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Still playing around with the game. Few more bugs. Pets are still getting stuck. Had my pet doing combat with a mob 40 feet or so away ( Funny to watch ). Assist seems to be working. Defend worked today. Don't know if its a toggle issue/ui issue. Got both of my accounts back till 7/1. Time to go see how the rest of it looks. |
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5/29/09 10:36:36 PM#42
Originally posted by Reanim
FireFox.
Are you able to find the download link for that with IE8 or does it require a special mode? |
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5/30/09 8:33:19 AM#43
Originally posted by Druz Yea thats great and all but do you really think I would be playing if I was having this "horrifying" experience you and the troll are trying to detail? A lot of the more active posters are current but new players, we weren't burned by Sigil so we're not here making things up. There are a few small bugs here and there.. nothing comes close to hindering my enjoyment of the game. There is no reason to give an outdated explaination of your experience other than just being spiteful. You can't imagine the devs fixing walking on water and mobs disappearing? Really? I'm a bard, I walk on water regularly... I haven't seen mobs disappear but if I did it would be truely HORRIFYING Oh please, I don't know what world you live in but in the world in which I live in, MMO's are businesses. They aren't charities being run by people out of the goodness of their hearts. In business, you have to deliver so that not only do you create a positive image in the mind of customers, but so that you are able to gain new customers through the good word of existing customers. You suggesting that I'm being "spiteful" by voicing my opinion on a game which I played 5/6 months ago is just silly.
If I was to go to a supermarket today, only to find rotting vegetables inamongst the fresh veggies, or I was to fall through the floor whilst making my way down the aisle, do you expect me to not be weary about going back to the same supermarket 6 months down the line? Better yet, do you expect me to keep mum and not warn others about my experience? Of course not. Anyone willing to put up with that is setting a very low standard for themselves. Sure, in 6 months time the floor may be fixed and the vegetables may be removed, but as the saying goes - prevention is better than cure. There is no excuse for those rotting vegetables being there in the first place, or for the floor having caved in underneath me. The reason the problems may be fixed in 6 months time is because of my terrible ordeal that I obviously wouldn't keep a secret. If I had never fallen through the floor or made noise about the rotting vegetables both problems would still exist 6 months down the line. That store shouldn't be open in the first place as it is not the shopping experience I expect in return for dishing out my money.
The mentality of those behind the game is one of "I'll deliver if I need to, otherwise the players can just put up with what we give them in the meantime." If in 6 months time the exact same people are in charge of the supermarket as today, how do I know I won't experience yet more issues? I never said your experience has been bad, but mine was and that wasn't very long ago at all. What it was was a good while after launch and for such issues to still exist then should send alarm bells ringing through the mind of anyone who expects more than the bare-minimum from developers.  |
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5/30/09 8:38:56 AM#44
Originally posted by Joppari Maybe he doesn't want to use Firefox? Him changing his browser just for one site sounds rather stupid to me. How is his choice of browser you business? The fact that you're getting rude on top of something that has nothing to do with you makes your post even more pathetic.
It's clear this is a case of you getting touchy because he's experiencing bugs in Vanguard and you don't like the image that presents to potential players. |
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5/30/09 8:43:59 AM#45
If you are playing in high resolution . You will not see the rain. I play at 2560 x 1600 and it does not show for me unless I turn the resolution down. |
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5/30/09 9:02:28 AM#46
Originally posted by Lydon Maybe he doesn't want to use Firefox? Him changing his browser just for one site sounds rather stupid to me. How is his choice of browser you business? The fact that you're getting rude on top of something that has nothing to do with you makes your post even more pathetic.
It's clear this is a case of you getting touchy because he's experiencing bugs in Vanguard and you don't like the image that presents to potential players.
No, I don't mind about that, everyone's impressions are different.
He expressed that he was having trouble, I offered a solution. I was poking fun at Microsoft, not at the poster.
This was nothing to do with Vanguard, nor a personal attack on anyone.
