Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Orthedos

A reviewer does not need to bother play it, he just need to play enough to formulate his opinion.  You might need 6 years to know DF stinks, he does not.  That makes him the reviewer not you.  That is why he is hire and got paid, while you have to pay and play.  Its your own decision to agree with his review or not, that does not change the fact that he does his job, his employer agrees with it, and its done.  He got paid, job done period.

The duration YOU need to formulate an opinion does not apply to others.  It would take you 20 years to figure out how to sing a song, so no one can sing a song till they have been trying for 20 years?  Interesting.

 

welp, if someone is reviewing a game like darkfall; then, i definitely expect to hear how the following items work:

 

1 sieging, both attacking and defending.  this is the CORE part of the game - controlling land.

2 what is involved with character development?  is it a boring-assed-slow-grind/macro-fest?

3 the game is new, what changes have occurred.  did exploiters get banned?  or, are there tons of exploiters/cheaters that have a HUGE ingame advantage because they took advantage of cheats for 1-2 months, while other people played the game honestly?  this is what has occured in darkfall.  if you played honest - your character completely sucks in comparison to the cheaters.

4 what part does equipment / ingame character skills play, in comparison to my skill as a player?  if an exploit/cheat character can hit me in the front, for 40+ damage, and i, hitting from the back, can only do 8 damage...  then, this says that it's NOT my skill as a player,  and instead, this game is either equipment-centric or macroed-skill-centric, or a combination of both.  in darkfall's case... it's both of the latter, and honestly-- if you've got lots of those two, you need very little player skill.

 

so, do any reviews cover these items?

 

if they do, and they can't see the horrible brokeness i've pointed out in this post and others -- then they need to stop reviewing, and just call it a blog post.

Aye, if I am reviewing a game that does play out like one, I will go from character creation to starting zone.  I will level up to say 20s for a max of 60 say, and see if the game is consistent and coherent.  It will take too long to get to max lvl, max gear and raid.  It simply won't be possible for a reviewer to put out a review 6 months into the game.  Lvl 20/60 is reasonable.  Assuming a normal game.

But DF is not a normal game.  Its a broken game.  EG review is a case illustrated.  The review finds everything in the game broken.  HIS VIEW, not yours.  He forced himself to play for up to 9 hours (I don't give a damn Tasos say 2 hours.  Tasos can go to hell when it comes to creditability).  Then he throws up.  The game is killing his sanity.

So he starts writing.  He immediately told us his bias, he hate the game.  He then proceed to tell us that in spite of his hatred, he has to play for a few more hours, as part of his job, then he wrote.

To us, that is a strong message.  This game is unbearable to at least 1 person on earth, a few hours in.  Be warned.  That is all that I read, one person hates it.  Now 10ton wrote another note here, saying someone thinks, "if you can survive the starting hours, you MIGHT like it".  Not totally inconsistent with Zit, he cannot survive the starting hours, cos he want his sanity back.

Now is that the end of info?  NO.  There are piles after piles of deadbodies emerging from the DF community.  People driven to despair to madness to anger to frustration, people previous big fans.  Against the piles of warning, there are a few odd voices who try to defend DF but using totally meaningless spins.

That is how I read it up to date.  The two so call reviews each showed us an aspect.  They are NOT the only basis for judgment, new message are coming out of DFland everyday, the bad news totally drowning the good ones.  I do not need any one review to touch upon all the aspects you mentioned.  Each and every voice touched upon some of the aspects, and they overlap and supplement each other to form a fuller picture for me.  Enough to make a decision.

Originally posted by Lydon

I'd like to give Darkfall a try, but I'm afraid that it will turn into Vanguard the second for me. I had high hopes for that one, as it promised the world, but it ended up being an unpolished and extremely buggy piece of work that shouldn't have been released. 

Considering I've hearing about how bug-ridden and exploitable Darkfall is, after all those years of development, my incentive to play it has diminished even more. If it took them that long to make what they've given us, is there any hope for their future developments doing the game justice? Will new content be polished? Will all of the current content ever be polished? So many questions I shouldn't need to ponder before picking up a game. 

Its very simple

If you like a full loot open pvp game with a steep learning curve and a massive open world, you will enjoy DF.

