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Sneakers05
Novice Member
Joined: 12/10/08
http://helpourfuture.blogspot.com/ save our future. |
Everquest 2 Vanguard Pirates of the burning sea
I know some of you will say well EQ2 and Vanguard ROCK now, they should of rocked at release or even a couple months after release, it took vanguard almost two years to get to acceptable http://helpourfuture.blogspot.com/ save our future. |
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5/27/09 2:40:46 PM#2
Do you need a detailed list of how they screwed them up or you just saying?
BTW SOE didn't screw up PotBS, PotBS screwed itself. |
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5/27/09 2:41:05 PM#3
I didn't like EQ2 from release, played for about 6 months and found the game very linear and confining. Still playing Vanguard and have since release. I doubt it would have survived if SoE hadn't picked it up and invested a lot of time in bug and performance fixes. Vanguard is the best PvE MMO available in my opinion. |
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5/27/09 2:42:23 PM#4
I haven't played Everquest 2 or the Pirates of the Burning Sea. But I did play Vanguard's free trial. The parlay system, or whatever it was called, was interesting for a while, until I got to a point where I wasn't getting quest updates from talking to people. It got so bad that I was going between 2 NPC's trying to get the quest to update that I just gave up on the game. Talk about frustrating. The combat was fun, and the game looked pretty for the most part (a bit bland in the starting isle in my opinion), but the cards I could have done without, or atleast let me get through the beginning of the game blasting stuff before you start making me sit down and play cards all day. |
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Czzarre
 Novice Member
Joined: 9/10/07
MMORPG Character Monuments ...When its time for your character to take a well deserved rest... |
5/27/09 2:44:38 PM#5
Originally posted by Sneakers05
Shrug. So you're unhappy with the fact that vanguard and EQ2 are solid games now? You're still upset with events that occured more than 3 years ago? If you dont like SOE, dont buy their games |
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Sneakers05
Novice Member
Joined: 12/10/08
http://helpourfuture.blogspot.com/ save our future. |
Originally posted by Czzarre
Shrug. So you're unhappy with the fact that vanguard and EQ2 are solid games now? You're still upset with events that occured more than 3 years ago? If you dont like SOE, dont buy their games
Vanguard is not a solid game, it is acceptable, not solid. EQ2 is a solid game now, but I am angry with the fact that EQ2 should be up there against WoW in popularity and players. I just do not understand how SOE could screw up the sequel to one of the most popular well known mmorpgs. http://helpourfuture.blogspot.com/ save our future. |
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5/27/09 2:48:46 PM#7
Originally posted by Nedax
They did not force you to do diplo. You could have skipped it completely if you wanted. Some people don't start it until they are max level in everything else first. |
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5/27/09 2:54:35 PM#8
EQ2 - wanted to push technology more than gameplay and it backfired horribly, also should have delayed a couple months instead of moving up a couple weeks to beat WoW to launch. SOE has done a great job improving EQ2 since. Vanguard - was not made by SOE, Vanguard's failure is a result of poor leadership by Brad McQuaid. SOE has done a great job improving Vanguard, although very slowly. PotBS - another MMO that SOE didnt develop yet they get blamed for it. SOE took a very hands off approach with Sigil and Flying Lab and look where it got SOE. |
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talismen351
 Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/01/07
"Easy" only equals "better" for crack addicts and MMORPG developers. |
5/27/09 2:57:15 PM#9
Originally posted by Sneakers05
Well glad to see you are ok Sneakers....I haven't seen a troll post for a couple days from you taking the time to bash Vanguard or other games. Thought maybe you left the forums or something...what a shame that would be.
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5/27/09 2:59:31 PM#10
Originally posted by Xiaoki
This. These SOE Trolls realy should learn about what they are talking about. There is Plenty of Reason to hate SOE but Blameing them for Vanguard and Potbs is Silly. If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. |
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5/27/09 3:01:14 PM#11
You cant forget about Star Wars Galaxies! They committed suicide with the Combat Upgrade and New Game Experience! especially after the NGE, they totally f*cked up the timeline! When SWTOR releases, SWG will be able to RIP 
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patrikd23
 Novice Member
Joined: 10/17/04
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. |
5/27/09 3:05:13 PM#12
Originally posted by Sneakers05
What he wants to say "probably" is that if SOE cared enough and used some money and effort to into fixing stuff and and also listened to players and used some brains everything they make wouldnt turn to crap in the first place. I think they need to fire some people and hire new employees because the ones they got now isnt doing their jobs or dont seem to have any inovating thinking at all. The might aswell switch programs and start working with gamemaker and have 1 employee. Because the way they use their money atm is a big waste. |
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5/27/09 3:09:39 PM#13
I would replace Vanguard with SWG. TBH...SWG should be at the top of SOE screwups as it is an acedemic study on what NOT to do with an MMO. -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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5/27/09 3:11:46 PM#14
Originally posted by Delta17
This is the only thing I blame SOE for. I think they learned their lesson, and so did a lot of other game devs. G A M I N G . O N L I N E . S I N C E |1995| |
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5/27/09 3:12:49 PM#15
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
This. These SOE Trolls realy should learn about what they are talking about. There is Plenty of Reason to hate SOE but Blameing them for Vanguard and Potbs is Silly.
I was going to say the same thing. SOE did not develop Vangaurd or PotBS. |
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5/27/09 3:14:30 PM#16
Originally posted by Delta17
Because Lucasarts had nothing to do with that. LA never makes a bad game or movie or any sort of bad decision. Because it makes more sense from Sony's perspective to tinker with a solid game like SWG (at that time) then to tinker with a floundering game like EQ2 (at that time). It's not like LA isn't already getting their hands all over TOR
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5/27/09 3:16:30 PM#17
Originally posted by MindTrigger
This is the only thing I blame SOE for. I think they learned their lesson, and so did a lot of other game devs.
Not really...atleast in regards to SWG. -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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5/27/09 3:17:59 PM#18
Originally posted by Interitus
Because Lucasarts had nothing to do with that. LA never makes a bad game or movie or any sort of bad decision. Because it makes more sense from Sony's perspective to tinker with a solid game like SWG (at that time) then to tinker with a floundering game like EQ2 (at that time). It's not like LA isn't already getting their hands all over TOR
LA's sin was trusting SOE and approving the changes. -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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5/27/09 3:21:31 PM#19
SIgil was the developer and downfall for Vanguard Flying Labs was/is the developer for POTBS EQ2 is a great game, which only downfall is they wanted a more technologically advanced game (for their time) and was launched just prior to WoW (3 weeks) SWG was the only fault of SOE, but LA had their hands HEAVILY in it and was a part of the downfall (if not the majority of it) Matrix is another game which SOE did NOT develope, and was given to them to take over developement, but it was already a lost cause So, in part, SOE haters really need to learn about the history of a game before bashing them
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5/27/09 3:23:54 PM#20
Originally posted by Valeran
LA's sin was trusting SOE and approving the changes.
do you blame an employee when he goes to a supervisor with an idea, and the supervisor impliments it, no matter how good or bad it is? No, it's the supervisor's job and responsibility to use good ideas and bad ideas.....becuase soe wanted to try a different approach, it was still LAs responsibility to have the foresight to say yay or nay....and with people like "I don't like to read" Macintyre running the show, i place the blame firmly on LA's shoulders
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