Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong.

 WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.

 

Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.

Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.

 

 

Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.

if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.

If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong.

 WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.

 

Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.

Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.

Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.

if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.

If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers

Nope Maple story is talking about players. And 5 servers? haha, have you seen in how many countries maple story is available?

But of course, ask an american, there's nothing outside of the US 

Seriously, if you only take China alone, that's already more than enough to overflow anything. (and I am not even talking about the mmos they have there we don't know about).

edit: yeah I was a little off, Maple story is more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count..... when you are reaching those numbers it isn't really a difference, is it?

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong.

 WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.

 

Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.

Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.

Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.

if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.

If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers

 

Nope Maple story is talking about players. And 5 servers? haha, have you seen in how many countries maple story is available?

But of course, ask an american, there's nothing outside of the US 

Seriously, if you only take China alone, that's already more than enough to overflow anything. (and I am not even talking about the mmos they have there we don't know about).

 

edit: yeah I was a little off, Maple story is more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count..... when you are reaching those numbers it isn't really a difference, is it?

 

 

ehhh, you dont understand, MS probably has a MAX of 2million active players world wide, not 75 million....there is not even 75 million mmorpg players for MS to have 75 million people actually playing it.

Look how many people drink coke and eat mcdonalds......does that mean these things are great???? no they are crap. People do what other people do.....its plain and simple. WoW can be crap and have 11.5 million subs. People are not Donkies but they sure as hell are sheep.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Its his opinion the wow is Over rated. Because it does not agree with the masses does not mean he is wrong.

 WoW is jsut lucky imo, it has 20% of the mmorpg market share last time i read.

 

Last time I checked Mapple story had 75 million players, Perfect world 50 million and there are several other mmorpgs with dozens of millions of players. Wow has what, 11 millions? That's far from 20%.

Most western mmos have 100-300k players... talk about an insignifiant minority.

Those are registerd accounts not active players, F2P games tend to have allot of registerd accounts because its easy to do.

if wow counted its registerd accounts rather than Active paying accounts the number will be closer to 30-40 million.

If maple story had 75 million accounts i think it will have a little more than 5 servers

 

Nope Maple story is talking about players. And 5 servers? haha, have you seen in how many countries maple story is available?

But of course, ask an american, there's nothing outside of the US 

Seriously, if you only take China alone, that's already more than enough to overflow anything. (and I am not even talking about the mmos they have there we don't know about).

 

edit: yeah I was a little off, Maple story is more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count..... when you are reaching those numbers it isn't really a difference, is it?

 

 

ehhh, you dont understand, MS probably has a MAX of 2million active players world wide, not 75 million....there is not even 75 million mmorpg players for MS to have 75 million people actually playing it.

Did you read my edit? more than 50 million players and 92 million accounts at the last count.

Max 2 million worldwide? Come on. So the 2 million worldwide users have spent 30 million USD on the >US only< cash shop in 2008?  And it''s a free 2 play game, most players don't purchase anything.

Have you been to countries like China or Korea? Have you ever seen how the mmo culture is in those countries? Have you ever seen an mmo launch in those countries, the huge marketing campains with painted buses driving all over the main cities etc...?

2 million worldwide.... even for Korea it's nothing, don't even talk about China.

edit: and don't forget that in many Asian, South amercian (yes maple has brazilian servers), etc... countries there are more people with computers that can't play 3D games than people who can, so 2D games like maple story are the only mmos they can play.

But anyway, back to your main point.... I think that even if we agree to disagree on the numbers, we can agree that we have enough evidence of wow's small market share, even if it is the most successful western mmo (..... oh... wow also has servers in Asia ).

SgtFrog, seriously, don't you think that an mmo like Perfectworld (>THE< Chinese WoW), with servers all over Asia, South America, Europe and the US, can have 5x more active players than wow? Perfectworld beeing a free to play mmo vs pay to play?

The numbers are in front of your eyes, you just need to open them.

These numbers aren't surprising. If someone told an mmo, beeing free to play AND Chinese, had more than 5x the wow numbers, I would believe it. Actually, I am surprised it's only 5x more.

Originally posted by BigMango

SgtFrog, seriously, don't you think that an mmo like Perfectworld (>THE< Chinese WoW), with servers all over Asia, South America, Europe and the US, can have 5x more active players than wow? Perfectworld beeing a free to play mmo vs pay to play?

The numbers are in front of your eyes, you just need to open them.

These numbers aren't surprising. If someone told me Perfectworld, beeing free to play, had more than 5x the wow numbers, I would believe it. Actually, I am surprised it's only 5x more.

 

 

my friend you are the one who needs to open his eyes if you think MS has 50 million active players.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by S1GNAL

Originally posted by Maggotscream

Originally posted by S1GNAL

Originally posted by Ever-Angel

for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal

 

And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
 

 

 That is your opinion, Angel. ;)

But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.

 

 

WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?

 

 Short answer, Yes.

 

Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.

 

 

So the nazis where right?

wow is populer because of hype and its IP and for most people its there first mmorpg so they dont know any better...

This is a ridiculous argument.

Like it or not, WoW is the most popular MMORPG because it is hands down the most polished, complete product on the market. It also has far more content and features than any other MMORPG.

Whether or not you like it, these facts are not in dispute.

Originally posted by Anubisan

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by S1GNAL

Originally posted by Maggotscream

Originally posted by S1GNAL

Originally posted by Ever-Angel

for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal

 

And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
 

 

 That is your opinion, Angel. ;)

But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.

