Originally posted by Shadowist

Despite the bad press it has gotten at times, I've personally found Darkfall to be one of the best games I've ever played.  Yes there's a skill grind and it's not perfect, but I'd say it's FAR better than most on the forums would have you believe.   There's crazy polotics, backstabbing, spying, Sieges with badass war machines, Mass battle with actual tactics. 

 

The game is freaking awesome if you're into pvp.

QFT. these forums are nothing what the game is like in-game. forums are like where all the whiniest, shittiest, and most immature posters come to vent their emo-rage. at least half the haters still haven't played the game.

EVE gets similar levels of hate about being boring, too hardcore, nothing to do etc but IMO it's also awesome.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Shadowist

Despite the bad press it has gotten at times, I've personally found Darkfall to be one of the best games I've ever played.  Yes there's a skill grind and it's not perfect, but I'd say it's FAR better than most on the forums would have you believe.   There's crazy polotics, backstabbing, spying, Sieges with badass war machines, Mass battle with actual tactics. 

 

The game is freaking awesome if you're into pvp.

 

QFT. these forums are nothing what the game is like in-game. forums are like where all the whiniest, shittiest, and most immature posters come to vent their emo-rage. at least half the haters still haven't played the game.

 

EVE gets similar levels of hate about being boring, too hardcore, nothing to do etc but IMO it's also awesome.

And Darkfall is where all the whiniest, shittiest, and most immature players go to vent their emo-rage on pixels. Makes it about even, eh?

And I wouldn't compare Darkfall to Eve. For one thing, Eve is successful.

Originally posted by javac

EVE gets similar levels of hate about being boring, too hardcore, nothing to do etc but IMO it's also awesome.

Nah, not even close. Don't compare this to EvE.

Most of the people who tried and didn't like EvE at least acknowledge that it's a great, complex game with a steep learning curve. DF is very poor, has the complexity of a Mario game,and is the most shallow thing I've ever seen with the worst UI /controls of any game. The only "challenge" in DF is to be able to look past all of it's glaring problems and play the game the way it's meant to be. This, I concede, requires hardcoreness to the extreme and DF fanbois excel at it. I applaud you. EvE has the best community of any MMO in my opinion, while DF has the worst.

Really, EvE is the opposite of DF in just about everything. Sorry, but it doesn't deserve being compared to this joke of a game.
 

Originally posted by javac

QFT. these forums are nothing what the game is like in-game. forums are like where all the whiniest, shittiest, and most immature posters come to vent their emo-rage. at least half the haters still haven't played the game.

EVE gets similar levels of hate about being boring, too hardcore, nothing to do etc but IMO it's also awesome.

You're acting immature and whining about posters who you consider immature and whiny?

That's the pot calling the kettle black...

~Ripper

What's with the five stars under our names? How does the system work

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by javac

EVE gets similar levels of hate about being boring, too hardcore, nothing to do etc but IMO it's also awesome.

 

Nah, not even close. Don't compare this to EvE.

Most of the people who tried and didn't like EvE at least acknowledge that it's a great, complex game with a steep learning curve. DF is very poor, has the complexity of a Mario game,and is the most shallow thing I've ever seen with the worst UI /controls of any game. The only "challenge" in DF is to be able to look past all of it's glaring problems and play the game the way it's meant to be. This, I concede, requires hardcoreness to the extreme and DF fanbois excel at it. I applaud you. EvE has the best community of any MMO in my opinion, while DF has the worst.

Really, EvE is the opposite of DF in just about everything. Sorry, but it doesn't deserve being compared to this joke of a game.
 

 Well we all know how extremely skillfull it is to sit at a gate and whack everything that comes through...anyone that can do that could clearly do almost anything, ... at least in EVE.

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

And Darkfall is where all the whiniest, shittiest, and most immature players go to vent their emo-rage on pixels. Makes it about even, eh?

And I wouldn't compare Darkfall to Eve. For one thing, Eve is successful.

Actually the big whiners in DF are WOW players who get their ass kicked and their loot taken and then go cry on forums about being a victim of a "hacker" and DF is crappy cause it doesn't have WOW-like PVE content, protections and shit like hireable NPC henchmen.