If you like casual gameplay with quests, pve, and linear gameplay, you will give this game a 2/10

It all depends on what you like.  I love it when people give their "opinion" as fact about a game.  Some people would rate wow a 2/10 others would rate it a 9/10.  It doesnt matter.

Originally posted by Xemous

Originally posted by Lydon

I'd like to give Darkfall a try, but I'm afraid that it will turn into Vanguard the second for me. I had high hopes for that one, as it promised the world, but it ended up being an unpolished and extremely buggy piece of work that shouldn't have been released. 

Considering I've hearing about how bug-ridden and exploitable Darkfall is, after all those years of development, my incentive to play it has diminished even more. If it took them that long to make what they've given us, is there any hope for their future developments doing the game justice? Will new content be polished? Will all of the current content ever be polished? So many questions I shouldn't need to ponder before picking up a game. 

 

Its very simple

If you like a full loot open pvp game with a steep learning curve and a massive open world, you will enjoy DF.

If you like casual gameplay with quests, pve, and linear gameplay, you will give this game a 2/10

It all depends on what you like.  I love it when people give their "opinion" as fact about a game.  Some people would rate wow a 2/10 others would rate it a 9/10.  It doesnt matter.

The only Learning curve in Darkfall is learning to marco without getting caught.  Other then that, aim and click your mouse ... what is this steep learning curve you speak of?

I love PvP full loot with a huge massive open sandbox world and I did not enjoy Darkfall at all,,, it was not done when I played it and yet they wanted me to spend money on it............. No thanks, it was bugging and missing features in beta and still is today.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Orthedos

A reviewer does not need to bother play it, he just need to play enough to formulate his opinion.  You might need 6 years to know DF stinks, he does not.  That makes him the reviewer not you.  That is why he is hire and got paid, while you have to pay and play.  Its your own decision to agree with his review or not, that does not change the fact that he does his job, his employer agrees with it, and its done.  He got paid, job done period.

The duration YOU need to formulate an opinion does not apply to others.  It would take you 20 years to figure out how to sing a song, so no one can sing a song till they have been trying for 20 years?  Interesting.

 

welp, if someone is reviewing a game like darkfall; then, i definitely expect to hear how the following items work:

 

1 sieging, both attacking and defending.  this is the CORE part of the game - controlling land.

2 what is involved with character development?  is it a boring-assed-slow-grind/macro-fest?

3 the game is new, what changes have occurred.  did exploiters get banned?  or, are there tons of exploiters/cheaters that have a HUGE ingame advantage because they took advantage of cheats for 1-2 months, while other people played the game honestly?  this is what has occured in darkfall.  if you played honest - your character completely sucks in comparison to the cheaters.

4 what part does equipment / ingame character skills play, in comparison to my skill as a player?  if an exploit/cheat character can hit me in the front, for 40+ damage, and i, hitting from the back, can only do 8 damage...  then, this says that it's NOT my skill as a player,  and instead, this game is either equipment-centric or macroed-skill-centric, or a combination of both.  in darkfall's case... it's both of the latter, and honestly-- if you've got lots of those two, you need very little player skill.

 

so, do any reviews cover these items?

 

if they do, and they can't see the horrible brokeness i've pointed out in this post and others -- then they need to stop reviewing, and just call it a blog post.

 

Aye, if I am reviewing a game that does play out like one, I will go from character creation to starting zone.  I will level up to say 20s for a max of 60 say, and see if the game is consistent and coherent.  It will take too long to get to max lvl, max gear and raid.  It simply won't be possible for a reviewer to put out a review 6 months into the game.  Lvl 20/60 is reasonable.  Assuming a normal game.

But DF is not a normal game.  Its a broken game.  EG review is a case illustrated.  The review finds everything in the game broken.  HIS VIEW, not yours.  He forced himself to play for up to 9 hours (I don't give a damn Tasos say 2 hours.  Tasos can go to hell when it comes to creditability).  Then he throws up.  The game is killing his sanity.

So he starts writing.  He immediately told us his bias, he hate the game.  He then proceed to tell us that in spite of his hatred, he has to play for a few more hours, as part of his job, then he wrote.

To us, that is a strong message.  This game is unbearable to at least 1 person on earth, a few hours in.  Be warned.  That is all that I read, one person hates it.  Now 10ton wrote another note here, saying someone thinks, "if you can survive the starting hours, you MIGHT like it".  Not totally inconsistent with Zit, he cannot survive the starting hours, cos he want his sanity back.

