Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Since you won't know what it means. Even Wikipedia agrees that you're stupid and trying to change the subject.

You lose, Cik, stop raging and trying to insult myself and Murder Herd. Make another illogical, rambling, unsubstantiated fanboi post full of assertions for me to humiliate and then leave.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

Out of reasonable arguments or just looking to get owned again?

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

Why don't you just admit your game is crap and then people on here will be nice to you again.  If you just admit the game is crap then there is still some hope for you and I will agree to be your friend.

Originally posted by SuperCrap

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

 

Why don't you just admit your game is crap and then people on here will be nice to you again.  If you just admit the game is crap then there is still some hope for you and I will agree to be your friend.

I can't believe that you guys are still feeding that troll. It's been like what 3 days now?

Hellmoob won this thread. Forum pvp ftw!

Anyway, he just confirmed what we other's have suspected since this abomination hit the mmo scene. AV is let by a pathological liar, the devs are more or less clueless and their programming skill severly lacking. Not even the graphic artists show any promise. Even the old Morrowind looks, and most probably play better when you talk about fps/rpg hybrids. Atleast that's what I can see when I watch the vids from this game.

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by drDamage

Well If you play anything this much for this long, especially if your conditioned to the more popular quantity > quality  delusion as most are these days(this game does not even pretend to reward seniority over skill) and this post does indeed reek of that type of personality, which ties to the comment of "age based" forums, we have all seen fourty year olds act twelve and a few twelve year olds act thirty. Age is absolutely no indicator of intelligence or maturity and perhaps least of all social fitness.

 

Ah yes, the argument of seeing 40 yr olds acting 12 etc. Easy to say, harder to justify. Besides, I was being facetious, as in the all compassing, totally anonymous world of the interwebz...you can't verify the age of the person anyhow, making any such assumptions totally baseless and empty of substance. It also enables those of any age to act less civil towards others. Easy to insult without repercussions, try it in RL and it gets a little messier.

I do however agree that spending so much time over anything in such a short period of time will likely have a numbing effect and make all the negative aspects of it stand out all the more. Moderation is seldom observed these days anyway, so it happens much more often to have 'burnouts' than taking the slow pace and enjoyment filled ride that would alleviate alot of these rants.

I cannot say for the OP, I dare not.

I do notice one thing specific to DF, and that is this game is a time sink.  You need to be online, macroing afk or pressing the same button like a fool, to gain skills.  See the high skills he quoted?  He need that many online hours to get it.  If he only played for 100 hours and he got those skill levels, he is lying.

He might have logged 700+ hours onlilne, =/= he was sitting in front of the computer for those duration.  I hope he did not, for the sake of his sanity.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by drDamage

Well If you play anything this much for this long, especially if your conditioned to the more popular quantity > quality  delusion as most are these days(this game does not even pretend to reward seniority over skill) and this post does indeed reek of that type of personality, which ties to the comment of "age based" forums, we have all seen fourty year olds act twelve and a few twelve year olds act thirty. Age is absolutely no indicator of intelligence or maturity and perhaps least of all social fitness.

 

Ah yes, the argument of seeing 40 yr olds acting 12 etc. Easy to say, harder to justify. Besides, I was being facetious, as in the all compassing, totally anonymous world of the interwebz...you can't verify the age of the person anyhow, making any such assumptions totally baseless and empty of substance. It also enables those of any age to act less civil towards others. Easy to insult without repercussions, try it in RL and it gets a little messier.

I do however agree that spending so much time over anything in such a short period of time will likely have a numbing effect and make all the negative aspects of it stand out all the more. Moderation is seldom observed these days anyway, so it happens much more often to have 'burnouts' than taking the slow pace and enjoyment filled ride that would alleviate alot of these rants.

Age is a number that has no meaning when it relates to being immature much of the time, I think.  The nature of bad behavior, unfortunately, transcends age; perhaps a chemical imbalance.  What does possibly compound the numbing nature of something so empty, as might be the case with other mmo's, is the amount of time spent in a shallow enterprise, hanging onto false hope that it might improve.  But opinions and impressions are so immeasurable at times, that personal experience is key.  But then it becomes a cycle of his opinion vs hers....and that too, as seen here many times, becomes meaningless; again, going back to gaining your own experience through personal experience.

 

I tend to think of everything in moderation, and perhaps the things I take enjoyment in most are those that I partake in modestly.

Age is just a number, it is at least an objective number.  You dodge the argument by pulling up another measure called maturity, which is totally subjective and start arguing on the basis of your own judgment.

Way to argue, you can also cook up an index called Liked-by-Cik index and go about indexing each of us.  That would make your own argument easier.  You don't like me?  Rate me 0/100.  You win.