It's interesting that 'something that has nothing to do with me', nor infact you, has moved you so greatly as to insult me. |
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Follow Up... I decided to try a char on 1 of my reactivated accounts. I did several classes to 12-13. I even did a crafting run to lvl 10 on one of the chars since I had never tried crafting here. The only plus was the crafting system ( loved It ). The game is still majorly bugged. Nothing game breaking but more of a long list of annoyances that get old real fast. Here are but a few of the issues I encountered. Swiming through the world ( multiple places ). Necro pet controls bugged ( Location specific - Pet locks up or forgets his job ). Clicking on quest items buggy. Mobs dying on quest items and have to wait till carcas dissapeers to claim item. unable to use vendor when engaged by other in diplo. Mob pathing, glitching, dissapeering. Unable to attack mobs in trees rocks etc. mini map becomes non usable ( terrain dissapeers ). Broken vendors. Broken and glitched quests ( bad when its a chain ). Flying mount stuck at flight level. Pinned to the cieling in the temple elivator after mount timer went away. Bugged mobs and harvest resources. Waky aggro. I could go on and on but you get the idea. Buggy, Glitchy goofy crap. Other annoyances... Game still has huge level quest gaps forcing mindless grinding. Huge areas still unpopulated. Still laggy and chunks out in places on my high end machine ( Cities ). I went hours without seeing another player as a low lvl though the level 40's areas were fairly well populated. The big question for me was why would I want to play a game that is poorly supported. will NEVER NEVER NEVER reach its potential and will more than likely be canned. They don't care to put much into the game so why should I care to play it. Reanim |
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6/05/09 6:32:11 AM#48
Originally posted by Reanim Exactly my question! I don't understand why some people feel like they should stick around and support the game so that it can eventually reach its potential, when it should have been up-to-scratch right from the start. It isn't a charity organisation that you give your money to in order to support a good cause - it's a business and they've stuffed up big time. NO ONE passionate about a game would release it in that state.
Hopefully your list of bugs will shut those up who are saying we're talking nonsense. The denial of some people is really astounding sometimes. Seriously, if some people have a flawless experience - congrats! But they shouldn't pretend that we all are having such a good time in-game. |
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6/05/09 9:40:31 AM#49
Originally posted by Lydon Exactly my question! I don't understand why some people feel like they should stick around and support the game so that it can eventually reach its potential, when it should have been up-to-scratch right from the start. It isn't a charity organisation that you give your money to in order to support a good cause - it's a business and they've stuffed up big time. NO ONE passionate about a game would release it in that state.
Hopefully your list of bugs will shut those up who are saying we're talking nonsense. The denial of some people is really astounding sometimes. Seriously, if some people have a flawless experience - congrats! But they shouldn't pretend that we all are having such a good time in-game.
Reanim, An impressive list of bugs but somehow they don't seem to happen to me. So like I said you are amazing and should get a job in QA for some company. Lydon, I don't think anyone cares if you play the game ;) You have clearly explained time and time again why you don't like the game and why you will never play it. Seems like most every post of yours is just kinda a repeat of the same message. I think that there is a difference of opinion on the game experience for many people. Reanim has provided a good list of issues and contributed to this discussion even if many people can't replicate his experiences. 
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6/05/09 10:18:27 AM#50
I don't understand why some people feel like they should stick around and bash a game they obviously don't play or like. It's a game. You don't like it. Others do. Move on. Why the pressing need to bash it? Are you so insecure in your decision to not play the game that you feel the need to badmouth it constantly on a forum so that you might somehow convince others to not try the game? What result are you looking for by bashing VG? Yes, the denial of some people really is astounding. Your denial that the game can be enjoyable and non-glitchy for some is a great example. No one's pretending EVERYONE is having a great time in game. Yet that's what gets stuck in your mind when someone says they're enjoying the game. Total skip in logic. I have yet to experience one of the bugs he's listed. I'm not saying you or he are talking nonsense, just that it's not universally bad for everyone. You and he had bad experiences with VG. That sucks. Others are having good experiences. It's the same in any MMO. As for Reanim's statement... you make it sound as if someone is pressuring you to play VG against your will. You don't like the game, have found bugs and glitches and hate SOE. Then walk away from the game and this forum. You've spoken your piece. Some agree. Others disagree. Leave it at that. Nothing else will be accomplished by either one of you continually bashing the game. Current: None |
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6/05/09 3:31:13 PM#51
Originally posted by Nizur If I felt the "pressing need" to bash the game I would have not only created topics about how much I hated the game when I first discovered the sorry state it's in, but I would have continued to troll every Vanguard thread I came across on a continual basis since then. I think the issue here is your inability to read posts, considering you dedicated a large portion of your own post to my apparent inability to understand that some people are having a good time in Vanguard. How many times have I acknowledged the fact that some people enjoy the game and experience little to no bugs? How much more clear does a person need to make it?
