Originally posted by Horkathane

Well this is enlightening. At first I was going to write this game off as another shadowbane but with only FPV this makes open PvP more playable. I think allot of the outta control is due to 3rd person view. Most people can be reckless and safe knowing that theya re attacking someone and can see if someone comes to assist but now you can sneak up on someone and get the jump but you wont know if someone starts wacking you right after you are in battle.

You mustve never played a fps.  Expect alot of FF specialy if you so happen to walk next to your team mate. Due to tunnel vision he'll attack you cause he sees movement.

Theres a reason why fps games end up being a benny hill show with click fest o rama.

Play CS, CoD, AoC (hl2 mod) TF2...etc etc.   CQ equals trying to run outside of your enemys tunnel vision and keeping him in urs as you Spray.  Hand to Hand, well play any CoD and youll understand why the best way to knife someone is to run to the extreme right or left of there person.  Only good thing about fpv is that your body doesnt get in the way of aiming in a shooter.

Also 3rd person view is more realistic.  The only time you see in tunnel vision is usualy when your about to pass out.  OBE excluded, We see in 3rd person all time its just most arnt aware of it. Your mind is aware of your body , its position and its surrondings.  How detailed said image depends on you.

Anyways it kinda sucks its FPV, kinda turns me off toward the game. But if everyone says its good, actualy good and not DF fanboi its good. Ill buy it.

Hopefuly you can see your body when you look down.  I feel like a floating head when all you see is empty space when you look down.

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

Originally posted by Horkathane

Well this is enlightening. At first I was going to write this game off as another shadowbane but with only FPV this makes open PvP more playable. I think allot of the outta control is due to 3rd person view. Most people can be reckless and safe knowing that theya re attacking someone and can see if someone comes to assist but now you can sneak up on someone and get the jump but you wont know if someone starts wacking you right after you are in battle.

 

You mustve never played a fps.  Expect alot of FF specialy if you so happen to walk next to your team mate. Due to tunnel vision he'll attack you cause he sees movement.

Theres a reason why fps games end up being a benny hill show with click fest o rama.

Play CS, CoD, AoC (hl2 mod) TF2...etc etc.   CQ equals trying to run outside of your enemys tunnel vision and keeping him in urs as you Spray.  Hand to Hand, well play any CoD and youll understand why the best way to knife someone is to run to the extreme right or left of there person.  Only good thing about fpv is that your body doesnt get in the way of aiming in a shooter.

Also 3rd person view is more realistic.  The only time you see in tunnel vision is usualy when your about to pass out.  OBE excluded, We see in 3rd person all time its just most arnt aware of it. Your mind is aware of your body , its position and its surrondings.  How detailed said image depends on you.

Anyways it kinda sucks its FPV, kinda turns me off toward the game. But if everyone says its good, actualy good and not DF fanboi its good. Ill buy it.

Hopefuly you can see your body when you look down.  I feel like a floating head when all you see is empty space when you look down.

Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums, and that's saying a lot.

We see in third person?  What planet are you from?  We here on earth only see in first person.  We see out of the eyeballs that are located inside our heads that is attached to the rest of our body.  We do not see from floating eyeballs located some thirty yards behind us. 

I love when people compare a fantasy based MMO to a round based shooter.  They proclaim all is bad, while ignoring that the only similarity to the two games are that they are both first person view oriented.  Every other detail in the game is vastly different from one another.  There is not going to be any bunny hop button mashing, double-jumping off walls, spinning completely around and head-shotting someone while they are in a mid air freefall from an upper level platform through a hole in the wall the size of a grapefruit. 

Can we get off this now?  It is what it is.  Buy it or don't. 

I love when people compare a fantasy based MMO to a round based shooter.  They proclaim all is bad, while ignoring that the only similarity to the two games are that they are both first person view oriented.  Every other detail in the game is vastly different from one another.  There is not going to be any bunny hop button mashing, double-jumping off walls, spinning completely around and head-shotting someone while they are in a mid air freefall from an upper level platform through a hole in the wall the size of a grapefruit. 

 

Can we get off this now?  It is what it is.  Buy it or don't. 

I laughed SO fucking hard.

