if the game is good, I don't really give a damn who created it

The days of the Indie companies success stories are dwindling.  MMO's take so many resources to make and that is something just not affordable by them.  It is not out of the realm of possibility that there could be a success story out of one of them, but the odds are very much against it.

All I can say is: Wurm online. Please go a head and try the game. And then come back to this post and tell me what you saw and how much it did hurt to do a simple task to have your toon to survive his hunger.

Its about the games, not who makes them.  If an indie can make a MMO to the same standards as Blizzard or another AAA house, I'll buy it.  But indies don't have the team or resources to create what I consider a fun MMO experience.  Big production values, great art,  well tested and content filled is what I look for.  Indies can't deliver on the big production values and content and they definetly NEVER test their games properly.  They grow slowly allowing paying customers to work out most of the kinks.  Thats not my thing anymore.  I can't tolerate lots of bugs and EVERY indie game is loaded with them.  Its not their fault really.  They don't have the resources.  But I don't have to like their games either. 

Every developer has ideas.  But IDEAS don't make fun games.  Implementation makes them fun.  Indies never implement their ideas well. Maybe eventually they do, but I won't wait around for eventually, sorry.  Giving it time or being patient is not what I look for in my entertainment.  My entertainment has to be entertaining instantly....otherwise I'm not being entertained.   I'm waiting to be entertained, HOPING the game will be fun.   Why should I pay for that?  I don't.

Originally posted by Dyrtt

Personally, I don't pay much attention to who is developing the game.  If I like it, I will play it.  Otherwise, I'll move on.  It seems to me that the size of the developer doesn't have a whole lot to do with the quality of the game.  Everyone is capable of delivering a crap product and I have seen gems come from companies of all sizes. 

Who the hell cares?

I can't say I don't pay attention to developers, because I do. Who is developing TOR, what game did Garriot last work on, what will Blizzard do next, who developed EVE, is SOE going to rape another game, etc.

However, in the end it doesn't matter. I'm playing a game, or not, because it's fun, and that's going to be true for 99% of people that pay a subscription fee.

Indie devs can make good games and crap, and big commercial devs can make good games, and crap. I'll play the good games, and try to avoid the crap, no matter who made what.

              Don't let Aventurine turn you off from small companies developing games......Not all of them are run so poorly and I'm sure some of the bigger companies probably started off small and became bigger over time.......Also the smaller companioes are probably going to be the ones to take more risks and try different things to appeal to gamers.......

Originally posted by Cyborg99

I"m tired of ppl saying I should give indi/small developers a chance. Why should I? I'm the kind of guy who never cheers for the underdog and I always shop at the big stores (walmart,etc). Some ppl say bigger companies don't care about customers but companies like AV prove that small/indie devs don't care either.

So I say down with the small budget mmo's and more of the bigger budget mmo's because we all know the more money put into a mmo the better it will be (no I'm not joking). 

Many ppl will disagree with this but their just liberals so ignore their post. It's ok to say bad things about the big bad companies but your not aloud to say bad things to the small weak companies : /

Is it liberal to say that the majority of job creation comes from the growth of successful, small companies?  This is why the recent tax hike on small businesses is idiotic.

Anyways, you are free to say bad things about any company you want.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fascist.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

I"m tired of ppl saying I should give indi/small developers a chance. Why should I? I'm the kind of guy who never cheers for the underdog and I always shop at the big stores (walmart,etc). Some ppl say bigger companies don't care about customers but companies like AV prove that small/indie devs don't care either.

So I say down with the small budget mmo's and more of the bigger budget mmo's because we all know the more money put into a mmo the better it will be (no I'm not joking). 

Many ppl will disagree with this but their just liberals so ignore their post. It's ok to say bad things about the big bad companies but your not aloud to say bad things to the small weak companies : /

I am not a liberal on so many levels its not even funny. You don't cheer for the underdog and yet you shop at wal-mart. Smart companies actualy give a shit about their customers because they realize the value of someone walking into their store or in MMORPG case, their world. A small company cannot address every tiny bickering issue that their customers have when i bet there are so many because they are a SMALL company.

Honestly, if you bought this game you were either waiting for it for a very long time, or just heard about it recently and thought it was awesome. If you were wrong on either level then it's your fault for not knowing that this game was incomplete, released as a payed beta for you to test. If you like the game on every level then what im saying doesn't even matter.

There is a lot of big companies out there with a lot of shitty games.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Many ppl will disagree with this but their just liberals so ignore their post.

So basically you don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by liberalguy

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Many ppl will disagree with this but their just liberals so ignore their post.

So basically you don't know what you're talking about.

Or, basically, you just took the bait. :) 

Meh, why look at the company instead of the actual product? Most successful devs started out small before they got big.

Originally posted by DeadeX

Meh, why look at the company instead of the actual product? Most successful devs started out small before they got big.

How often does that still happen, if ever?

The gap between well funded companies and not well funded companies is bigger than ever before, and it shows.

To create a good mmorpg, you need to be well funded, it's that simple. If you're not well funded, you're going to end up like Mourning, Dark & Light, Irth Online and Darkfall Online.

Just look at EvE and compare it to AAA titles that have come out during the same time. Same goes with FE when it launches compare it to the games that have come out since the WoW era.  I am one to cheer for the underdog as I like to help people out and buying from mom and pop stores before going to a major megastore.

But I say why not try out and indie game most games have sucked ass that have come from Major studios so really how much worse can these indie games be.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

I"m tired of ppl saying I should give indi/small developers a chance. Why should I? I'm the kind of guy who never cheers for the underdog and I always shop at the big stores (walmart,etc). Some ppl say bigger companies don't care about customers but companies like AV prove that small/indie devs don't care either.

So I say down with the small budget mmo's and more of the bigger budget mmo's because we all know the more money put into a mmo the better it will be (no I'm not joking). 

Many ppl will disagree with this but their just liberals so ignore their post. It's ok to say bad things about the big bad companies but your not aloud to say bad things to the small weak companies : /

It's not about how many money you have, is about the work you do over your idea.