Now is that the end of info?  NO.  There are piles after piles of deadbodies emerging from the DF community.  People driven to despair to madness to anger to frustration, people previous big fans.  Against the piles of warning, there are a few odd voices who try to defend DF but using totally meaningless spins.

That is how I read it up to date.  The two so call reviews each showed us an aspect.  They are NOT the only basis for judgment, new message are coming out of DFland everyday, the bad news totally drowning the good ones.  I do not need any one review to touch upon all the aspects you mentioned.  Each and every voice touched upon some of the aspects, and they overlap and supplement each other to form a fuller picture for me.  Enough to make a decision.

don't get me wrong - i agree that DF is horrible and incomplete.

do i play it and have fun?  yes, i do.  but that has to do with IRL friends playing it.  i've never stopped playing eve.  if my friends get bored with DF (which will happen sooner than later, unless DF starts making GOOD changes, instead of half-assed band aids); then, i'll very probably leave.   endless macroing and grinding is not my idea of a good time.   and yes, you can play without that... but don't expect to be worth a damn in a pvp fight.

if you didn't start playing (and by playing, i mean macroing and exploiting) as soon as the limited-paid-beta-release began; then, you're 6+ months behind the exploiters - stat/skill-wise.  and that directly correlates to equipment, and the two combined VASTLY outnumber individual player skill.

i just don't understand how people can play this game, and give it rave reviews... unless they're children, or perhaps mentally challenged, have incredibly low standards (don't give me the unique game garbage - 90% of the uniqueness has been cut from the game), they've just never played this "type" of game before (i.e. fps or mmo).

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Xemous

Its very simple

If you like a full loot open pvp game with a steep learning curve and a massive open world, you will enjoy DF.

If you like casual gameplay with quests, pve, and linear gameplay, you will give this game a 2/10

It all depends on what you like.  I love it when people give their "opinion" as fact about a game.  Some people would rate wow a 2/10 others would rate it a 9/10.  It doesnt matter.

The only Learning curve in Darkfall is learning to marco without getting caught.  Other then that, aim and click your mouse ... what is this steep learning curve you speak of?

I love PvP full loot with a huge massive open sandbox world and I did not enjoy Darkfall at all,,, it was not done when I played it and yet they wanted me to spend money on it............. No thanks, it was bugging and missing features in beta and still is today.

I completely agree with you TdogSkal.  I also would enjoy what Darkfall was supposed to be, but the actual Darkfall game is nothing that I would be interested in.

Maybe Xemous should have said the following:

If you like a full loot open pvp game with a horrible UI, broken siege mechanics, seemingly no protection against hacking, bad FPS style combat, where equipment matters more than player skill and missing most of the unique advertised features, then you might like Darkfall.

If you like a complete, polished game that has most of the advertised features that are listed on the game's website and a development team that actually cares about player feedback, then you probably won't like Darkfall.

Originally posted by Xemous 

Its very simple

If you like a full loot open pvp game with a steep learning curve and a massive open world, you will enjoy DF.

If you like casual gameplay with quests, pve, and linear gameplay, you will give this game a 2/10

It all depends on what you like.  I love it when people give their "opinion" as fact about a game.  Some people would rate wow a 2/10 others would rate it a 9/10.  It doesnt matter.

My concern has nothing to do with the core game. I, for one, enjoy both quest-based games like WoW and the games like Darkfall promises to be. What I am worried about is Aventurine's commitment to the game. It took them so long to get it out of the door. When they finally did, they were holding a sort of paid server stress test by opening sales in short waves to test how much the servers could handle. Now, a few months later, I decide to see what's potting with the game, so I visit the website only to see it hasn't been updated in ages? What's going on?

If they don't have something as simple as their website giving regular updates etc. then I can't imagine their content delivery being nearly on-par with the industry average. They just seem to have their own slow and stubborn way of doing things. If their site was up and running like any normal game's, sales were open to everyone from the start and it was a polished game, I'd have no worries about giving it a try.

Originally posted by Xemous

Originally posted by Lydon

I'd like to give Darkfall a try, but I'm afraid that it will turn into Vanguard the second for me. I had high hopes for that one, as it promised the world, but it ended up being an unpolished and extremely buggy piece of work that shouldn't have been released. 