 

 

WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?

 

 Short answer, Yes.

 

Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.

 

 

So the nazis where right?

wow is populer because of hype and its IP and for most people its there first mmorpg so they dont know any better...

 

This is a ridiculous argument.

Like it or not, WoW is the most popular MMORPG because it is hands down the most polished, complete product on the market. It also has far more content and features than any other MMORPG.

Whether or not you like it, these facts are not in dispute.

If everyone was like you we would all be drinking coke, eating mcdonalds, watching friends, listening to nickleback and playing WoW. O what a wonderful world that would be!!!

Free to play sucks, at least if they do offer an item mall with the usual overpowered options you will expect to find in this endless real money sink.

However a model similar to Guild Wars would be nice as it is Pay for New Content. Although there is no reason why they can't charge people for expansions AND charge monthly fees, it would be like shooting their own knees when they can just squeeze people's pocket for both, although EVE and GW don't do that.

And even if you play ONE HOUR PER WEEK, it will be hard to find another entertainment option for the same 15 bucks.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by BigMango

SgtFrog, seriously, don't you think that an mmo like Perfectworld (>THE< Chinese WoW), with servers all over Asia, South America, Europe and the US, can have 5x more active players than wow? Perfectworld beeing a free to play mmo vs pay to play?

The numbers are in front of your eyes, you just need to open them.

These numbers aren't surprising. If someone told me Perfectworld, beeing free to play, had more than 5x the wow numbers, I would believe it. Actually, I am surprised it's only 5x more.

 

 

 

my friend you are the one who needs to open his eyes if you think MS has 50 million active players.

You see, actually >my< eyes are open, since I have been to those countries. Instead of making thoughts and having "ideas" out of thin air I have witnessed the situation myself.

But of course the random mmorpg forum posters and armchair specialists who have never seen anything else outside of wow know better.

Even without going there, simple logic shows the numbers reported by the media all over are real. And the cash shop sales numbers only confirm this.

As you said above, you believe that the 30 million USD sales for 2008 for the US (not taking into account the other countries) are in line with 2 million players world wide, knowing most f2p players never purchase anything.

The truth is, what is surprising is that a free to play game (with servers all over the world including huge countries like Brazil, China, etc... - and even more so for a 2D game knowing the popularity of low end computers in those countries) only has 5x more players than a pay to play game.   - from this perspective wow is doing very well.

Nothing more needs to be said.

But anyway, there is no need to argue about this as we all know that for the american Joe there is nothing outside of the US

Just look at the cybercafes and internet shops they have around every corner in Korea, China, Thailand, etc... you will start to see how huge the gaming industry is overthere.

Originally posted by masterbbb26

Originally posted by Anubisan

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by S1GNAL

Originally posted by Maggotscream

Originally posted by S1GNAL

Originally posted by Ever-Angel

for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal

 

And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
 

 

 That is your opinion, Angel. ;)

But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.

 

 

WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?

 

 Short answer, Yes.

 

Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.

 

 

So the nazis where right?

wow is populer because of hype and its IP and for most people its there first mmorpg so they dont know any better...

 

This is a ridiculous argument.

Like it or not, WoW is the most popular MMORPG because it is hands down the most polished, complete product on the market. It also has far more content and features than any other MMORPG.

Whether or not you like it, these facts are not in dispute.

If everyone was like you we would all be drinking coke, eating mcdonalds, watching friends, listening to nickleback and playing WoW. O what a wonderful world that would be!!!

I like turtles!

Originally posted by Anubisan

Originally posted by SgtFrog

Originally posted by S1GNAL

Originally posted by Maggotscream

Originally posted by S1GNAL

Originally posted by Ever-Angel

for some of us who spend only 2-3 hours a day playing games this is a better deal

 

And AoC is far better then most pay to play mmos out there includeing the highly overrated WoW.
 

 

 That is your opinion, Angel. ;)

But telling people AoC is a better game than WoW is just making one look stupid. Most MMO gamers would agree with me. Look at how many play WoW and compare to AoC, and you get the picture of who likes what game.

 

 

WoW has more more players than UO but does that mean it's a better game?

 

 Short answer, Yes.

 

Do you think people are donkies who just happen to play WoW cos it sux? How can so many people be wrong? I have played WoW, and I find stuff in that game that I have never seen in another MMORPG. I think that is why.

 

 

So the nazis where right?

wow is populer because of hype and its IP and for most people its there first mmorpg so they dont know any better...

 

This is a ridiculous argument.

Like it or not, WoW is the most popular MMORPG because it is hands down the most polished, complete product on the market. It also has far more content and features than any other MMORPG.

Whether or not you like it, these facts are not in dispute.

Just wanted to point out that even though your correct on the popular/polish and complete comments about WoW compared to the MMO market the remarks about most content and features is wrong, you will find that an old MMO called Everquest 1 holds that title with it's amazing 15 expansions of content.

hello:)

Originally posted by Sneakers05

maybe open up a cash shop and charge by expansions like guild wars. This is what this game feels like any way, a more opened but not by much guild wars.

 

Save your losses. Man up. Learn where the hell you scrubs went wrong on AOC and make a new mmorpg.

I been playing this game on and off ( 2 breaks to try out DF and WAR) for a year and i've had fun. I consider the money well spent. Of course i don't play 16 hours a day and live in my moms cellar but thats another thing,