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Gallup shows proof that the 21% Club is losing ground with just about everyone in America due to it's outdated model and out-of-touch policies. The Democratic party appears to be staying younger in age, while the Republican party appears to be staying elderly in age. Excerpt:
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5/19/09 3:24:52 AM#2
more lies from the left wing media fox news is way up in the ratings and is the number 1 cable channel in america more and more people are turning out to the tea partys and look for the july 4th tea party to have millions of real americans obama is dropping in the polls like a rock the left wing is dying and everyone knows that by 2010 we will have everything besides the white house back that the lovely and powerful sarah palin will take in a landside in 2012 |
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5/19/09 3:37:48 AM#3
I think the Gay Marriage movement has been vastly more intolerant to discussion then their opposition. Everytime someone says they do not support gay marriage, they put their hands over their ears screaming Bigot or Homophobe. I think the decline can be explained as a mistrust of the 2 party system in general. Although Republican numbers are declining, Democrat numbers aren't increasing at the same rate. There is also a growing independant conservative movement through young people coming out of college. I think its the realization that Obama is planning to put them in debt an additional $6k/year. |
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5/19/09 5:09:23 AM#4
Originally posted by Cleffy
Actually from my experience, it's the other way around. Just take a look at the debates on this forum. Not only are the anti gay marriage supporters getting slaughtered in these debates, they often just give up, realising that they really have no arguement to stand on. About them screaming bigout or homophobe, geez, you think? Tolerance grows with each new generation and if republicans keep up this old fashioned intolerant conservative views, they are going to grow out of touch with a modern society. Also stillkillin, i hope your post was sarcasm. if not !: Fox news is so high because they are the only conservative right wing station left 2: The amount of people visiting these so called tea parties is completely neglectable 3: Sarah Palin? hahahaha, i don't think I even need to adress that. |
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5/19/09 8:25:02 AM#5
Maby Im just Blind But I dident see anything saying that Liberals are gaining anything... If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. |
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5/19/09 8:41:39 AM#6
Originally posted by stillkillin
Obama's approval rating has not changed in months, steadily hovering between 61 and 65% I thought Fox news was fair and balanced? How would that be an indicator of anything. :) I look forward to watching rednecks teabag each other.
Palin? You have got to be kidding me. I could beat her in a presidential election, and I'm not even old enough to run. She's a moron. Plain and simple. |
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Faxxer
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Joined: 11/19/05
Star Wars Galaxies, R.I.P. NGE was your final death blow. |
5/19/09 9:02:19 AM#7
Originally posted by Gameloading
Actually from my experience, it's the other way around. Just take a look at the debates on this forum. Not only are the anti gay marriage supporters getting slaughtered in these debates, they often just give up, realising that they really have no arguement to stand on. About them screaming bigout or homophobe, geez, you think? Tolerance grows with each new generation and if republicans keep up this old fashioned intolerant conservative views, they are going to grow out of touch with a modern society. Also stillkillin, i hope your post was sarcasm. if not !: Fox news is so high because they are the only conservative right wing station left 2: The amount of people visiting these so called tea parties is completely neglectable 3: Sarah Palin? hahahaha, i don't think I even need to adress that.
If you actually read your post, it's clear you really are just making up stuff. "just take a look at the debates on this forum..." Are you shitting me? you're not refering to prejean are you? The girl that said the EXACT same thing Obama did about gay marriage? is THAT your proof that there is homophobia here? no, this gallup poll is just another attempt to try and pile on, but everyone on the left doesn't see the massive wave people that have had enough and are going to make a change into a better direction. I encourage you all to keep on thinking that conservatives are the minority...that way I can enjoy your horror come the next election cycle. the term "knashing of teeth" comes to mind actually. lol |
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5/19/09 9:12:06 AM#8
Originally posted by Gameloading
Actually from my experience, it's the other way around. Just take a look at the debates on this forum. Not only are the anti gay marriage supporters getting slaughtered in these debates, they often just give up, realising that they really have no arguement to stand on. About them screaming bigout or homophobe, geez, you think? Tolerance grows with each new generation and if republicans keep up this old fashioned intolerant conservative views, they are going to grow out of touch with a modern society. Also stillkillin, i hope your post was sarcasm. if not !: Fox news is so high because they are the only conservative right wing station left 2: The amount of people visiting these so called tea parties is completely neglectable 3: Sarah Palin? hahahaha, i don't think I even need to adress that.