 

Considering I've hearing about how bug-ridden and exploitable Darkfall is, after all those years of development, my incentive to play it has diminished even more. If it took them that long to make what they've given us, is there any hope for their future developments doing the game justice? Will new content be polished? Will all of the current content ever be polished? So many questions I shouldn't need to ponder before picking up a game. 

 

Its very simple  i concur

If you like a full loot open pvp game with a steep learning curve and a massive open world, you will enjoy DF.  you're describing eve online, NOT darkfall.

If you like casual gameplay with quests, pve, and linear gameplay, you will give this game a 2/10  if you like a full loot open pvp game with a steep learning curve and a massive open world, you will give this game somewhere between 1/10 up to possibly 3/10.

It all depends on what you like.  I love it when people give their "opinion" as fact about a game.  Some people would rate wow a 2/10 others would rate it a 9/10.  It doesnt matter.  again, i concur.  so why do so many people dispute factual information about the horrid state darkfall is in?

Tentonhammer, why do people care what they say again?

Originally posted by damian7

i just don't understand how people can play this game, and give it rave reviews... unless they're children, or perhaps mentally challenged, have incredibly low standards (don't give me the unique game garbage - 90% of the uniqueness has been cut from the game), they've just never played this "type" of game before (i.e. fps or mmo).

it's ok, i don't know how people can play and rave review about WOW either.

90% of uniqueness? what???? tell me, how many sandbox-based FPS-style fantasy MMORPG's are there around right now?

how about how many MMORPGs are there with player-craftable ships, mounts, cities, villages, vehicles all in the one game?

you don't like Darkfall, we get it. but unique? come on, be objective...

{ Mod Edit }

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by ilydamdris

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by ilydamdris

I haven't played Darkfall. I'm one of those guys that will not play it till it launches a free trial, but is it too much to ask to get an actual review of a game? All I want is solid reliable information till a free trial comes out and I can make my own decision on if it's worth the money. All I keep getting are these shitty assed "reviews" of companies that are supposed to be a well known source of information barely playing it and telling everyone about it. I don't want a first impression, I don't want some guy spending hardly any time in the game. I need a reviewer who will play their entire 31 days free time, and THEN let me know how they felt about its entirity. Day one through thirtyfirst, not hour one, and hour two. These are just my own particular prefences, before anyone starts posting things like the world doesn't revolve around you or whatever. I've just gotten tired of reading about all these "reviews" when I don't see an actual honestly written review. I hope someone soon, understands this, and actually gives Darkfall its full month before criticing it. I'm not a fan boy, and I'm not a hater, I just refuse to take either side until I can formulate my own judgment, and I can't do that without full honest judgment on a reviewers part, because Darkfall hasn't released a free trial. So someone that is a writer for whatever well known gaming magizine or orginization, PLEASE just play your full time, and THEN let me know what the hell is up, because all of this is just crap...

 

Edit: I really don't care what orginization or how well known the reviewer is, if he plays his full trial, and sounds like he's not just nitpicking or flaming the game, I could probably take that review seriously. Here's to hoping that someone is able to do that soon. In all honesty though, I'll probably be playing Mortal anyway. *shrugs*

 

It is like asking a reviewer to endure the full course of 10 year detention before writing a review about the life of an inmate.  Come on, by the time he is done with the term he already lost sanity and can only walk like a zombie.

How much will you pay for a normal person to endure 31 days of inhumane treatment in DF?  The pay from a review will definitely not compensate for 1% of the horror beyond speech experience in DF.  Only the fanatic fanboys will log on and off (afk macro) during the 31 days.  If you need 31days "online, even tho afk" as qualifier for a game review, read the fanboy praises.  You already know what they are saying.

