Originally posted by Honkie

Originally posted by galliard1981

I am not sure how is this cinematic related to the thread.

But i feel realy sad too. WAR should be shadowbane 2.0, not wow 2.0

Too me it lacked 3 things:

Many independent races instead of artificial factions.

Hardcore pvp with death penalty (not necessarily full looting)

Pretty graphics instead of wowish one.

 

I agree with this.  Races that actually matter in your choice (with plenty of viability, not "every class X must be race Y or you're gimp), lots of customization (including the possibility of oddball dagger dwarf priest builds, for example), gameworld affecting consequences to your interactions.  The thing launched wonderfully...then everyone found out how little War has to offer in terms of variety, individuality, pvp, etc., and the population slumped.

The only thing I disagree with you about is "wow 2.0".  It's more like "wow 0.2".  I might have been more disappointed in a gaming purchase, but I can't think of when...

You know i try to stay objective cause i think most people have a point in there statements to a point atleast..... But you lose complete creditability when you just talk crap.

I live in nottingham 5 minutes from GW and been there for years so firstly how can you say warhammers graphics should be anything other tha they are ? they been like that for 30 odd years you want them to recreate every model they ever made just  case some game like WOW ripped them off GW models a few years ago?

Really i can understand you wanting certain thiungs from a game like harder death penalties and more of a sandbox but comparing them to wow when it came 30 yrs later is just retarded.

War's graphics are nothing like WoW's.......Don't be stupid. Also thats how they looked on the board game.

I have no problem what so ever with the grpahics of WAR, but yes I do agree the game does need some help with it's death penalty.

It's leaning far too much on the side of casual that it's just not an issue dying at all, other than perhaps at time a bit of a walk back to the main grp.

I'm also starting to get a little frustrated with the mirror classes, but I do enjoy playing them, but would have preferred something that your not going to see on the other factions side and thus creating a stalemate situation.

Other than that I do enjoy playing WAR, I am fortunate that I had no preconcieved expectations of the game and how it should look or feel, I came in only knowing that the game had a long history as a table top warfare game.

Originally posted by zazz

Originally posted by Honkie

Originally posted by galliard1981

I am not sure how is this cinematic related to the thread.

But i feel realy sad too. WAR should be shadowbane 2.0, not wow 2.0

Too me it lacked 3 things:

Many independent races instead of artificial factions.

Hardcore pvp with death penalty (not necessarily full looting)

Pretty graphics instead of wowish one.

 

I agree with this.  Races that actually matter in your choice (with plenty of viability, not "every class X must be race Y or you're gimp), lots of customization (including the possibility of oddball dagger dwarf priest builds, for example), gameworld affecting consequences to your interactions.  The thing launched wonderfully...then everyone found out how little War has to offer in terms of variety, individuality, pvp, etc., and the population slumped.

The only thing I disagree with you about is "wow 2.0".  It's more like "wow 0.2".  I might have been more disappointed in a gaming purchase, but I can't think of when...

You know i try to stay objective cause i think most people have a point in there statements to a point atleast..... But you lose complete creditability when you just talk crap.

 

I live in nottingham 5 minutes from GW and been there for years so firstly how can you say warhammers graphics should be anything other tha they are ? they been like that for 30 odd years you want them to recreate every model they ever made just  case some game like WOW ripped them off GW models a few years ago?

Really i can understand you wanting certain thiungs from a game like harder death penalties and more of a sandbox but comparing them to wow when it came 30 yrs later is just retarded.

 

 

 

Who were you talking to, Zazz, me?  The other guy?  Please be more selective in your replies if you want them to make sense.  Also, basing them in reality helps too.  How you can say that this:  http://www.wallpaperez.net/wallpaper/games/Warhammer-Mark-of-Chaos-Battle-1521.jpg  looks as bad as this:  http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/images/screenshots/WAR_ss_may09-12.jpg  is beyond me.  The in-game graphics don't have anywhere near the detail, grit, shine, coloring...it's a washed out crappier version by far.  it's the implementation in the online game which came out wow-ish, not the original artwork of the game itself, which is quite different.  How you can saw WoW came out 30 years after Warhammer Online makes no sense either, since WoW clearly came out first by several years.  Oh, you're talking about WoW coming out after the original tabletop Warhammer game?  Then perhaps we should compare Warcraft (the original source of WoW) to Warhammer (the original source of Warhammer Online), with a difference of...drum roll please...11 years.  But hey, you were only off by about 2/3, so bully for you bud.

Furthermore...living near a place doesn't have any bearing on credibility.  Getting your facts straight does though, and you failed miserably at that.

What I find funny in the 300.000 posts i read so far, is the fact that people still come with the argument WoW stole Warhammer designs and concepts from whatever century you guys think off. Its the totaly brainless excuse, to someway, keep their dream game in a kind of magical uber state...a kind of superiority comparing to WoW. So after the game completly failed to what was anounced from Mythic "hey..is  a great game cause WoW copyed the orcs and trees and the rabbits". But none of you can stop a minute to think where did War copyed this design from... lol I'm not even going to say... use your head, chilled and slap yourself.

This argument is ridiculous... and sad.

Plus... ewwww... dont say War is a WoW 2.0 cause really has nothing to do with it. Even WoW offers more freedom.... chapter 1 follow road to chapter 2 and continue. Not to mention the fact every 25 meters you walk, your zoning into something.

Originally posted by Devour

You know what the saddest thing about Warhammer Online is?

The original game that got shut down because Games Workshop thought it wasn't "economically viable" was going to be akin to a sandbox game, as it was based off the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying game. Thing SWGs system in a fantasy setting and you're pretty damn close.