Maybe to you the debates were a slaughter for anti-gay marriage, but to me it was you putting your hands over your ears and screaming Bigot and Homophobe. I don't think it matters what a euro thinks on the matter anyway considering I will continue to vote against Gay Marriage simply because of the name they choose. The fight on Gay Marriage isn't about legalizing it. Practicing Gay Marriage is perfectly legal if bonds shared in ceremony are enough. The fight is about state recognition of gay marriage and that itself runs a very steep cost for the words this nation was founded on. That being a nation composed of many religions and seeing the evils both the state has to religion and religion has to state. My nations seperation of church and state works both ways. In the case of recognizing Gay Marriage, it means that a word derived from religious definition is changed into one against several religions. The intolerant Gay Marriage Advocates however, cannot accept this excuse. They do not want to change the legal term to Civil Union, it must be Marriage. Anyone who expresses that Marriage is between a man and a woman is attacked and ridiculed for their thoughts. All for what, a tax write off, the right to act for your spouse incase they are incapacitated, and sharing state spousal benefits. Thats just not good enough for me to go against the principle of seperation of church and state. Having 1% of the US population collectively demonstrating across the country is a relatively large movement since the ones that show up only represent a small amount of the movement as a whole. That is unless you consider the Million Man March as a small demonstration thats neglectable. Sarah Palin is also one of the few Governors who has prevented their state from experiencing the budget crisis most states have encountered. She must have some good executive intellect. As a governor she is one of the most accomplished in US history. I really don't know why people act like they are smarter then the woman or could do a better job. |
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5/19/09 9:21:13 AM#9
Originally posted by Faxxer
If you actually read your post, it's clear you really are just making up stuff. "just take a look at the debates on this forum..." Are you shitting me? you're not refering to prejean are you? The girl that said the EXACT same thing Obama did about gay marriage? is THAT your proof that there is homophobia here? no, this gallup poll is just another attempt to try and pile on, but everyone on the left doesn't see the massive wave people that have had enough and are going to make a change into a better direction. I encourage you all to keep on thinking that conservatives are the minority...that way I can enjoy your horror come the next election cycle. the term "knashing of teeth" comes to mind actually. lol
What I was refering to was the part where he said that it was in favor of pro gay marriage who were intolerant and keeping their hands on their ears.While if you actually look at the debates on this forum, you'll notice it's the other way around. Also there is a quite a bit of difference between Obama's views and Prejeans views. Obama believes marriage is between a man and a woman but has said he does not think it should be banned and that banning it goes against what the US stand for. Miss fakeboobs,however, decided to campaign to ban gay marriage. I'm sure you and your imaginary conservative army are going to change next time around. What's quite funny is that your so called "prediction" has already happened, just not the way you want it. People had enough of conservatists and Republicans and thus voted for Obama, The republican party is now near an all time and low and doesn't seem to even try to prove any sort of opposition to Obama. These so called people that "Have had enough" are a small minority. Get it through your skull, the vast majority of people who are displeased with Obama didn't vote for him in the first place. |
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5/19/09 9:33:23 AM#10
Originally posted by Cleffy
