Originally posted by sigamon

Originally posted by sushimees

Originally posted by sigamon

lol yeah darkfall is definatly not your game. go back and play some auto targeting games so you can feel super powerful and awesome killing easy ass mobs to collect their pelts to continue on your endless quest chain and then pvp against people which takes no skill cause you just have to click a button to execute your ultra death move

unlike darkfall where you do have to aim because it takes more skill to be able to beat someone in pvp w/o a auto target system.

ive played every damn mmo on the market and pvp is ridonkulously easy, click the person cast death skill/spell they die.

i just recently got darkfall and pvp is a fuckin bitch! i feel like a total goon in fights because ive gone 10+ years playing easy mode

 

What a way to put down the OP and all other MMORPG's. Go play Daoc or Shadowbane if you want some good PvP action with skill needed.

 

daoc didnt take skill. and shadowbane no longer exists doesnt it?

It will close on the 1st of July or it might be picked up by Aeria Games.

Originally posted by denshing

Originally posted by r0nin89

So I decided that I wanted to try to find another mmo to play. Darkfall is the only new release and I've heard some decent things about it. So heres my list of things I cant stand after I played it for 10mins. Most people will say well wait you played it for 10mins? How can you form an opinion in 10mins? Well I'll tell you how in the end.

 

 First and foremost the game feels like a bad collaboration of a bunch of other games I've played. Skills from Ryzom, world from Vanguard, Character creation from (insert any of the numerous mmos on the market with terrible character creation), and heres the real kick in the ass that ended my want to try the game, COMBAT FROM NGE SWG.

Now being the former swg player I am I'd still be playing that (PRE or Post CU) but they went ahead and ruined it with the NGE. So I'm playing Darkfall and was already leary after reading a tutorial and them mentioning how you have to aim. So I get in associate myself with the UI and run, very far, very slowly to kill my first goblin. I get there and yes the difficulty level of the game is definitely not gear to noob which is good but holy hell, I feel like I'm playing some sort of bad console action rpg. Infact it felt like I was playing the Lord Of The Rings action games for ps2.

Not only do you have to aim but you have to click EVERYTIME you want to execute a base attack. Not to mention its not like 2 or 3 clicks and they're dead its like 10 to 20. This combat system feels like the exact reason I stopped playing SWG. I just find it funny that now I know where SOE ripped off the design for the NGE from, musta known someone over there at the Darkfall development thinktank.

 

 

So in conclusion, DONT BUY THIS GAME IF YOU DONT LIKE THE STAR WARS GALAXIES NGE SYSTEM LIKE IT WAS WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT. 

save yourself a monthly fee and go play counter strike or something.

Although I agree with your views, i would like to bring up a very valid counter-argument to make you feeel stupid.

Darkfall-                   you have to click   EVERYTIME you want to execute a base attack"

Real-                        you half to pull the trigger  EVERYTIME you want to fire a gun"

 GOOOSH WHAT A TEDIOUS ACT!

"And you did mean basic instead of base right?"

um

Darkfall- headshot ooo 30 out of 300+ life

Real- headshot, dead, and you're in jail

GREAT comparison there bub.

Originally posted by sigamon

lol yeah darkfall is definatly not your game. go back and play some auto targeting games so you can feel super powerful and awesome killing easy ass mobs to collect their pelts to continue on your endless quest chain and then pvp against people which takes no skill cause you just have to click a button to execute your ultra death move

unlike darkfall where you do have to aim because it takes more skill to be able to beat someone in pvp w/o a auto target system.

ive played every damn mmo on the market and pvp is ridonkulously easy, click the person cast death skill/spell they die.

i just recently got darkfall and pvp is a fuckin bitch! i feel like a total goon in fights because ive gone 10+ years playing easy mode

Go outside and take a break from video games, please.

Geez I'm so tired of hearing how DF takes oh so much skill and other games don't. Let's set the record straight: ALL GAMES REQUIRE SKILLS! It is actually possible to be GOOD at games that use auto attack, believe it or not. I've never played WoW but I'm 100% convinced that it's possible to be good at it. I have played DF and I'm equally convinced that it's possible to be a skilled DF player.

The problem with combat in DF isn't a matter of it taking skill or not because it certainly does. The problem is that it's mind numbingly boring. IMHO, constant LMB bashing is almost, not exactly, but almost the same thing as auto attack. It's just tedious. It doesn't add anything whatsoever. I'm sure it's positive to create a good MMORPG with twitch style combat, but DF isn't it.

Originally posted by tarkin1980

Geez I'm so tired of hearing how DF takes oh so much skill and other games don't. Let's set the record straight: ALL GAMES REQUIRE SKILLS! It is actually possible to be GOOD at games that use auto attack, believe it or not. I've never played WoW but I'm 100% convinced that it's possible to be good at it. I have played DF and I'm equally convinced that it's possible to be a skilled DF player.

The problem with combat in DF isn't a matter of it taking skill or not because it certainly does. The problem is that it's mind numbingly boring. IMHO, constant LMB bashing is almost, not exactly, but almost the same thing as auto attack. It's just tedious. It doesn't add anything whatsoever. I'm sure it's positive to create a good MMORPG with twitch style combat, but DF isn't it.

Key and about the only consideration is, how much fun factor the game offers.