The FPV is supposed to bring back the old school dungeon crawling rpg feel.

If you remember the old DnD rpg's from the 90's. 
It's that FPV feel they are going for.

Bunny hopping isn't a problem as long as devs put in mechanics to eliminate that sort of play.
someone said something about CoD.  I don't know what one they're playing, but you can't do that in CoD4 or World at War.  Day of Defeat, the other FPS build off of Halflife, didn't allow it either.

I also agree with the guy that said that the 3rd person view is what turned DFO melee combat into such a mess.

Originally posted by joeballs

Seems like a big mistake to me. Who would want to be limited to just seeing what's in front of you in a game where your enemies can come from all directions? No peripheral vision makes no sense whatsoever. They should just add the whole zoom out, zoom all the way in option.

Thats the idea of these new MMOs

you are suppose to bekeeping your wits about you and need to look around and behind you offen

its about sneaking up on players and players being aware of their environment alot more

first person view is intended i think

There will be no bunnyhopping because as you draw your sword you enter a "combat stance", which significantly slows you down. Jumping at that point will only serve to drain your stamina and make you an easier target.

As for first person view, I love it. My favourite game is Half-Life 2 and it made an excellent job of creating immersion from a first person perspective. Morrowind/Oblivion was also a whole lot of fun.

Not sure why people are so worried. I can only assume those people have little to no experiece of actually playing FPV games.

Originally posted by joeballs

Seems like a big mistake to me. Who would want to be limited to just seeing what's in front of you in a game where your enemies can come from all directions? No peripheral vision makes no sense whatsoever. They should just add the whole zoom out, zoom all the way in option.

Have you played 3th person shooter? MO will have much of the feeling of FPS and that is great. That introduce many new gameplay elements into traditional 3-th person. The difference is just like between 3-th person adventure and 1-st person shooter game. It depend what you preffer. FP MMO segment is pretty emtpy so its great that MO will fill it up.

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

Originally posted by Horkathane

Well this is enlightening. At first I was going to write this game off as another shadowbane but with only FPV this makes open PvP more playable. I think allot of the outta control is due to 3rd person view. Most people can be reckless and safe knowing that theya re attacking someone and can see if someone comes to assist but now you can sneak up on someone and get the jump but you wont know if someone starts wacking you right after you are in battle.

 

You mustve never played a fps.  Expect alot of FF specialy if you so happen to walk next to your team mate. Due to tunnel vision he'll attack you cause he sees movement.

Theres a reason why fps games end up being a benny hill show with click fest o rama.

Play CS, CoD, AoC (hl2 mod) TF2...etc etc.   CQ equals trying to run outside of your enemys tunnel vision and keeping him in urs as you Spray.  Hand to Hand, well play any CoD and youll understand why the best way to knife someone is to run to the extreme right or left of there person.  Only good thing about fpv is that your body doesnt get in the way of aiming in a shooter.

Also 3rd person view is more realistic.  The only time you see in tunnel vision is usualy when your about to pass out.  OBE excluded, We see in 3rd person all time its just most arnt aware of it. Your mind is aware of your body , its position and its surrondings.  How detailed said image depends on you.

Anyways it kinda sucks its FPV, kinda turns me off toward the game. But if everyone says its good, actualy good and not DF fanboi its good. Ill buy it.

Hopefuly you can see your body when you look down.  I feel like a floating head when all you see is empty space when you look down.

Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums, and that's saying a lot.

 

We see in third person?  What planet are you from?  We here on earth only see in first person.  We see out of the eyeballs that are located inside our heads that is attached to the rest of our body.  We do not see from floating eyeballs located some thirty yards behind us. 

 

I love when people compare a fantasy based MMO to a round based shooter.  They proclaim all is bad, while ignoring that the only similarity to the two games are that they are both first person view oriented.  Every other detail in the game is vastly different from one another.  There is not going to be any bunny hop button mashing, double-jumping off walls, spinning completely around and head-shotting someone while they are in a mid air freefall from an upper level platform through a hole in the wall the size of a grapefruit. 

 

Can we get off this now?  It is what it is.  Buy it or don't. 

FPV in games doesn't give the player access to peripheral vision thats what he is refering to.