Maybe to you the debates were a slaughter for anti-gay marriage, but to me it was you putting your hands over your ears and screaming Bigot and Homophobe. I don't think it matters what a euro thinks on the matter anyway considering I will continue to vote against Gay Marriage simply because of the name they choose. The fight on Gay Marriage isn't about legalizing it. Practicing Gay Marriage is perfectly legal if bonds shared in ceremony are enough. The fight is about state recognition of gay marriage and that itself runs a very steep cost for the words this nation was founded on. That being a nation composed of many religions and seeing the evils both the state has to religion and religion has to state. My nations seperation of church and state works both ways. In the case of recognizing Gay Marriage, it means that a word derived from religious definition is changed into one against several religions. The origins of marriage are far to old to be traced back and to say that it has a religious definition is a huge assumption on your part. Also, there are many different kind of religious groups. When people speak of "Christianity", they are talking of many different kinds of groups and churches. There is no "one" christianity or "one" islam. What many states are currently doing is that they recognize what some churches, but not what others do. That's not giving equal treatment to all forms of religion, thats not seperation of church and state. The intolerant Gay Marriage Advocates however, cannot accept this excuse. They do not want to change the legal term to Civil Union, it must be Marriage. Anyone who expresses that Marriage is between a man and a woman is attacked and ridiculed for their thoughts. All for what, a tax write off, the right to act for your spouse incase they are incapacitated, and sharing state spousal benefits. Thats just not good enough for me to go against the principle of seperation of church and state. Having 1% of the US population collectively demonstrating across the country is a relatively large movement since the ones that show up only represent a small amount of the movement as a whole. That is unless you consider the Million Man March as a small demonstration thats neglectable. Sarah Palin is also one of the few Governors who has prevented their state from experiencing the budget crisis most states have encountered. She must have some good executive intellect. As a governor she is one of the most accomplished in US history. I really don't know why people act like they are smarter then the woman or could do a better job.
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5/19/09 9:43:21 AM#11
I know there are decend Republicans. I even know people who are gay and Republican. Still, a lot of them seem to be driven by hate, which roots in fear. Fear to lose the supremacy can make people do a lot of things. Ususally they are not aware of it themselves, so while what Obama said about them is certainly true, it is that they are not aware of what really drives them. Their fear to lose their place at the top of society. It was the fear of the white men to have blacks as equals once, and now is a more dffiuse feeling of anxiety. Of course they can not admit it to themselves, for it would destroy their self image, so while they feel it sometimes, they dont know it. They read things like this, and only feel the projected hate against us, which have none such fears, us who trust in diversity and tolerance, us who accept people. They fear what is different and want to control it. In the inside is a fundamentally negative image on humans, people who must be controlled and kept at bay at the end of a gun. Yes they hate us, and yes they fight us - in dirty ways. But I feel only pity for them. They are locked away in their own arena of fear and hate, they have placed themselves into a fortress of lies and fear and anger, and deep inside they feel their days are passing now. They flee from the vastness of the free world into images hundreds of years old, into safe pseudo-explanations to prevent themselves from seeing their true roots of their movitations: fear. People like that who can't cope with a society of diversity are in every nation, but they are diminishing. More and more people are realizing, that a modern and diverse society is nothing to fear, no matter what they tell. People have been fooled by the propaganda of hate and greed, and finally more and more are waking up from that bad dream. Sure, those who remain roar load, but its an old tiger who is loosing his teeth, and we must only pity them.
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The stock market is comfortably now around 8,500 daily. The days of insane drops are gone. Republicans know this, it's why they want to talk again about "core values and principles".
President Obama is gaining momentum for his national health plan in Congress among politicians of both sides. There will be new legislation on American automobiles that will make the world first nationalized auto emissions standard, reducing fuel costs and dependancy to Saudi shiekhs by almost double. The fact that American carmakers painted themselves into this corner to be pushed to make more fuel efficient cars is the funniest. The people are finally going to get what they want (more fuel efficiency and protection of the environment) due to Wall Street's greed.