Darkfall has been under massive demand and sold out since release, despite $0 marketing. please enlighten us how any rational person* could say DF has not been successful?

* note: carebears with an anti-DF agenda are not rational.

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

What's with the five stars under our names? How does the system work

http://www.mmorpg.com/faq.cfm/showFaq/5/What-do-the-stars-mean-next-to-members-names.html

and

http://www.mmorpg.com/faq.cfm/showFaq/6

One of the things that lowers your rank is when posts of your have to be deleted.  What I don't know, however, is whether or not that includes posts in threads that were deleted for other reasons or just posts that were explicitly deleted due to RoC violations.  I've never had a post explicitly deleted (or at least I've never received any notification that was the case), but I've had several detailed posts deleted in threads like "Confessions of a Darkfall Hacker".

I've never really paid attention to rank, but since you bring it up, it's interesting that Javac's is so incredibly low, even though he has a pretty high post count and posts on a regular basis.

~Ripper

Not really, we all know this forum is heavily in favour of hating on darkfall.

Anyone that likes it and expresses that gets banned and deleted, while the haters continue on unmolested.

this forum is shit and is full of shit.

Originally posted by jonyak

Not really, we all know this forum is heavily in favour of hating on darkfall.

Anyone that likes it and expresses that gets banned and deleted, while the haters continue on unmolested.

this forum is shit and is full of shit.

And yet here you are..go figure.

Originally posted by jonyak

Not really, we all know this forum is heavily in favour of hating on darkfall.

Anyone that likes it and expresses that gets banned and deleted, while the haters continue on unmolested.

this forum is shit and is full of shit.

Or, it could be due to quality posts like this...  That's clearly a well thought out and detailed answer, logical and free from hyperbole and angst, much like this one:

~Ripper

Originally posted by javac

Darkfall has been under massive demand and sold out since release, despite $0 marketing. please enlighten us how any rational person* could say DF has not been successful?

So massive a demand that the shop has been open for a week, yet the game still doesn't appear to have any significant player population increases, especially in the starter towns where you'd expect to see them?

How do you define success?

• It took them 8 years to deliver a product that's still closed beta quality, at best.  This is evidenced by the type of changes they've implemented since the game went live. Adding art assets, changing mob AI, world building, adding in a trade channel, etc..?  Should have been done prior to launch.  After all, the game was in some stage of development for 8 years! After 8 years, Aventurine should have hit a home run!  How is that successful?
• Over the years, they designed and promoted a game that was bigger and better, with more features and that would be appealing to a larger number of players, but delvered a game that's limping along on a skeleton of what it was supposed to be.  Diehard fans blow all that off and call the game niche and hardcore. How is that successful?
• Cheating in the game is rampant, whether it be from 3rd party tools, macros or exploits. The game is only 3 months old! How is that succesful?
• Their account management system is horrible!  There's still an active 138 page thread with complaints about account issues.  On top of that, their account management system isn't synchronized with game accounts as evidenced by the emails the banned cheaters received (you need to remove your billing information or risk being charged, even though the account was banned).  That lack of proper account management and synchronization can adversely affect legitimate players, too.  How is that successful?
• The server can allegedly handle up to 10k concurrent users, but there never seem to be more than 1 or 2 thousand on at any given time.  The single largest reported event was allegedly for 2k players and nothing like that has been reported since.  On top of that, the game is nigh unplayable for anybody not involved in a siege if there are a couple of sieges going on (a typical occurence on the weekend).  So, even though the game is allegedly optimzed for up to 10k concurrent users, the experience is poor even though there might only be 1 or 2k players actually online if sieges are occurring at the same time.  How is that successful?
• Is it financially succesful? Even using your generous estimate of 20k players, Aventurine only stands to make maybe 4.2 million Euros gross (assuming a generous 50k sold @ 42 EUR/copy +  9 months @ 11,77 EUR/month for 20k members) by the end of their first year, even though Tasos stated in an interview on alpha.tv that they'd make back their 10 million EUR development costs by the start of 2010?  They're not financially succesful.

I'm a rational person.  I'm even playing Darkfall, but I recognize that both it and Aventurine have huge faults and I don't consider Darkfall to be a success, either as a game or financially, as a result.

