Originally posted by thadenge

Thanks for all of the feedback, definitely sounds like I will get my money's worth (ha ha, since I got the gift card for taking a survey it ends up being free), if at the end of the month I'm bored or don't like it anymore I can walk away without feeling like I was fleeced or anything and it sounds like it will at least keep my interest for that long.

 

One more question, after Tortage how much "mature" content is there (like the quests in Tortage dealing with the whorehouse or the virgin blood thing or what have you).  I try to get my kids involved in whatever game I'm playing and while my 15 year-old is old enough to handle anything, my 11 year-old isn't so much.  I could get him around the quests in Tortage that I think are questionable, but how much more is there going forward? (the blood and guts aren't a big deal, like most boys his age he thinks that stuff is cool and the more the better lol).  Its not a huge deal, I could carry two mmo subscriptions if I had to (the other one at the moment being Warhammer), I'd just rather not if I can help it.

 

Thanks again for the help!

As some other folks mentioned, the real trick is to get out of the starter area and into the main part of the game.

Tortage was fun for me the first time around, but when it came to rolling alts I was annoyed that i had to roll that same content again and again. (this may have changed by now)

So in my case, I thought the game really became fun once I got out into the 'real' game world, but other follks are sometimes disappointed the whole game doesn't play like the tutotial.

I left long ago, but I hear the game is pretty fun now, and probably well worth your effort to give it a try.

Originally posted by blueturtle13

Well other than some random innuendo in some text quests your boys should be fine since you are ok with them playing with the blood and gore. Here and there there are some things but over all I think as some reviewers have stated it really could easliy be a pg-13 game. Glad you are liking the game. Welcome aboard =)

Thanks, he will be overjoyed to hear that.  The idea of cutting an enemy's head off every once in a while has got him hooked before he's even played a minute (that's admittedly a little disturbing lol).  So as long as I'm careful to "guide" him through Tortage it sounds like we'll be in good shape.

Though there's a pretty good chance I'll end up with subs to both WAR and AoC...just have to remind my wife that I could have much more expensive hobbies and that 30/mth isn't much to pay at all to keep the kids and me quiet! ;)

Originally posted by catlana

The above poster has not played in quite awhile obviously. Hint there was a content patch specifically for 55 - 70. I would actually advise reading the official forums there are alot of helpful peeps in the newcomer boards.

 

Questing is fine all the way up to 80 with one exception. Level 72 to 80 on a pvp server is pretty brutual because everybody is in Kesh. At level 72, you will go red to 80s. The new content in 1.05 (Tarantia Commans) hopefully will pull some of them out of Kesh. 
 

I would however recomend getting a group for Black Castle in Stygia in your early 30s. The Pyramid of the Ancients is a very fun solo dungeon that gives you a cloak for your late thirties as well. Sanctum runs will be pretty commanly availible in your 40s and so on.

Good luck and have fun!

 

You obviously take 6 months to level. 55 to 70 content is only enough for 1-2 days and it is not fun anymore at that level to push combos anymore. Fun stops way before that and that's where people should roll an alt.

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by blueturtle13

Almost all mmo's release with features not included or bugs galore that is just the nature of the genre. The game at release is not the final product. MMO's are designed that way. Conan had it's issues but the game is a great ride. If you say well there is nothing to do at cap well you still had fun getting there right? If so than what is the point? Everyone gets tired of a game at some point. I like Conan and will play it until I am tired of it and then move on. Like everyone does. Playing an mmo doesnt mean you have to stay with it after you level a toon to the cap or a few alts to cap. Or, hell, any toon to the level cap. If you had fun while it lasted then you got your money worth ;)

Can I just be the 1st to say ..."ehh?"

I will give you as much as it isnt the final product but other than that your post is total nonsense,I was going to paste and answer the stupid things you said but I think there is no need,it is clear to see for everyone reading without my imput.

The only thing obvious here is your vendetta towards anyone who enjoys the game. His post was completely relevant and you're a moron if you can't see that.
 

There, is that enough "imput" for you?

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by blueturtle13

Almost all mmo's release with features not included or bugs galore that is just the nature of the genre. The game at release is not the final product. MMO's are designed that way. Conan had it's issues but the game is a great ride. If you say well there is nothing to do at cap well you still had fun getting there right? If so than what is the point? Everyone gets tired of a game at some point. I like Conan and will play it until I am tired of it and then move on. Like everyone does. Playing an mmo doesnt mean you have to stay with it after you level a toon to the cap or a few alts to cap. Or, hell, any toon to the level cap. If you had fun while it lasted then you got your money worth ;)

Can I just be the 1st to say ..."ehh?"

I will give you as much as it isnt the final product but other than that your post is total nonsense,I was going to paste and answer the stupid things you said but I think there is no need,it is clear to see for everyone reading without my imput.