Chasing a player around, admist lag, or rubber banding due to speed hacks, fanatically clicking LMB, hoping I hit him instead of my own team mate, is NOT my idea of fun.  Skill is just a self delusive way of making one looks bigger in a game.  A game is not a testing ground of skill, nor a selection process for university enrollment.  Nor a way to choose who gets laid, paid or whatever.  Its a game, period.

Originally posted by sigamon
 

yeah if you like to pvp in the starter areas only

yesterday before i had to go to work, my clan alliance spotted 15 or so people outside our city. everyone rallied up and we rode out to smash them before they try anything funny near or in our fort

after a little journey in seperate divisions we found them and where they were going.

when we go to the town they had their fire cannon defenses going crazy at anyone who came in range. we had to ride around behind the city and boost up onto a big ass mountain.  we were able to flank their cannons and disable them from being manned

we eventually worked our way down into the center of their base and it was utter chaos. i ended up in a fight with a pissed off dwarf and i did my best to fight him but my character being pretty fresh faced was no match for his strength

as i lay bleeding an alliance member came, skewered the little fucker and saved me from bleeding out.

i couldnt see the fight thru to the end since i had to go to work.

 

but your right... darkfall is just groups of people killing 1 person *sarcasm off*

Still though, it's a gankfest either way you look at it. In your example it's just when you play on Counter-strike maps without autobalancing and everyone wants to be on the winning team so it eventually turns into 10 on 3. People say instanced scenerios and battlegrounds are stupid -- but it makes for even matches of similar skill levels, there IS a reason MMOs have gone the direction they have and it isn't to piss off old time UO/EQ/SWG people...
 

I know it's cool to get to go into battles when you are fresh into the game but the best PvP is in FPS games, balance and fairness. RPGs, by design, have characters in the world at all different skill levels with different skills and armors and powers... etc. It will never be as fair and as balanced as an FPS game. If you think have 100 in all your skills and killing new players takes skill... you're sadly mistaken.

If on the other hand you were a top ranked player in CS or CoD4 or TF2 or whatever, I'll admit you went against people of similar skill levels and had superior gaming abilities. But really, if you think you are a badass in an MMO because you grinded your skills longer, have a better clan to support you, and have better gear than your opponent, then I feel pretty bad for you that you're stroking your ego over it.

And sorry person I quoted, I went off topic a bit, that wasn't directed at you, just general gamers that think RPG PvP is all about skill.

Wow, the epeening in here is amazing.

omg I has skillz and yooz don't lawl

Who gives a rats ass if a game takes skill or not if the game sucks monkey balls?

Debating skill is pointless on a topic like this.

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by sigamon

Originally posted by momodig

For everyone saying darkfall requires skills and telling people to go play auto-targetting games... Darkfall requires no skill at all to play... it's a gank fest...  I repeat peple that play this game and say you need skill, they just say that to make themselves feel better...

 

Darkfall is deatlhy hard to newbies... the only skill in darkfall is to find a group of people and pick on the single guy/girl... that's not skill lol

 

yeah if you like to pvp in the starter areas only

yesterday before i had to go to work, my clan alliance spotted 15 or so people outside our city. everyone rallied up and we rode out to smash them before they try anything funny near or in our fort

after a little journey in seperate divisions we found them and where they were going.

when we go to the town they had their fire cannon defenses going crazy at anyone who came in range. we had to ride around behind the city and boost up onto a big ass mountain.  we were able to flank their cannons and disable them from being manned

we eventually worked our way down into the center of their base and it was utter chaos. i ended up in a fight with a pissed off dwarf and i did my best to fight him but my character being pretty fresh faced was no match for his strength

as i lay bleeding an alliance member came, skewered the little fucker and saved me from bleeding out.

i couldnt see the fight thru to the end since i had to go to work.

 

but your right... darkfall is just groups of people killing 1 person *sarcasm off*

 

Basically a clan works it's butt of getting the resources and gold to build things like walls, gates, and cannons.

Then another clan comes along and bypasses all of that.

The biggest aspect of the game, and you have a DFO fan here varifying that it's broken.

PS:  Quit comparing combat in DFO to Oblivion.  DFO combat is NOTHING LIKE OBLIVIONS.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for the lulz though!

Originally posted by StuntyCrusha

Wow, the epeening in here is amazing.

omg I has skillz and yooz don't lawl

Who gives a rats ass if a game takes skill or not if the game sucks monkey balls?

Debating skill is pointless on a topic like this.

I agree, I always laugh at these "Skill" comparisons about other MMO's and FPS's out there... Skill....Since when does skill have shit to do with a RPG anyway? It's not your playing Quake or Counter-strike, where some skill can help.

Originally posted by sigamon

lol yeah darkfall is definatly not your game. go back and play some auto targeting games so you can feel super powerful and awesome killing easy ass mobs to collect their pelts to continue on your endless quest chain and then pvp against people which takes no skill cause you just have to click a button to execute your ultra death move

unlike darkfall where you do have to aim because it takes more skill to be able to beat someone in pvp w/o a auto target system.

ive played every damn mmo on the market and pvp is ridonkulously easy, click the person cast death skill/spell they die.

i just recently got darkfall and pvp is a fuckin bitch! i feel like a total goon in fights because ive gone 10+ years playing easy mode

Ladies and gentlemen, I give to you the average darkfall player.  Target audience has been found.

I swear to god, this game attracts all the pants on head retards.  There is just as much "skill" involved as your typical fps, meaning not very much.  Circle strafe.  Circle strafe.  Circle strafe. With maybe a few bunny hops thrown in.