So, yeah...

It's pretty much GW's fault that we don't have a very nice sandbox game sitting on the market right now.

( Well, other than Wish, which also got shut down due to the fact it cost too much. I'm seeing a pattern, here. )

Video of original Warhammer Online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQvPQJ1_Dk

I agree. It have probably also something to do with GW selling "Warhammer fantasy roleplaying game" also.

The original system would have been really cool, now it is very close to similar games. Only one of my friends that are GW fans play this game (they are at least 25 people BTW), the rest think it is too close to Wow and not close to the original IP).

And whats wrong with Skavens?

I watched that trailer and it looks really crappy. 

Originally posted by Devour

You know what the saddest thing about Warhammer Online is?

The original game that got shut down because Games Workshop thought it wasn't "economically viable" was going to be akin to a sandbox game, as it was based off the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying game. Thing SWGs system in a fantasy setting and you're pretty damn close.

So, yeah...

It's pretty much GW's fault that we don't have a very nice sandbox game sitting on the market right now.

( Well, other than Wish, which also got shut down due to the fact it cost too much. I'm seeing a pattern, here. )

Video of original Warhammer Online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQvPQJ1_Dk

Holy shit! That video made me interested in playing WAR! It had a lot more WAR feeling then the game we see now.

So they were gonna do a good game, but decided to make a WoW-clone instead? Welcome to showbusiness : (

i liked warhammer as a game i could play for the odd month . its not a mmo i d want to invest a lot of time in but its a great stopgap . the scenarios are fun but it lacks a game world feeling thats its problem .

It woulda sucked just like WAR does.

Tbh Blizzard shoulda made Warhammer Online, they can create some amazing lore.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

No the saddest thing is GW letting Mythic make the game.

I have to second this one. Mythic does not have the vision to make great MMORPGs, but they rather make things small and casual. I even heard that they once said: We are not creating a world, we are creating a game.

With that kind of attitute it is no wonder WAR has turned into such an extreme themepark MMORPG. They dont even want to create the feeling of a Warhammer world.

Not to mention balancing. Game been out for what, 9 months? And patch 1.3 has fundamentally changed how combat damage works and put everything on its head which will lead to months of balancing to sort out. And all that just because some AoE was OP?

No, Mythic are not nearly competent enough to be compared to companies like Blizzard.

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Originally posted by redhands123

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Originally posted by Devour

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Originally posted by redhands123

damn man, they were gonna have skaven in that one too. UGGGH!

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What's wrong with skaven? They're some of the best villains in the P&P!
Also, to the other guy, the point is that it would've been a FAIRLY high quality sandbox, instead of the crap we're getting nowadays.

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No, no, no, you misunderstood. I was saying they were gonna have skaven as a playable race AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE COOLEST SHIT EVER!

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Skaven were never a CHaracter Race Choice in the CLimax Warhammer Online
Neither were Greenskins or Dark Elves

They hinted Chaos toons would be something you could work towards..

Player Races
Ogre (male Only)
Elf
Dwarf
Hobbit
Human

Game basically used the Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing rules

The game had a lot of people following it .... Climax needed a ton more money to finish it and Games Workshop just couldn't afford it...so it folded...

Originally posted by Devour

Originally posted by redhands123

damn man, they were gonna have skaven in that one too. UGGGH!

 

What's wrong with skaven? They're some of the best villains in the P&P!

Also, to the other guy, the point is that it would've been a FAIRLY high quality sandbox, instead of the crap we're getting nowadays.

Like as a themepark it's a high quality MMO?

There hasn't been a first rate sandbox game on the market for players to really try... or at least, a sandbox offering from a top tier company.  The first 2 generations of MMO players have more or less been handheld to the point of losing any reason to use their imaginations or innovative sides. 

I realize that there were a few games early on that were more thinker-friendly, but as companies chased high-customer counts they went further and further away from 'open' and the reigns were taken out of the players/customers hands in their gaming world.  We pay monthly fee's to ride on rails.

thats what u get for hiring bunch of new guys to program  mmo, nothing good will come out of it. 

Originally posted by JGMIII

I don't know.

Do you really have any idea how small the group of players are that would rather a open ended sandbox game?

The sandboxy type mmos are coming out now and imo its not really a good thing we have a small community and to streach us across too many games is bad imo.

UO is still going, Eve, Ryzom, Wurm, DF and now with games like MO, ER and FE how many more could we really ask for.

These open endged games are awesome to us but we are a very small minority, to blame investors and devs houses because they actually want to make money instead of catering to a extremely small niche isn't fair imo.

MMOs are a business and our tiny playerbase in the next year or so will have more then enough games to mess with we don;t need WAR to be a sandbox.

 

 

You bring up a nice list of sandbox games.  Funny, if they are so great, why doesn't the OP support it rather than waste his time and money on WAR?

War went from hero to zero for me as well.

Originally posted by Devour

You know what the saddest thing about Warhammer Online is?

The original game that got shut down because Games Workshop thought it wasn't "economically viable" was going to be akin to a sandbox game, as it was based off the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying game. Thing SWGs system in a fantasy setting and you're pretty damn close.

So, yeah...

It's pretty much GW's fault that we don't have a very nice sandbox game sitting on the market right now.

( Well, other than Wish, which also got shut down due to the fact it cost too much. I'm seeing a pattern, here. )

Video of original Warhammer Online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQvPQJ1_Dk

What a bunch of lies you got there, the original Warhammer Online was a PVE only game where you could play Empire only!!!

So please don't make up stuff.