The only thing obvious here is your vendetta towards anyone who enjoys the game. His post was completely relevant and you're a moron if you can't see that.
 

There, is that enough "imput" for you?

Maybe you can point out were my vendetta is against AoC?

If you check my posting history you will see that I enoyed my time in AoC but it was very dull at end level.The only point I was making is that mmo's should not release with "bugs galore" this is a new trend in mmo's and is down to lazy devs or bad accounts that didnt budget enough money/time for devoplement  for the game and it gets pushed out far to early,AoC is a very good example of this,if it released today in the shape it is in it would have done alot better and the last year could have been spent on end game content rather than fixing all the bugs and missing content from say 50-80.

Also most people like to play a mmo for a long long time,not just quit when you hit end level or quit even before end level,then they would just play single player game's,Alot of people you will see asking such things as "looking for a new mmo to call home" that is because like I said they spend along time in that game.

Also name calling on the internet is so 2001,try to keep up.

Originally posted by daylight01

If you check my posting history you will see that I enoyed my time in AoC but it was very dull at end level.The only point I was making is that mmo's should not release with "bugs galore" this is a new trend in mmo's and is down to lazy devs or bad accounts that didnt budget enough money/time for devoplement  for the game and it gets pushed out far to early,AoC is a very good example of this,if it released today in the shape it is in it would have done alot better and the last year could have been spent on end game content rather than fixing all the bugs and missing content from say 50-80.

Also most people like to play a mmo for a long long time,not just quit when you hit end level or quit even before end level,then they would just play single player game's,Alot of people you will see asking such things as "looking for a new mmo to call home" that is because like I said they spend along time in that game.

Also name calling on the internet is so 2001,try to keep up.

Eh, have to disagree here.  Just about every MMO had massive bugs and lacked endgame content on release (with the possible exception of LOTRO...that game was more polished when I was in closed beta than most are on release, it just didn't have much in the way of endgame content), even WoW (I started 3 months after release and there were still massive bugs and performance problems and endgame wasn't exactly great).  The difference is that thanks to WoW and some other factors, our expectations have changed (which is a good thing IMO) and the devs have yet to grow with us.  At this point you'd better release a good product, that does what you said it would do in your marketing or it better be F2P beta until you get your act together.  The customers have matured (if you don't count forum postings lol) and the industry hasn't yet.  Until the devs catch up with us, this story is going to be repeated over and over again.

As for me, I just resign myself to not even thinking about buying a new MMO until its been out for at least 6 months and the price of the box is down to the point where I don't feel like I've been robbed if I only play a month or 2.  Eventually the industry will hopefully mature enough that I'll actually be able to buy a MMO on release day, until then, they don't get my hard-earned money until the game is proven and "fixed".

Back to the original subject, thanks again for all of the feedback about AoC (good and bad--I like hearing both sides of the issue).

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by alacres

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by blueturtle13

Almost all mmo's release with features not included or bugs galore that is just the nature of the genre. The game at release is not the final product. MMO's are designed that way. Conan had it's issues but the game is a great ride. If you say well there is nothing to do at cap well you still had fun getting there right? If so than what is the point? Everyone gets tired of a game at some point. I like Conan and will play it until I am tired of it and then move on. Like everyone does. Playing an mmo doesnt mean you have to stay with it after you level a toon to the cap or a few alts to cap. Or, hell, any toon to the level cap. If you had fun while it lasted then you got your money worth ;)

Can I just be the 1st to say ..."ehh?"

I will give you as much as it isnt the final product but other than that your post is total nonsense,I was going to paste and answer the stupid things you said but I think there is no need,it is clear to see for everyone reading without my imput.

The only thing obvious here is your vendetta towards anyone who enjoys the game. His post was completely relevant and you're a moron if you can't see that.
 

There, is that enough "imput" for you?

Maybe you can point out were my vendetta is against AoC?

If you check my posting history you will see that I enoyed my time in AoC but it was very dull at end level.The only point I was making is that mmo's should not release with "bugs galore" this is a new trend in mmo's and is down to lazy devs or bad accounts that didnt budget enough money/time for devoplement  for the game and it gets pushed out far to early,AoC is a very good example of this,if it released today in the shape it is in it would have done alot better and the last year could have been spent on end game content rather than fixing all the bugs and missing content from say 50-80.

Also most people like to play a mmo for a long long time,not just quit when you hit end level or quit even before end level,then they would just play single player game's,Alot of people you will see asking such things as "looking for a new mmo to call home" that is because like I said they spend along time in that game.

Also name calling on the internet is so 2001,try to keep up.

Well, if you enjoyed your time playing AoC intially then you just proved his point. Saying that "most" people expect to play an mmo for a long time is purely speculation. I, myself, know of many that don't take online games that seriously and only play them until something else interesting comes along. The point he was making was that, you paid your money for the game, you enjoyed the time you spent playing it, therefore, that should be worth something, and in reality, it is. Saying that his post is "nonsense" is nonsense in itself.
 