Another issue you seem to have is that of free speech. This is a public forum created so that people can voice their opinions on games. I don't like Vanguard after my experience with it, but because you do I'm supposed to keep mum about it? If you must know the story, one boring night I came across some Vanguard-related topics appearing on the main page, which I read and responded to. Considering a thread is created for discussion, my continual replies are just that - discussion.
This forum doesn't "belong" to Vanguard players who have to right to say who may and who many not post in it. Both positive discussion as well as criticism belongs here and my opinion fits into the latter category. I am simply warning people about the game from MY experience, as I would like others to warn me in return about potential games I may want to play. We ALL know Vanguard got off to an extremely shaky start and it is still recovering since then. Not even the biggest of fanboys can deny that. What gives you the right to continue in the discussion because your opinion is a positive one, but me not because mine is a negative one?
In summary, I don't like the game and I'm not going to pretend I do. That doesn't mean I'm trolling it (I can show you what real trolling is should you lack experience in that department). I'm free to browse any forum on this website and respond to threads as I wish, so I'd appreciate it if you'd quite frankly keep your nose out of it and let me voice my concerns as you are free to voice your praise as much as you want. |
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6/05/09 4:57:52 PM#52
Originally posted by Wrender
Actually to be fair, the bugs he listed are definitely still in the game. Just because you don't experience them, doesn't mean other people aren't. Getting stuck from tree branches or simply going up the stairs, falling through the world, swimming into the void under the world, etc.. are all very well known issues that have been in the game since launch. They are issues that happens occasionally, happens enough just to bug you, pun intended. The OP is lucky he didn't try out the new areas post lvl 50 (VG had a game update recently that expanded level cap from 50 to 55, with new revamped Pantheon of the Ancients zone). Just read VG's official forum, look at the outcry people have in the past week or two, some from VG's long time supporters. There's nobody in their right mind that would suggest Vanguard is not bug ridden. Vanguard's issues have to do with resources. It took them over a year to get a revamped zone out and to expand level cap to 55. When it finally came out, bugs were everywhere, exp bugs, quest bugs, mob bugs, the devs are still scrambling to fix the issues. So while I credit the devs for working hard, the game is still bug ridden to the average gamers play MMO's today. Here, find out what bugs that annoy current players the most: forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m
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6/05/09 5:04:33 PM#53
Originally posted by Lydon
I think a big part was this. "I don't understand why some people feel like they should stick around and support the game so that it can eventually reach its potential, when it should have been up-to-scratch right from the start." Maybe you should have worded the first part of the sentence abit different.
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6/05/09 5:29:26 PM#54
I have no issues with free speech. What I have issues with is people bashing a game for the sake of bashing. Worse yet, bashing people for supporting a game and voicing their opinions. Continually voicing your disapproval of a game over and over accomplishes nothing. We know you don't like the game. Your point has been made. Why continue to beat that drum? And why question the decision of people to support a game you happen to find buggy? They disagree with your opinion of the game or happen to like it despite its faults. Discussions can be constructive or pointless. Initially voicing your disapproval and backing up your claims is fine. Beating a dead horse of a topic is pointless. Repeating ad nauseum that you think a game sucks is pointless. BTW, My frustration isn't with you necessarily, but with the prevalent bashers on this site. Your post happened to trigger my response. I honestly don't mind dissenting opinions as long as they're presented well and respectfully.
No one, including myself, is saying this forum belongs to Vanguard players. By forum, I meant these VG forums, not MMORPG as a site. Criticism is fine here, but bashing and insults have no place anywhere. It accomplishes nothing except the degradation of a discussion into a brawl. Current: None |
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masterbbb26
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6/05/09 5:35:44 PM#55
Originally posted by Lydon 2008 was 5/6 months ago. Do you honestly expect me to believe the second coming has occured since then? We both know that hasn't happened. My point is that I payed good money to play the game that I was promised, but what was delivered to me was nowhere near the product it was punted to be. And the end of 2008 was how many months after release? My point exactly. If bugs were still so rampant that long after release, I don't see much of a future for the game.