 

No it's not. You can't compare 31 days of playing a video game to 10 years of corporal punishment. Those two things can't even logically go together in any way. It's not inhumane treatmeant to go his 31 days of trial. Nor would I pay anything for him to do it. It's his job. His employer pays him to "endure inhumane treatment in DF". He's there to make a review about the game. He has to go through the games features. ALL OF THEM. And no one can do that in 2 hours. No one. I never said I needed 31 days online eventhough afk as a qualifier for a game review, so please don't put those words into my mouth. If a reviewer does this, they're simply continuing the trend of halfassing their job. I want a reviewer who takes his job seriously, to provide an actual review. Someone who has played more than a day or even a week. Someone who without a doubt took to that game with an objective mind, did their job to the best of their ability and provided sound sources of information for people like me to enlist judgment on if they want to spend my money on it. I probably do not need them to go that entire 31 days no, but seriously even half that time is over 10 times the amount of time any of these other so called reviewers have put in. This really doesn't have to do with Darkfall for me, just the principal of if you're going to write a review, take the time and honest effort to do so. Don't play the game for 2-9 hours(depending on who you believe, either way, not enough time)and then expect me to believe any of what you say. Game reviewers for console games, play the 40 hour on average gameplay of rpg's. How hard is it to do at least THAT for an mmo. That's almost 2 days worth of playing and still way ahead of EG and TTH's "first impressions".

 

No he does not.  He is asked to find out how good the game is.  If he has formulated an opinion that his boss agrees he can publish the findings.

Like a physician, if it took him 5 seconds to figure out you need a surgery, his job is done and you are shipped to the operation theatre.  You walk in with a deep cut in your head, and soaking in blood.  Do you think he need a 10 hour examination of each and every hair to decide what to do next?

DF stinks from a million miles, it took 2 hours to know that it is bleeding to death.  Should the reviewer report it, or suffer another 30days 22hours before filling in exactly the same results? 2/10 or 4/10.  That is the verdict.  That is what the chief editor agrees.

You do not have to agree.  That is the beauty of freedom.  He has the freedom to score 2/10, 4/10.  Each of us enjoys our own freedom to judge.  The majority has caste the vote, with our feet.  You might feel you need 3 months before you understand DF,  I don't need to play to realise its crap, each reviewer did what he feels he need, not what you need.  B/c we are not you.

Like I said before it was all my opinion on what I'd like to see from a review. I even stated that I know the world doesn't revolve around me. What is with you and comparing DF to something it has nothing to do with anyway?10 years in prison, head surgery..Game features to hair follocules? I would LOVE to see a game that has as many features as I have hairs on my head. Quit comparing things, because quite frankly, you're sucking at it.

My point is, in two hours how can you say the game is crap fairly? If the editor didn't play the game either, of course he's just going to take the word of that reviewer. He has nothing else to base it on. You can't see everything the game has to offers in two hours. Not a game the size of today's mmo's anyway. You also seem to keep talking to me like I'm some sort of fanboy. I'm completely neautral. I haven't played the game, so I can't say I love it or hate it. I can't be either, so I'm neither. What I want is just someone to put an honest effort into a review and 2 hours is not an honest effort. I don't care if Darkfall gets a 2/10 or a 10/10. I don't care if Darkfall fails, gets cancelled and I never hear about it again, or if it becomes the most successful game in all of gods creation. What I DO want is those scores to be based off an honest founding, not some 2 hour whine fest that zitron did, and some guy giving a first impression. That amount of time doesn't allow them to give me the amount of information I'm looking for. I don't even know why you started arguing with me, considering the fact that all I was asking for was someone to do their job, in a non half-assed way.

I put in my following post, that yeah 31 days was a bit unrealistic, and even said I wouldn't really need THAT much time, yet you still brought it up again. It's not much of an argument point now. Although giving a full trials time, would at least give that reviewers information more credibility than 2 hours. For any gaming magazine to be successful they have to have a following, that's why I talk about myself in the first person. I'm one of the people they're trying to attract. I'm the one who has a problem with the two reviews, having to take care of this argument with you, not anyone else, so that's why I say "I" throughout these posts, not to make it sound like I'm some king of the world or something. *I* just know what *I* want, and judging from the following posts after my initial one, it does appear that I am not alone in feeling this way. Why do you care about what I want out of a reviewer anyway? If you're so adament on freedom and opinions, why does mine matter to you?

Everyone wants things from their mmo's, if they don't get it they leave, or don't sign up. Same with reviewers of those games. If they put out half assed reviews I no longer care about anything they have to say, and continue to someone else till I find someone who actually played the game long enough to give me the pros and cons about the games features. That is why I'm reading it after all. To find out if the games features are worth the money. If we're going to keep arguing over this stupid topic fine, just spare me the comparisons please.