I wonder at what number the Republicans can apply for federal aid as part of the national Endangered species list? |
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5/19/09 11:11:27 AM#13
Originally posted by Gameloading
The origins of marriage aren't that old. As I have told you before. Before it was used for religious union, it was used as a method to join families and create offspring. It has solely been a union between a man and a woman until the 20th century. What I say is quite simple. If gay couples want their marriage recognized by the state, then change the name to civil union. I would be fine with recognizing a civil union between 2 people and marriage being a form of civil union. However, the term marriage is a term held by religious bodies to mean a specific thing. They should have the right to allow what type of marriages happen within their religion. By changing the definition of marriage, gay couples may be able to charge or protest churches opposed to uniting them. The way it was written in California was worded as such. "Gay Marriage is a constitutional right" However no where in the constitution has marriage ever been a right. The first ammendment only allows religion to practice while it does not infringe on the rights of another human being. And yes, it shouldn't matter what someone from Europe thinks when making decisions for America, just like it doesn't matter what an American thinks about decisions Germany makes that don't affect America. In the US, we had people in New York protesting a church in New York about a proposition being passed in California. It didn't affect the decision of California. |
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Fox news ratings don't matter and have noting to do with the GOP losing demographics. The fact that most Republicans sit in front of the T.V. at night has nothing to do with their popularity with the country. I bet half of the people watching Fox News are liberals who are waiting around for Bill O to slip up again for the millionth time like he did saying American troops committed war crimes at Malmady or watching Glenn Beck and his national "Cry Along" hour.
Fox News Poll for Obama's job approval ratings since January: January 27th- 64% approve, 17% disapprove. February 17th- 62% approve, 19% disapprove. March 3- 61% approve, 21% disapprove. March 31- 52% approve, 35% disapprove. April 22- 57% approve, 29% disapprove. May 12- 57% approve, 30% disapprove.
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qazyman
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Joined: 10/04/06
A Good Sandbox isn't about your characters abilities; It's about the players ability. |
5/19/09 11:26:35 AM#15
As long as Rush and Cheney are front and center the republicans are DOA. This is a real problem for the party because they are not as adept at change as the Democrats. They are in the same place the liberals were after the nation rejected there core ideology in the 70's, and it wasn't until Clinton taught the party how not to be liberal that they begin to rebound. I know it is hard, but conservatives will have to find a way to not be so conservative but still retain there core identity. I think it will take the republicans longer than it did the democrats. |
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5/19/09 11:50:25 AM#16
Originally posted by Cleffy
The origins of marriage aren't that old. As I have told you before. Before it was used for religious union, it was used as a method to join families and create offspring. It has solely been a union between a man and a woman until the 20th century. What I say is quite simple. If gay couples want their marriage recognized by the state, then change the name to civil union. I would be fine with recognizing a civil union between 2 people and marriage being a form of civil union. However, the term marriage is a term held by religious bodies to mean a specific thing. They should have the right to allow what type of marriages happen within their religion. By changing the definition of marriage, gay couples may be able to charge or protest churches opposed to uniting them. The way it was written in California was worded as such. "Gay Marriage is a constitutional right" However no where in the constitution has marriage ever been a right. The first ammendment only allows religion to practice while it does not infringe on the rights of another human being. 2nd, This situation has happened before, the only difference is that the issue was interracial marriage, which as we both know is now fully legalized and recognised. This tells us two things: And yes, it shouldn't matter what someone from Europe thinks when making decisions for America, just like it doesn't matter what an American thinks about decisions Germany makes that don't affect America. In the US, we had people in New York protesting a church in New York about a proposition being passed in California. It didn't affect the decision of California.
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5/19/09 11:52:57 AM#17
Although this is the OT forum, this thread isn't about gay marriage, so please stay on topic. |
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More confirmation by Republicans on their plight and future woes:
Some moderates within the GOP can see the light, but the problem is that religious backbone there is dragging them back from evolving into a moderate, more independant thinking group. They just have to many dinosaurs in the party that they can't get rid of by 2012.
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outfctrl
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Joined: 11/16/03
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5/19/09 1:59:21 PM#19
Well, I know of one more Republican. my Son turned 18 and is getting his voter registration card. REPUBLICAN I have twins(boy/girl) that are 16, both are hard core Republicans. When they turn 18, two more. They have conveyed to me the fear of socialism and excessive spending. All are Catholic too. It is just a matter of time until the Dems fall. |
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5/19/09 2:08:00 PM#20
Originally posted by outfctrl The only way for the dems to fall is for the republicans to change their ways. What were you suggesting with your kids? That the republican party is somehow on the rise because your three kids are now republicans? I seriously doubt your kids have a true political standpoint of their own. |
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