Originally posted by musicmann

Even though the OP post was well written and articulate, it still doesn't give a plausible reason to make a exit thread at all. Every MMO on the market can be picked apart and have their good and bad elements dissected up and down. The final verdict though stands with the indivdual player. You either are having fun or you're not, no reason to try and post and sway others from a personal opinion.

I still can't figure out why people think there's a need to bash or for that matter praise any given mmo. It's really all subjective and no matter how many may like it, there's an equal amount who can't stand it. Does that mean the one's who hate it have the right to tell the others that play and potential customers to stay away from it. A MMO will run it's course and either sink or swim, due to how the players percieve the game direction is heading all on it's own.

Running around Darkfall naked because players are afraid of losing there best gear.Is not consider a game,It is not fun,It is not full loot..It is called chicken shit..The game is all pvp  nothing more and nothing less..It is a no brain game...I have better things to do in life than watching naked people running around and chasing each other.That must be real exciting for you!

Originally posted by drDamage

Gaming is like any bad habit I suppose. Just about anything done in moderation is "OK", yep smoking, drinking, crack even arsenic can be taken in small doses, however as the dosage increases the sensitivity usually increases exponentially. This would, I believe hold true in this environment as well. I hate getting my ass handed to me once a day, I really hate getting my ass handed to me twice a day and I positively can't stand getting my ass handed to me three times a day when I play twelve hours a day and I must be better than everyone else cause no one else tries as hard as me, therefore the game must be totally flawed. I can log on to WOW and own everyone cause I know all the tricks and here I can't do crap.

 

I can totally see this delusional state from ANYONE that immerses themselves in FANTASY for TWELVE hours a day for MONTHS....

Is it just me thats missing this? the OP thinks playing A GAME for 12 hours a day for MONTHS gives him credibility???????????????

Is that a theory?  Based on physical tests?  Physiological tests?  Or based on your whim, or err bullshits?

Where is the point of moderation, is that the same for every person.  Your moderation is say 12 hour or whatever, that applies to the OP who wrote that article?

What gives him credibility?  He makes sense, he writes with reason.

Do you think you really gain credibiility creating those totally baseless theory of "moderation", which is incomplete, non specific, and untested?

No.  The OP's writing makes good reading, yours? bullshit.

Having followed DF for some time pre-release, I remember Hellmoob as an active member of the forums, and believe I read enough of his posts to see that he's not some mouth breathing fuckwit. He's been there/done that in-game, so if you're going to listen to anyone give a critique of DF, you could do a lot worse than listening to him.

BTW, yes I played for a few weeks, and yes I agree with pretty much every negative DF post I've seen. Good luck to those of you that enjoy it, but please, stop trying to pretend the game is without flaw and without peer.

Originally posted by musicmann

Even though the OP post was well written and articulate, it still doesn't give a plausible reason to make a exit thread at all. Every MMO on the market can be picked apart and have their good and bad elements dissected up and down. The final verdict though stands with the indivdual player. You either are having fun or you're not, no reason to try and post and sway others from a personal opinion.

I still can't figure out why people think there's a need to bash or for that matter praise any given mmo. It's really all subjective and no matter how many may like it, there's an equal amount who can't stand it. Does that mean the one's who hate it have the right to tell the others that play and potential customers to stay away from it. A MMO will run it's course and either sink or swim, due to how the players percieve the game direction is heading all on it's own.

So what are we all doing here?  Talking about religions?

This is a game discussion web, we talk about the good and bad, and why we join or quit a game.  Its call discussions.  Oh by the way, what are you doing here?  Talking about not talking?  Interesting.

By your same logic, why should people exchange views at all,? If you do not like some food, just leave quietly and forever hold your tongue.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin                                         --WALL OF STUPID--

 

You spent HOW long writing this, and it was the best you could do? THIS was the BEST you could do? Oh my.

1. I don't just play the game, I interact with other people. As an ex-member of Murder Herd,

stop right there. MH has been non-existent in this game.

 

You lose and have lost. If you spent that much time with MH, its not wonder why your bitter....you guys couldnt play the damn game and spent most of your time macroing.

ohh..edit...it took me as long to respond to your lameness as it did to stop laughing for enough time to respond to this one.

Oh man, I am even more confused. So now it is not only "you played to little/played to much to have a negative opinion of the game", but we now add "can't take your opinion seriously because you belong to the wrong guild"???

Forget it, I'd rather go back to WoW...

Originally posted by hoopty

Originally posted by musicmann

Even though the OP post was well written and articulate, it still doesn't give a plausible reason to make a exit thread at all. Every MMO on the market can be picked apart and have their good and bad elements dissected up and down. The final verdict though stands with the indivdual player. You either are having fun or you're not, no reason to try and post and sway others from a personal opinion.