Originally posted by shukes33

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by SuperCrap

Originally posted by shukes33

Originally posted by SuperCrap

Here's something I don't understand when some of you fanboyZ talk about that eurogamer review and say he didn't spend enough time in the game to be fair.....  Did he imply in the review that he spent a lot of time in the game?  Did he imply in the review that he spent weeks or months thoroughly testing and understanding hte game?  Hell fucking no he didn't do that, he said exactly what he did, he played the game for a bit, saw that it was SHIT, and moved on to better games.

 

Whether he played for two hours or ten hours is a moot point, and makes no rational difference to the discussion at all! 

 

When writing a review friend it is better to spend a decent amount of time playing the game, that way the people who are sitting on the fence and want to hear more have a chance to hear from somone who gave it a good go. thats what a review is for isnt it?

I wrote an opinion on the game myself, but i stated that it was just that! an opinion. that way i am in no way reviewing the game and it shouldnt be taken as one. But if you are reviewing a game and putting it out there its best to be as honest as possible and try as much content as possible :) imagine reviewing a ferarri and giveing it 1 out of 10 because you didnt like red! so you never even sat in the car let alone drive it.

 

No, you are missing the point.  The eurogamer review was very clear that the guy did not spend a lot of time in the game.  He did not try to imply otherwise.  He tried the game out, his initial impression was that it was TOTAL SHITE, and he didn't bother with it anymore after that.  Whether it was two hours or ten hours doesn't reall matter as he was not claiming the review was based on extensive play of the game, in fact he specifically states in the review that he DID NOT extensively play the game.  The whole, "he only played two hours" is just a straw man argument from Tasos, even if it was true how does it change the nature of the review in any way at all?  The reviewer did not play the game extensively, he specifically says he did not play the game extensively, so if your argument is he did not play the game extensively you are only agreeing with what the eurogamer reviewer already said in his article. 

 

Incidentally, I don't have to drive a Yugo all day to see it is a piece of shit, I just see it there in the lot and it is easy to tell the build quality is poor.  If I take it for a test drive and it runs like a pile of cow flop oozing across the ground then what do you want me to take it to the autobahn or can I just write in the magazine that it is a shit already?  LOL.

 

God the intelligence of some people eh ... if a reviewer cant be bothered to play a game then he should'nt be Fucking reviewing it at all should he now ?

Come on now Superpoo its not fucking rocket science is it ...

 

A reviewer does not need to bother play it, he just need to play enough to formulate his opinion.  You might need 6 years to know DF stinks, he does not.  That makes him the reviewer not you.  That is why he is hire and got paid, while you have to pay and play.  Its your own decision to agree with his review or not, that does not change the fact that he does his job, his employer agrees with it, and its done.  He got paid, job done period.

The duration YOU need to formulate an opinion does not apply to others.  It would take you 20 years to figure out how to sing a song, so no one can sing a song till they have been trying for 20 years?  Interesting.

 

sounds like you really believe in what you're saying friend but i think general consesus would be not to trust any reviewer that has only spent a minimum time reviewing anything.....including this first small review! and as a reviewer its your responsibility to provide a honest subjective report, which you can only do if you have tried the content!

Dont forget friend a review is different to just making up you're own mind on a game. it's there to provide others with information to help them decide! make you're own mind up within 2 minutes if you like, i do on lots of things...but i sure dont think that makes me qualifed to help others decide. If you would follow that type of review then thats up to you....me? i would rather look into a more informed review.

Remember that i also said i wouldn't follow a good review that played for a small limited time either before you start :)

That is more or less the point I was trying to make, in why I'm tired of seeing these 2 hour half assed reviews. Thank you very much for that post.

i just discovered this review or "overview does not reflect tentonhammer.com

ill elaborate in another thread.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by damian7

i just don't understand how people can play this game, and give it rave reviews... unless they're children, or perhaps mentally challenged, have incredibly low standards (don't give me the unique game garbage - 90% of the uniqueness has been cut from the game), they've just never played this "type" of game before (i.e. fps or mmo).

90% of uniqueness? what???? tell me, how many sandbox-based FPS-style fantasy MMORPG's are there around right now?

 

how about how many MMORPGs are there with player-craftable ships, mounts, cities, villages, vehicles all in the one game? 

