate instances, arenas, and battle objectives in higher level zones available for PvP enthusiasts. Plus, may not happen often any mior on most servers but you can even harass the other side's towns or cities (in some areas-not all),  Rings has one zone where players can go up against other players playing generated monster toons.  It sees plenty of action but compared to most other games it's rather subpar and it's rather obvious Turbine isn't real focused on PvP in this game.

6. "End game" - Currently just started up again so truthfully I'm not at Rings end game so can't really comment much on it.  It seems to me WoW has more available but not fair for me to comment on what I haven't done so have to pass on that aspect.

EDIT: Oh and Rings will never kill WoW. The game is doing fine but it's never going to have WoW numbers.  Doesn't mean anything though in the whole scheme of things.  Rings does seem to have a rather loyal fan base so it seems to me it won't be going anywhere; anytime soon and will be getting plenty of dev love in the form of updates and expansions.

I found WoW superior in all regards. I find the classes more enjoyable, the content is better, and I could actually find groups in WoW.

Honestly, the two games are very similar. I don't like, either, but if I had to play one it would be the game with a much larger population. I don't like soloing in MMOs, and that was my experience in LOTRO. At least in WoW I could find the occasional group. WoW's BGs are also a fun distraction.

My take on LotR and WoW after having played them both...

... It boiled down to a few key items, but 'community' is what made the biggest difference for me.

LotR seems to be populated by a slightly more 'refined' group of subscribers.  When I say 'refined', I may go a step further and say... bordering 'dead'.  They are quiet.  Quiet to the point where one might think they are playing in Library of the Rings, tbh.  And when someone does pop up and speak... I sense an 'elitest' tone, rather than someone simply helping another individual.   (9/10 times, I will just hit a website for answers rather than ask anything ingame for this reason).

WoW seems to be populated by... a huge mix.  But what I notice the most in WoW are the kiddies and the adults that act like kiddies.  Seeing 'Dirge', 'Anal+item', Chuck Norris, and 'your mom' jokes followed by 112 explanations of how X-player is better than Y-player... that is WoW chat in a nutshell.  That's not just Barren's Chat... that's Trade Channel and nearly everywhere.  I realize that with 11-13,000,000 customers that WoW is going to catch a wide variety of player-types, and it seems that the DB's or kiddies are always the most vocal.

Outside of community, both are 'fantasy' games with great backgrounds rooted deeply in lore.  To me, PvP in LotR was an afterthought and if PvP is very important to you... LotR isn't the game for you.  WoW isn't necessarily a strong PvP game either, but there are a lot of avenues for finding PvP if you want it (just don't expect any meaningful openworld pvp... from either game).

I've experienced a lot of WoW end-game content, but not much LotR end-game so I can't speak to that.  I like about 50% of what WoW has end-game and was simply burned out on raiding. 

Both are excellent games.

WoW is a great overall package, its got everything, PvE, PvP, crafting, raiding, you name it, WoW has it and does it pretty well. WoW is a great MMO despite every hardcore MMO's hate for it because its popular and everyone can play it.

LOTR is equally as great and currently where I hang my metaphorical mmo hat. Where WoW does everything to a good degree LOTR doesnt, however, where it lacks PvP and certain other aspects it more than makes up for it in PvE, the setting, atmosphere and just how the game generally plays. The game is very much alive and popular, I play Laurelin EU server which I believe is one of two popular servers in EU, the other being Snowburn?bourne? not sure, but anyway on these servers there is always people pottering around at any level, you'll never go more than 5 minutes without someone passing you by.

Another great thing about LOTR if your into it, is the grouping aspects. I know the above post say there is an elitist type of player- not my expierence, everyone wants to chat to me and group. Grouping is essential to certain quests and a very popular way to play. With my level 37 Guardian i've never not done a quest because I couldnt find a group except maybe a few of the Volume Book quests which are a little specific and hard to find someone on the exact same point as you are. In this respect LOTR takes more of a traditional mmorpg gameplay route, where WoW allows you to solo to 80 and infact encourages you to do so with little no rewards of grouping in normal zones, LOTR seemingly encourages it and also caters great solo content.

Hope this helps. Both great, but Im loving LOTR at the moment

Originally posted by shakermaker0

Another great thing about LOTR if your into it, is the grouping aspects. I know the above post say there is an elitist type of player- not my expierence, everyone wants to chat to me and group.

Yeah, I have to say I was a bit boggled by that statement.  I haven't really seen much of that on the NA servers either. Heh...maybe we just picked good servers all around.

Of course, could be he's on one of the under populated servers and it's more a question of not many people around more than anything else but think I'll quit beating that horse for a bit hehe.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by shakermaker0

Another great thing about LOTR if your into it, is the grouping aspects. I know the above post say there is an elitist type of player- not my expierence, everyone wants to chat to me and group.

 

Yeah, I have to say I was a bit boggled by that statement.  I haven't really seen much of that on the NA servers either. Heh...maybe we just picked good servers all around.

Of course, could be he's on one of the under populated servers and it's more a question of not many people around more than anything else but think I'll quit beating that horse for a bit hehe.

Yeah, that kinda boggles me as well.  I group often and never have a problem with people answering questions.  I have never felt that "elitist" vibe.  I like that the chat channels aren't fluttered with your mom, and chuck norris jokes, but to each their own.