I am not mindlessly trolling. I played the game, had a terrible experience with it and that experience will stay with me forever. I could give it another try now, but I can't imagine the dev team will have fixed all the issues I mentioned. It's simply not worth the effort. A "2008 review in 2009" is indeed fitting, as the same people are behind the game now as back then and that speaks much about what to expect should major new content continue to be delivered.
These problems shouldn't have existed in the first place. Making excuses for it simply doesn't cut it for me. If the game is now finally fixed as you say, do you honestly expect me to pick up the game and play it after it having taken them so long to get the product out of the door that they should have on launch day? please take your troll post to 6 months ago.....thank you Currently Playing: Fallen Earth |
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6/05/09 11:48:06 PM#56
Originally posted by masterbbb26 please take your troll post to 6 months ago.....thank you
Your call. It's pretty amazing what they've done recently. You won't burst into flames or anything if you log in with the vet free month promotion and try it out for yourself. You can base your posts on how the game was 1 year ago, or you can base your posts on how the game is now.... the choice is yours. Mindspy: Defense is working on test after 2.5 years! Anything is possible! |
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6/05/09 11:57:38 PM#57
The simply fact that everyone is going to have to accept: Vanguard will never be what it should have been. That's the bottomline, nothing will change that. The sad part is that pretty much from now on (since the PotA patch) we can all say that any group content that comes out that will have some significant reward will require a huge grind just for the sheer fact of limited dev power. Knowing that is now a reality (Lvl 55 grind and Pota grind), how can you tell your new players that? This is why I've stated over and over on these boards, The VG game level 1 - 49 has original content, you got interesting quest lines, events, encounters, the whole nine yards. But lvl 50+ (after all the developers got axed), all you have is faction mindless grinds. They do that because they aren't able to keep remotely up with the small playerbase they have. Its the sad reality and I don't think its changing any time soon. When you look at the trend of the recent group content SoD, BoD, and now PoTa. All of them are nothing but grinds because they don't have time to add in interesting questlines and events. Its sad but you add this on top of the bugs that are still in game. |
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6/06/09 12:29:51 AM#58
That I can agree with. Unless a miracle happens, VG will never reach its full potential. VG has more potential than any other MMO I've tried, but the small dev team pretty much assures it'll never be fully realized. Still, I'm hoping it continues to be improved and polished, slowly if it has to be. Slowly is better than not at all. Current: None |
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6/06/09 1:12:04 AM#59
My question is why are people swimming to the bottom of water to see if they can go under the world?...was this a quest I missed or a Named down there that has uber drops?....The reason I have never seen this bug is because I have no reason whatsoever to just swim to the bottom of an area to find a hole so I can say 'hey over here there is a bug'. Most of the bugs with mobs disappering, walkin thru stuff, terrain and maps disappering sound like it has more to do with your graphical settings than anything....no game works perfectly with every computer that is out there no matter how good your 'puter is you have to tweak the settings... Also if you have played this in the past at different times...you probably need to do a clean install and I bet you would find that some of the 'bugs' you are experiencing would well...disappear. I have played this game on and off since early beta...it was a complete mess but I finished beta and about a month into launch. Have tried and retried everytime they offer free time and now with the trial. But I have recently came back because I have found that it is the most enjoyable mmo experience since SWG pre-cu. With the updates and bug fixes it is very playable and have the settings cranked and it runs better thand EQ2 and WOW right now. My only complaint I really do wish more people played.... |
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6/06/09 2:02:23 AM#60
Originally posted by Nizur
Well my question is how long can we go on with this current trend? I mean this past E3 in my opinion sends very dark chills down my back because those games sounds very very very interesting and they are catering to the same audience VG is. I'm not sure if the developers or Smedly are taking notes but SWTOR, HoT, FFXIV are gunning for the casual audience that VG happens to be tapping into. And with this latest round of pantheon content, I don't think they got the memo and its very frightening. I know some may think its going to be the same scenario as War/AoC but the difference is these are PvE based games and are using VG's mistakes as encouragement on not to make the same mistake. VG is running out of time, I'm not sure if slowly will be an acceptable rate. I've always questioned VG's future but now with 3 potential PvE juggernauts forming up, the devs need to push some quality non-grind content or it will be like MxO all over. Or maybe I am the only one feeling this way? |
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