Been playing MMORPGs since they were invented. I beta tested Darkfall breifly and it is not a MMORPG, but another online shooter like Call of Duty, in a persistant world. I see now actual role playing elements within the game. Most of the game's features a faux and just placeholders for a real system.

Please don't insult the intelligence of this community, Darkfall is failing because it's a husk of a real game. Almost a scam if you ask me, but since you didn't.. I'll say it's a flop!

As to your second highlighted^^ question... ever play Vanguard ..?

Originally posted by Phelcher

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by damian7

i just don't understand how people can play this game, and give it rave reviews... unless they're children, or perhaps mentally challenged, have incredibly low standards (don't give me the unique game garbage - 90% of the uniqueness has been cut from the game), they've just never played this "type" of game before (i.e. fps or mmo).

90% of uniqueness? what???? tell me, how many sandbox-based FPS-style fantasy MMORPG's are there around right now?

 

how about how many MMORPGs are there with player-craftable ships, mounts, cities, villages, vehicles all in the one game? 

Most of the game's features a faux and just placeholders for a real system.

Please don't insult the intelligence of this community, Darkfall is failing because it's a husk of a real game. Almost a scam if you ask me, but since you didn't.. I'll say it's a flop!

It was so much of a flop it's been sold out since it was released. Also something tells me you do not "get" the concept of a sandbox game i.e. it is about player-created content.

You also hold up Vanguard as an example but Vanguard does not have player-crafted and capturable cities. Vanguard is just another example of the real MMO flops in the past few years - it went from 262K subs down to 40K subs in a few months, and was also gamespy's biggest disappointment of 2007., and voted as mmorpg.com's worst launch, least fun and most desolate MMOG of 2007 also.

I stopped reading the article when it said "Advanced AI"... LOL

Up to you mate. myslef i would love a game with advanced AI so i would have been even more interested :)

 Let the DFers have their game then maybe the communities on the rest of our games will improve. Its my own personal bias but when I here ffa pvp with looting I think of the inmates I had to deal with when I worked in a state prison.

Damn it i hate it when somones right! and thats coming from one of that community lol!

Originally posted by Xemous

Its very simple

If you like a full loot open pvp game with a steep learning curve and a massive open world, you will enjoy DF.

If you like casual gameplay with quests, pve, and linear gameplay, you will give this game a 2/10

It all depends on what you like.  I love it when people give their "opinion" as fact about a game.  Some people would rate wow a 2/10 others would rate it a 9/10.  It doesnt matter.

Is it really that simple? Bugs, exploiters and cheaters have nothing to do with it?

I don't need quests to have fun but when I play PvP the minimum requirement is that no one cheats. If people cheat and uses exploits I can either join them or quit, and I rather do the last.

And until Avi can fix that a lot of people will be be upset about the game. The game might be better than a 2 but it sure ain't a 9 with these issues. And if they don't fix them until MO comes out they might as well throw in the towel because if there are 2 games with FFA PvP and full loot the bet one will eat the other alive. And if one game is full with cheats and exploits the other will win.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Xemous

Its very simple

If you like a full loot open pvp game with a steep learning curve and a massive open world, you will enjoy DF.

If you like casual gameplay with quests, pve, and linear gameplay, you will give this game a 2/10

It all depends on what you like.  I love it when people give their "opinion" as fact about a game.  Some people would rate wow a 2/10 others would rate it a 9/10.  It doesnt matter.

Is it really that simple? Bugs, exploiters and cheaters have nothing to do with it?

I don't need quests to have fun but when I play PvP the minimum requirement is that no one cheats. If people cheat and uses exploits I can either join them or quit, and I rather do the last.

And until Avi can fix that a lot of people will be be upset about the game. The game might be better than a 2 but it sure ain't a 9 with these issues. And if they don't fix them until MO comes out they might as well throw in the towel because if there are 2 games with FFA PvP and full loot the bet one will eat the other alive. And if one game is full with cheats and exploits the other will win.

Again damn it hes right!

i am a member of a guild now and have progressed a fair amount without one single cheat or hack. I dont have any macro's either. but if they opened a fresh server i would jump in delete my char and start fresh on the new server without batting an eyelid! that is the downfall of DF at the moment, not gameplay but cheating.