I still can't figure out why people think there's a need to bash or for that matter praise any given mmo. It's really all subjective and no matter how many may like it, there's an equal amount who can't stand it. Does that mean the one's who hate it have the right to tell the others that play and potential customers to stay away from it. A MMO will run it's course and either sink or swim, due to how the players percieve the game direction is heading all on it's own.

 

Running around Darkfall naked because players are afraid of losing there best gear.Is not consider a game,It is not fun,It is not full loot..It is called chicken shit..The game is all pvp  nothing more and nothing less..It is a no brain game...I have better things to do in life than watching naked people running around and chasing each other.That must be real exciting for you!

This is funny. I have never even played DF and probably never will. I seen this thread yesterday and decided to chime in with a post more in line of all mmo's and not just DF.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by musicmann

Even though the OP post was well written and articulate, it still doesn't give a plausible reason to make a exit thread at all. Every MMO on the market can be picked apart and have their good and bad elements dissected up and down. The final verdict though stands with the indivdual player. You either are having fun or you're not, no reason to try and post and sway others from a personal opinion.

I still can't figure out why people think there's a need to bash or for that matter praise any given mmo. It's really all subjective and no matter how many may like it, there's an equal amount who can't stand it. Does that mean the one's who hate it have the right to tell the others that play and potential customers to stay away from it. A MMO will run it's course and either sink or swim, due to how the players percieve the game direction is heading all on it's own.

 

So what are we all doing here?  Talking about religions?

This is a game discussion web, we talk about the good and bad, and why we join or quit a game.  Its call discussions.  Oh by the way, what are you doing here?  Talking about not talking?  Interesting.

By your same logic, why should people exchange views at all,? If you do not like some food, just leave quietly and forever hold your tongue.

My logic is more correct than most others. Sure it is not horrible to give praise or even discuss problems within a mmo. The point i was making is that it is all subjective and when people start to cross the line and try and sway others from spending their hard earn dollars on a product, then it becomes a problem.  Who really cares if DF was not made for everyone. Most mmo's other than WOW is built to cater to a certain type of gamer. Who are you to tell anyone that the game is so horrible they shouldn't play. MMO's will run their own course and either survive or fail. I've never even played DF, and probably won't. It surely is not from what anyone has said because i wasn't lazy and did research on the actual game and found it not to interesting. 

As for your example of bad food, movie or whatever. I have never went off what other people have wrote or said. Like i mentioned, it's all subjective to the indivdual's personal taste. I'm not the type of person that needs others to lead me around and tell me what is good or bad. I'm an adult and can make that decision for myself apparently unlike yourself.

Originally posted by Mattyb710

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by parrotpholk

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=191461

 

I think this says it very well on whats wrong with DF as a whole. I have in the past not agreed with some of the things the OP posted this however is very well written. 

 

FYI....Its a long post so if you dont have 5 minutes then do not bother.

 

*snipped*

Just some objective subjective response from, well, me.

 

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

+10 cool points for adding a Princess Bride reference ;)

Originally posted by musicmann

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by musicmann

 So what are we all doing here?  Talking about religions?

This is a game discussion web, we talk about the good and bad, and why we join or quit a game.  Its call discussions.  Oh by the way, what are you doing here?  Talking about not talking?  Interesting.

By your same logic, why should people exchange views at all,? If you do not like some food, just leave quietly and forever hold your tongue.

My logic is more correct than most others. <blah blah blah>

The highlighted portion is illustrative of the real problem with what is going on - egos getting in the way of a constructive exchange of ideas and opinions.

Originally posted by bmdevine

Originally posted by musicmann

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by musicmann

 So what are we all doing here?  Talking about religions?

This is a game discussion web, we talk about the good and bad, and why we join or quit a game.  Its call discussions.  Oh by the way, what are you doing here?  Talking about not talking?  Interesting.

By your same logic, why should people exchange views at all,? If you do not like some food, just leave quietly and forever hold your tongue.

My logic is more correct than most others. <blah blah blah>

The highlighted portion is illustrative of the real problem with what is going on - egos getting in the way of a constructive exchange of ideas and opinions.

I don't have a ego and i will admit that was a poor choice of words on my part.  I was trying to convey that mmo's can be discussed but when people start to cross the the line from a disusson to a down right trashing, then that is taking it to far..

Yes the OP's thread was civil. The problem is, out of that one thread, this topic has spawned 16 pages of non consrtuctive drivel that serves no purpose. The truth is, DF was not meant for this dude.. No need to shout it out loud so everyone knows that.

You either play the game and have fun or you don't. Every game has certain aspects that will cater to one type of crowd or another. It will never satisfy everyone. Coming here and discussing either a released game or a up and coming game is fine. When that turns into a personal opinion that tries to sway others form purchising or playing a game then that becomes a hidden agenda that doesn't deserve a discussion.

Originally posted by musicmann

Originally posted by bmdevine

Originally posted by musicmann

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by musicmann

 So what are we all doing here?  Talking about religions?