As for games releasing with or without bugs - Suffice it so say that you probably can't name one single mmo that released bug free, so I don't see the point in dwelling on something that is inevitable in most online games. For what it's worth, considering how many bugs AoC had at release, Funcom has done a pretty nice job eliminating many of the most dire ones, and while there's still a lot of work to be done, it will only be a matter of time before they have the majority of them ironed out. Sure, they could have waited longer and released a more solid product right from the start, but what's done is done. They made a bad decision, which is typical in online gaming it seems, and they paid the price for it. What IS admirable is the effort they're making to remedy the mistakes.

Oh, is that a fact? Well, maybe you can remember that when you're calling someone's posts "stupid", in the future. Try taking your own advice before giving it to others.

 Well it isnt the samething enjoying the game but having to leave as the game had nothing more to offer me,I would prefer to stay in a mmo for 2-3 years if not longer and not just 2-3 weeks or months,When I do buy mmo's it isnt for the short term I can get that with off-line game's.

You are right maybe it is me speculating about other player's,I will re-phrase that to "most of the player's I know  in real life or through gaming do prefer to stay with the mmo for years and not weeks or months"

On the bugs bit,games like LoTR and WoW released with bugs but I wouldnt go anywhere near the "bugs galore" AoC and VG were down right unplayable at release and I dont think players should be thinking it is just the way of the beast that mmo titles release in that state.

Originally posted by daylight01

 Well it isnt the samething enjoying the game but having to leave as the game had nothing more to offer me,I would prefer to stay in a mmo for 2-3 years if not longer and not just 2-3 weeks or months,When I do buy mmo's it isnt for the short term I can get that with off-line game's.

You are right maybe it is me speculating about other player's,I will re-phrase that to "most of the player's I know  in real life or through gaming do prefer to stay with the mmo for years and not weeks or months"

On the bugs bit,games like LoTR and WoW released with bugs but I wouldnt go anywhere near the "bugs galore" AoC and VG were down right unplayable at release and I dont think players should be thinking it is just the way of the beast that mmo titles release in that state.

Fair enough though mmo's do release with alot of bugs as do most games period. Vanguard and Conan are not the norm even for this genre. Most players I know dont play any game for years. Some people dont want to play for that long at all. Saying to play a single player game if that is what they want to do is not a viable option either because the gameplay in single player games is not the same. The social and group component is not there in those type of games even those like (my fave) Neverwinter Nights. I think it comes down to personal taste and personal ingame goals. There are so many mmo's out there now that some people dont want to stay with a game for years and years anymore. Some just want to experience the game, explore the world and have some fun. If that only takes them a few months to get their fill before they move to something else, well that is fine. A few months is still a long time to sit and play a game. Some people just want to take a vacation to an mmo world not move there.

Originally posted by clearSam

..., but the game only started for me at lvl40 +  

This. Personally I didn't enjoy tortage that much apart from underhalls daytime. The 40+ areas have much better atmosphere imo

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Originally posted by blueturtle13
Almost all mmo's release with features not included or bugs galore that is just the nature of the genre. The game at release is not the final product. MMO's are designed that way. Conan had it's issues but the game is a great ride. If you say well there is nothing to do at cap well you still had fun getting there right? If so than what is the point? Everyone gets tired of a game at some point. I like Conan and will play it until I am tired of it and then move on. Like everyone does. Playing an mmo doesnt mean you have to stay with it after you level a toon to the cap or a few alts to cap. Or, hell, any toon to the level cap. If you had fun while it lasted then you got your money worth ;)

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So what kinda person does that make you paying full price on a product that isnt a final product until sometime later? Pay to play beta tester? Investor? Cool. But not me, Im a consumer and I expect a finished product when I buy it. But thank you guys who took one for the team and paid the last year to develope this game, I might end up trying it.

unfinished product? oh common! I play since Day 1 and can say there were no errors and bugs that would make game unplayable - less fun. some of you guys forget too fast how the other mmo's launched.

this "AoC bugged to hell" started when few loayal WoW players came to AoC and what they have actually found was not their favourite WoW. then the dooming started and so many people followed. I enjoyed it from the beginning and enjoyed it for long time.

true, it is not a game for a lifetime, still it can offer tons of fun in group instances, mass pvp and even raiding. you will leave it when you have few capped chars and have raided everything, but the time spent in AoC is still worthy.

Past Tortage the Fanbois will always and have now for a year say the fixes are in the next patch.

 name some serious bugs.

One more question:  Which US PVE Server is at the moment the best one to start on (usually going to be playing between 7 and 11pm eastern during the week)?  Which one seems to have the most activity in the pre 60 areas during primetime?

Thanks.

Wiccana is my server and seems decently busy. I have heard that Set is also a well populated server as well.