One can guess the SWG disaster isn't totally due to SOE and LA might be also to be blamed.

So SOE might be unhappy with LA behavior letting them have all the shame.

I was wondering, what if SOE was secretly planning an evil move to bring back Pre-CU servers around the launch of TOR?

I expect LA and Bioware to be particularly ruthless as TOR draws nearer at least when it comes to protecting the chances of its success. SOE may well be on a short leash as it is - left with the assignment to babysit the vegetative game that is now SWG. While it is just my hunch and thus I cannot prove any of it with documentation - I would suspect that the contract renewal contained numerous clauses and requirements as safeguards for TOR.

That being said, a PreCU launch would grab many an intial subscription - it would not draw the numbers now that would be required for such an effort or the expense of hiring programmers to relearn and reinvent the system. By the time, TOR launches - SWG in any form would not threaten it. The only thing that can hurt that game is a bad launch, bad system implementation and poor consumer relations. If I were LA, those are the three that I would be focused on and scared of.

can soe launch precu servers without LA's approval? I wouldn't think so.

if $OE brings back the pre-cu tor is done for

i don't see ppl playing a lame class based game i see everyone going to the game that offers 32+ mix and match professions with more to do

Hokey content and ancient games are no match for a good new MMO at your screen, kid!

Yeah pretty lame but no way in hell will some old bug ridden crap effect TOR. Yes Pre-Cu was pretty good if they had fixed, balanced and added some content other than grinding FOTM builds.

Although it hasn't been stated, I suspect SOE will be losing it's Lucas license. Bioware would not spend the money it has without some kind of provision in that regard.

Originally posted by stillkillin

if $OE brings back the pre-cu tor is done for

i don't see ppl playing a lame class based game i see everyone going to the game that offers 32+ mix and match professions with more to do

Why all the hate? You can easily play SWG pre-cu for free now as well as play TOR when it get's released. Honestly it will be the best of both worlds.

Apples and Oranges.  Anyone who would be interested in playing Classic SWG, like me, probably doesn't care much about SWTOR since it's just another theme-park with a Star Wars skin slapped on.

There's really no point in discussing this anyway.  The current SWG dev team cannot go back and learn the code base of the classic servers in any sensible amount of time, nor could a skeleton staff (compared to the original) maintain / fix it due to the scale of it all.  Remember, one of the main goals of the NGE, besides being more like WoW, was to make the codebase more manageable.  As much as I loved pre-nge SWG, SOE bit off more then they could chew with the original design.  I believe it could be done much more efficiently now with programming and technology evolving, but back then it was a nightmare for them to try to balance, maintain, expand and bug-fix

I doubt pre-cu swg would really affect TOR. To many vets...some would return...while many of those who never played pre-cu would leave in favor of a simpler level-based game...(TOR would be their first choice). So I imagine no matter what $OE does with the game...it will pretty much stay at a lower population.

Even if they did go with pre-cu servers...would you really want to dump your money with them again? After all they could very well do the same thing all over again, deciding what is best for the players...wether the players liked it or not.

Originally posted by Deewe

One can guess the SWG disaster isn't totally due to SOE and LA might be also to be blamed.

 

So SOE might unhappy with LA behavior letting them have all the shame.

 

I was wondering, what if SOE was secretly planning an evil move to bring back Pre-CU servers around the launch of TOR?

SWG sold 1.5mil boxes, had 400k subs at it's PEAK....... it's now a 5 year old game no-one really gives two shits about, even if it brought back in everyone that ever played the game BioWare have bigger fish to fry, they're going after Blizzard.

Originally posted by Deewe

One can guess the SWG disaster isn't totally due to SOE and LA might be also to be blamed.

 

So SOE might unhappy with LA behavior letting them have all the shame.

 

I was wondering, what if SOE was secretly planning an evil move to bring back Pre-CU servers around the launch of TOR?

John Smedley has already responded to this in an interview he gave to Massivity.com (Michael Zenke) on October 27, 2008 where he states that when TOR does come out Galaxies will be "sunset".  The only way Galaxies would remain would be if the subscriber base does not fall any lower than it already has after TOR goes live.  There was no mention of bringing back a pre-cu version or in anyway competing with TOR let alone WOW.  Smedley is just waiting for a reason to pull the plug and move resources to other projects. 

pre cu cannot happen without LA's approval...the end

NGE is not the problem with SWG.  Its the lack of content, poor implementation, terrible animations and because its just plain dull.  It failed to grab the SW crowd because it isn't any of the things people like SW for.  Hell this is the game EQ2 designers said wasn't up to what they wanted for EQ2.  And EQ2 at launch was not very good.  This is coming from someone that played SWG at launch for a good long while.  Against EQ1 it was competitive, today its a dead horse.

I'm sure Bioware is shaking in their boots over this possibility.......LOL.

Something tells me TOR has nothing to fear from a 6 year old "Composite Armor Rifleman Wars".

Call it a hunch.

It was fun and a good contender for the technology of the time, but it has little to offer other than Jedi that can't jump.

Originally posted by Heidi

Originally posted by Deewe

One can guess the SWG disaster isn't totally due to SOE and LA might be also to be blamed.

 

So SOE might unhappy with LA behavior letting them have all the shame.

 

I was wondering, what if SOE was secretly planning an evil move to bring back Pre-CU servers around the launch of TOR?

 

John Smedley has already responded to this in an interview he gave to Massivity.com (Michael Zenke) on October 27, 2008 where he states that when TOR does come out Galaxies will be "sunset".  The only way Galaxies would remain would be if the subscriber base does not fall any lower than it already has after TOR goes live.  There was no mention of bringing back a pre-cu version or in anyway competing with TOR let alone WOW.  Smedley is just waiting for a reason to pull the plug and move resources to other projects. 