This is a game discussion web, we talk about the good and bad, and why we join or quit a game.  Its call discussions.  Oh by the way, what are you doing here?  Talking about not talking?  Interesting.

By your same logic, why should people exchange views at all,? If you do not like some food, just leave quietly and forever hold your tongue.

My logic is more correct than most others. <blah blah blah>

The highlighted portion is illustrative of the real problem with what is going on - egos getting in the way of a constructive exchange of ideas and opinions.

 

 

I don't have a ego and i will admit that was a poor choice of words on my part.  I was trying to convey that mmo's can be discussed but when people start to cross the the line from a disusson to a down right trashing, then that is taking it to far..

Yes the OP's thread was civil. The problem is, out of that one thread, this topic has spawned 16 pages of non consrtuctive drivel that serves no purpose. The truth is, DF was not meant for this dude.. No need to shout it out loud so everyone knows that.

You either play the game and have fun or you don't. Every game has certain aspects that will cater to one type of crowd or another. It will never satisfy everyone. Coming here and discussing either a released game or a up and coming game is fine. When that turns into a personal opinion that tries to sway others form purchising or playing a game then that becomes a hidden agenda that doesn't deserve a discussion.

First, everyone has an ego.  Some people's egos are just more out of control than others.  Second, if something doesn't deserve a discussion, why are you discussing it?  It just keeps the thread at the top of the "Recent Forum Posts" and feeds the fire.  When was the last time you saw a post purporting to take the high road and show bashers the light truly have a positive effect on the course of a thread?  Many posts here are intended to feed the posters' egos, and, as unfortunate as it may be, no amount of talk will change that.

If the "quitter" really didn't enjoy the game after that much playing, it's probably a good thing he got out.

Originally posted by musicmann

Originally posted by bmdevine

Originally posted by musicmann

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by musicmann

 So what are we all doing here?  Talking about religions?

This is a game discussion web, we talk about the good and bad, and why we join or quit a game.  Its call discussions.  Oh by the way, what are you doing here?  Talking about not talking?  Interesting.

By your same logic, why should people exchange views at all,? If you do not like some food, just leave quietly and forever hold your tongue.

My logic is more correct than most others. <blah blah blah>

The highlighted portion is illustrative of the real problem with what is going on - egos getting in the way of a constructive exchange of ideas and opinions.

 

 

I don't have a ego and i will admit that was a poor choice of words on my part.  I was trying to convey that mmo's can be discussed but when people start to cross the the line from a disusson to a down right trashing, then that is taking it to far..

Yes the OP's thread was civil. The problem is, out of that one thread, this topic has spawned 16 pages of non consrtuctive drivel that serves no purpose. The truth is, DF was not meant for this dude.. No need to shout it out loud so everyone knows that.

You either play the game and have fun or you don't. Every game has certain aspects that will cater to one type of crowd or another. It will never satisfy everyone. Coming here and discussing either a released game or a up and coming game is fine. When that turns into a personal opinion that tries to sway others form purchising or playing a game then that becomes a hidden agenda that doesn't deserve a discussion.

I high-lighted the two areas I wanted to comment on... I disagree with you on both of them.

I find absolutely no problem with many pages of "non-constructive drivel" as long as those participating are following the rules set forth here by mmorpg.com

I'd hazard a guess that the admin and staff here at mmorpg.com would agree with me.  After all that is purpose of this site.  The more traffic, and the more dialogue that a topic generates (16 pages... obviously generating a lot)... the better as far as revenue stream is concerned.

I am curious, what difference does it make to you if others choose to participate in a discussion that you deem to be "non-constructive drivel"?  If the topic, or posts are breaking rules here at mmorpg.com, then report them.  If not, then it would appear your posts are just adding to the "drivel" 

As for the second part above; it follows the same logic as the first. 

As long as a person is not breaking any rules by posting... then it's all fair game.  Anyone is free to report a post that they think is in violation.  If the mods let it stand, then you can choose to NOT read the post, or visit other MMO sites instead.

I'm curious as to why you think that everyone should be expected to post by the "rules" that you think are correct instead of the rules that mmorpg.com has set forth.  Now if this was your own site, and you set the rules... sure I could see you being upset when some posters didn't follow them.

However, since that is not the case... perhaps we should let the moderators do the moderating. 

If the posts seem like "unconstructive drivel" you could always just NOT read them. 

Originally posted by krieblood

Its no the system that makes darkfall a bad game. its the community being complete Pussys that make it a bad game. lets not get mixed up with system over puss players. the game would be awesome if everyone would leave starter towns instead of hiding under the towers and crafting with protected mats. the community make the game a boring Carebear fest.

Why because people are bitchs.

I believe the system is also broken, as pointed out by Hellmoob, but if blaming the "carebears" for everything makes you feel better...have at it.