I think this thread derailed into arguments about half way through. . And it never recovered.

Thank you for reading folks.

I am working on an article that will combine how people feel and perform in raids, and what drives them to progress!

For this article, i would like to have the input and feelings of ACTUAL PLAYERS. Please, send me a message on here or on my personal blog (located on my MMORPG.com user profile. its the Blogspot one).

What i need to know:

• What drives you to progress?
• What do you like about current content
• server preferred? (pvp, rp, pve)
• what makes the game FUN FOR YOU (compared to now & then, I.E. vanilla WoW.)
• Whether you want your name, server, etc. mentioned.

So basically, if you want to let me know "Well, i love playing my <insert class here> but leveling is tedious, repetitive and an overall time sink and i wish <insert thing here> would be added or <insert thing here> would be changed!" then thats what i wanna hear!

Remember! Drop me a message and have a voice for the community!

WoW is interesting in that it is completely unlike all of the other MMORPGs available (other than newer games that have been designed as an alternative to WoW).  As you can tell from statistical data collected (which may or may not be refutable) on www.mmogchart.com, World of Warcraft's population cannot possibly consist of just those that played MMORPGs in the past. The majority population of WoW are not used to the MMORPG style of gameplay, and consequently the 'elitest' mentality that can develop (and essentially, make the games fun, at least for me). Because the majority population are not regular MMORPG players (a conclusion I gather from the stastical data here), the Blizzard staff must cater to all sorts of needs. Unfortunately for me, a true MMORPG lover at heart, the WOTLK raiding style has left me with a thirst unquenched by the raid dungeons. I feel the need to have gear that the majority of players on my server have a hard time getting--to sit in Ironforge/Shattrath/Dalaran, admired by others for my achievements and obvious skill as a player. I have gotten the Immortal title (which was pretty easy when we actually put forth the minimal amount of effort and concentration to achieve it), and have also gotten my Black Proto-Drake (which also didn't take much time or effort to achieve), among other achievements. Yeah, the Black Drake and title were pretty sweet, but you can't show it off in Dalarn due to the restriction on flight. I guess WoW is pushing away some of their player base that do want to put in the time necessary to get the best gear.

Another thing to note is that, while guilds did in fact utilize the Public Test Realm (available to everyone by the way, so it's not like they had some special advantage, you should have easily had Naxx 2.0 on farm by that point), the bosses on PTR were incredibly easy as well. On the US servers, guilds were only given a small window of time (4 hours or so) to test the bosses before they were taken down. Even in this small amount of time, most of the bosses were so easy you could kill them and have time to spare. This is why I quit the game before Ulduar went live (yes I was on the PTR until about a week before Ulduar went live), and this is why I'll be waiting for a new MMORPG to be released that will allow me to realize my full elitest potential. For everyone else out there, WoW is probably the perfect, casual MMO experience--not for me.

And I don't know if this is necessary but here's my armory.

Originally posted by Anyos

Snipped due to gagging.

Yeah, only the other "elites" enviously eyeball other people's achievements and pine about being in the "best" guild. Other people don't care. And as you said, the majority of WoW players are the "other people". So... you will not be missed in the World of Warcraft. Good day.

Originally posted by Sanguinia

Originally posted by Anyos

Snipped due to gagging.

 

Yeah, only the other "elites" enviously eyeball other people's achievements and pine about being in the "best" guild. Other people don't care. And as you said, the majority of WoW players are the "other people". So... you will not be missed in the World of Warcraft. Good day.

Obviously you missed the entire point of the post I made, and added in a bit of troll-anger to boot. It's not WoW's fault they made such a darn good game that everyone wants to play. And if it was only the other elite's enviously eyeballing other people's achievements, there wouldn't be any elite then would there be (not to mention loads of applications to top guilds)? I really don't know why you take offence to such a post, maybe you should be gagging on your own obsession with the game and willingness to defend it when it doesn't need defending.

I want the instances to be harder :p

Bring it on!

Originally posted by Anyos

Originally posted by Sanguinia

Originally posted by Anyos

Snipped due to gagging.

 

Yeah, only the other "elites" enviously eyeball other people's achievements and pine about being in the "best" guild. Other people don't care. And as you said, the majority of WoW players are the "other people". So... you will not be missed in the World of Warcraft. Good day.

Obviously you missed the entire point of the post I made, and added in a bit of troll-anger to boot. It's not WoW's fault they made such a darn good game that everyone wants to play. And if it was only the other elite's enviously eyeballing other people's achievements, there wouldn't be any elite then would there be (not to mention loads of applications to top guilds)? I really don't know why you take offence to such a post, maybe you should be gagging on your own obsession with the game and willingness to defend it when it doesn't need defending.

Hurray for troll-anger. My post had absolutely nothing to do with defending WoW. I was expressing my disgust with the elitest mindset expressed in your post. If you added it for jest, or to make a point is meaningless to me. And it's one of the mentalities that I hope dies out from mmos entirely. It's an easy tactic to be dismissive by implying that I'm some kind of "fanboi" by telling me I'm "obsessed", even though I don't play very often. Really, I'd react the same way even if you were talking about SWG or Aion. It's just a mentality I don't like, and I feel gaming communities would be better served if it ceased to exist.

Originally posted by Sanguinia
Snipped due to LENGTH

There's absolutely nothing wrong with deriving enjoyment from personal achievement. And yeah, one must be dismissive of pointless insults. Instead of saying that I won't be missed in WoW or that my post was 'snipped due to gagging' perhaps you could add something constructive--for example, why you percieve the elitest mentality to be a problem in the game. Your perception of the elitest crowds on MMOs is, I'm guessing, very negative. This is unfortunate, because there are a lot of mediocre players that have excellent gear because their guild members carry them, and they tend to be the most vocal in the guilds (ie harrassing other players, creating flame posts about other guilds on the public forums, etc). While from my experience, the best players would rather not waste their time with such things, and are in fact willing to help out others and their guilds if asked. OR hmm, posting on an MMORPG thread as to why there is such a difference in difficulty perception of the new Ulduar instance.

dont think so

Originally posted by geekgamer

I want the instances to be harder :p

 

Bring it on!

I think in light of the fact that Naxx was a face roll, people cried out for an instance that would be hard. Blizzard has taken the position of saying they dont want another Sunwell or Naxx 40. Why? Only a tiny percentage of the player base saw the content which is a waste or resources (unless you that percentage) and if you saw those raids Gratz to you :) They are more interested in making it more CHALLENGING so that people with appropiate skill get rewarded.

Im sure everyone has heard the spin, but I tend to agree, surely there is a middle ground between Naxx (LK) and the craziness that is sunwell (in BC) . is Ulduar that medium? i dont know It is a lot harder than naxx but still accessable to raiders who arent top eschelon.

Some of the responsability has gone back to the raider and thier guilds to preform stop qqing about stuff being easy and start moving out of voidzones, to analyse whats going wrong with thier raids (be it people, gear levels etc etc) and fix it.

Icecrown will be much much harder again than ulduar as will anything beyond that, while i agree with most posters that the first tier of raiding was kinda easy mode which was wierd considering past instances. Im liking what Blizz has done, Raiding is not a case of having to sit for 40 hours a week smashing your head on the keyboard on content.

Is it easier? probably. But one thing is for certain they are much better designed than Vanilla wow

I like Ulduar because its challenging as well as unique. The boss fights are all fun and require a fair amount of effort into dowing. The first wing is realatively easy, after the nerf, but gave a good impression on how big the instance is. My hats off to blizzard for putting together an amazing raid experiance that can be enjoyed by many but mastered by few.