/shakefist

you are making me defend Smed...

He didn't say it would be sunset...he stated that they would see what would happen when TOR comes out and sunset was a possibliity.  I am paraphrasing of course.

Originally posted by Valeran

Originally posted by Heidi

Originally posted by Deewe

One can guess the SWG disaster isn't totally due to SOE and LA might be also to be blamed.

 

So SOE might unhappy with LA behavior letting them have all the shame.

 

I was wondering, what if SOE was secretly planning an evil move to bring back Pre-CU servers around the launch of TOR?

 

John Smedley has already responded to this in an interview he gave to Massivity.com (Michael Zenke) on October 27, 2008 where he states that when TOR does come out Galaxies will be "sunset".  The only way Galaxies would remain would be if the subscriber base does not fall any lower than it already has after TOR goes live.  There was no mention of bringing back a pre-cu version or in anyway competing with TOR let alone WOW.  Smedley is just waiting for a reason to pull the plug and move resources to other projects. 

 

/shakefist

you are making me defend Smed...

He didn't say it would be sunset...he stated that they would see what would happen when TOR comes out and sunset was a possibliity.  I am paraphrasing of course.

I apoligize.  He did say the word "possibility".  He also said that he could not wait to play TOR when it came out.  I simply put two and two together.  How demoralizing must it be for the SOE corporation to know that its CEO is more interested in playing a Bioware mmo of star wars instead of an SOE version of star wars.  I predict that the word "possiblity" will be come alot more permanent as we get closer to lauch of TOR.
 

lol....SWG will not be losing its license....

Originally posted by britzban

lol....SWG will not be losing its license....

lol...you don't know that they won't anymore than someone thinking that they will...

Originally posted by Heidi

Originally posted by Valeran

Originally posted by Heidi

Originally posted by Deewe

One can guess the SWG disaster isn't totally due to SOE and LA might be also to be blamed.

 

So SOE might unhappy with LA behavior letting them have all the shame.

 

I was wondering, what if SOE was secretly planning an evil move to bring back Pre-CU servers around the launch of TOR?

 

John Smedley has already responded to this in an interview he gave to Massivity.com (Michael Zenke) on October 27, 2008 where he states that when TOR does come out Galaxies will be "sunset".  The only way Galaxies would remain would be if the subscriber base does not fall any lower than it already has after TOR goes live.  There was no mention of bringing back a pre-cu version or in anyway competing with TOR let alone WOW.  Smedley is just waiting for a reason to pull the plug and move resources to other projects. 

 

/shakefist

you are making me defend Smed...

He didn't say it would be sunset...he stated that they would see what would happen when TOR comes out and sunset was a possibliity.  I am paraphrasing of course.

I apoligize.  He did say the word "possibility".  He also said that he could not wait to play TOR when it came out.  I simply put two and two together.  How demoralizing must it be for the SOE corporation to know that its CEO is more interested in playing a Bioware mmo of star wars instead of an SOE version of star wars.  I predict that the word "possiblity" will be come alot more permanent as we get closer to lauch of TOR.
 

He must be getting bored with playing WoW.

Originally posted by PreCU

can soe launch precu servers without LA's approval? I wouldn't think so.

I wouldn't think so either.  Also, I wouldn't touch any version of SWG if it was being run by the same guy that butchered it the first time, or the second time, or the third time...
 

Even is $OE started pre cu servers myself and a lot of ex-players friends would not go back, 99% of my friends say no they wont.

But it would be great for the ones that would.

Myself i am done with starwars, i don't even buy the books any more, or the games that they release!

SOE has one license to make one mmo based on Star Wars. They replaced the old SWG withthe NGE, effectively continuing to have only one game running under their one license. Pre-cu and NGE are two different games, thus it would require two licenses, which LA would most definitely not gran now due to the Bioware mmo.To have pre-cu servers, they would have to NGE the NGE'ers. Even SOE isn't that stupid. Yes, Smedley is that stupid. But luckily Smedley now has bosses looking over his shoulder.

There is no way SOE could compete with Bioware and for that matter are the games really not going for the same group of players either.

The impact on TOR would be minimal, the "sanbox" fans won't play TOR anyways. Also SWG is 6 years old now, that is a long time for a computergame so I really doubt that it's subs will go up that much whatever the do. Trying to repair a misstake you did with a game 5 years after is just not possible.

But it would make a few people here happy so I am not against it of course, but I just think that they should have done it 3 months after they messed the game up if at all. SWG is not dead but it sure ain't healthy either.

TOR will change a lot of things for the genre, it and World of darkness online will make a huge impact on a genre that have been almost the same for many years.

It will never happen.  Too much time and effort involved in making the change and time/effort = money.  SOE is not willing to push more cash into an SWG project that will most likely just become a dark void/vacuum once SW: tOR launches.

The only way this would work... reboot SWG entirely.  Wipe all servers and completely start over.  I don't think anyone currently playing the game would go for that. 

Personally, I've had multiple accounts, Elder Jedi, blah, blah, blah... and yes, I'd vote for a complete reboot of the game IF it meant the original combat system, professions, and 'levelling system'. 

Bottomline though, what I miss most about SWG are my friends and playing the game with them.  Since the launches of the CU and NGE, I haven't really seen many of them playing.  Technical changes in the game drove my friends away, but I'm not sure (at this point) that technical changes would bring them back.  I'd love to say it would, but I just don't think so. 

SOE burned their player base and destroyed any sense of loyalty we had.  I have zero faith in SOE, and  this carries over to their other titles... not just SWG.

Again, I doubt preCU servers would really do much to SW:tOR, mostly because it just won't ever happen.

And yeah, Smed is a turd of a human being.