~Ripper

Wow. I think rhinok just became my new forum hero. He plays the game, but he has a brain? Call Dr. Tasos, one escaped from the funny farm! He is still capable of rational thought!

Also, hilarious title. I guess tomorrow morning will be an epic sunset in Darkfall, too. Big battles are always nice, I suppose, even in a game like Darkfall.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by eyeswideopen

And Darkfall is where all the whiniest, shittiest, and most immature players go to vent their emo-rage on pixels. Makes it about even, eh?

And I wouldn't compare Darkfall to Eve. For one thing, Eve is successful.

 

Actually the big whiners in DF are WOW players who get their ass kicked and their loot taken and then go cry on forums about being a victim of a "hacker" and DF is crappy cause it doesn't have WOW-like PVE content, protections and shit like hireable NPC henchmen.

 

Darkfall has been under massive demand and sold out since release, despite $0 marketing. please enlighten us how any rational person* could say DF has not been successful?

 

* note: carebears with an anti-DF agenda are not rational.

Tell you what:

I'll sit here with 1,000,000 uber pieces of paper. But I'll limit sales to 10 per day. At the end of every ten sales, I'll put up a "sold out" sign.

Look at that, i'm an overnight success!!

Your argument fails on so many levels that the only reason I can fathom you are here is because the game you paid to play obviously sucks but you're trying desperately to justify the waste of money and time instead of just sucking it up and admitting Darkfall sucks.

You know the "success" of DnF struck me tonight while I was letting the game level up my swimming for a few hours.

There have been NO in game or email gold seller offers or offers to level up characters. It is so "in demand" that the Chinese gold farmers are even ignoring the game.

Now that really is scraping the bottom of the barrel when the gold farmers ignore you.

Originally posted by gnomad1

You know the "success" of DnF struck me tonight while I was letting the game level up my swimming for a few hours.

There have been NO in game or email gold seller offers or offers to level up characters. It is so "in demand" that the Chinese gold farmers are even ignoring the game.

Now that really is scraping the bottom of the barrel when the gold farmers ignore you.

Not necessarely a bad thing but nowadays as soon as an MMO releases there is some way of buying currency and other services but DFO has not been even touched by it, cause its just an empty market. You can even find currency for vanguard and that game is pretty empty.

so this thread is about goons siege or how successful is df                 ?

Originally posted by cosy

so this thread is about goons siege or how successful is df                 ?

It was overtaken by trolls a while back.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Shadowist

Despite the bad press it has gotten at times, I've personally found Darkfall to be one of the best games I've ever played.  Yes there's a skill grind and it's not perfect, but I'd say it's FAR better than most on the forums would have you believe.   There's crazy polotics, backstabbing, spying, Sieges with badass war machines, Mass battle with actual tactics. 

 

The game is freaking awesome if you're into pvp.

 

QFT. these forums are nothing what the game is like in-game. forums are like where all the whiniest, shittiest, and most immature posters come to vent their emo-rage. at least half the haters still haven't played the game.

 

EVE gets similar levels of hate about being boring, too hardcore, nothing to do etc but IMO it's also awesome.

do not, in any shape, form, or fashion... EVER compare eve to this so-called game supposedly named darkfall.

you need to edit your message and delete all references to eve.  your post makes baby Jesus cry.

oh and um, all the whiny immature folks on the forums... worse are ingame.

Originally posted by Kurai3

Originally posted by sanedor

 

Hey man let me ask you something.  Have you even played DarkFall?

 

Woo trick question, if i say yes then most are going to add me to the list of retards that were dumb enough to pay money for it.. but no i have not but then again i did not buy Dark & Light either

 

Hold on a second here... You haven't played the game..... But your main complaints about it are that it's got Bad Graphics (Which you could only have seen in Screenshots or Low Res Videos) And that there are Hackers everywhere.... Which you couldn't really know unless you know.... you've played the game and encountered them. And All of the people who are in the thread who do play the game are telling you it ain't so...... yeah.

 

On a side note, Played Darkfall... Didn't like it much. Too punishing and too damn slow to be any fun for me.

welp, if there are legit youtube videos of flying boats... your entire post is in err.