please provide us with a link to an official source claiming a previously announced launch date -- because there was none

heres a post from 2007  - 2 years ago

www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php

in my pcgamer magazine, that first had news of gw2, it was coming out in 2009/2010

thats as close as Ive seen for an expectation - but it was not announced by ANET

Sorry but there was never an official statement from Arenanet as to when we will see Guild Wars 2. Those years 2010/2011 are mearly a speculative timeline. We never once received an exact  month or a day associated with those years. Not to worry though at the rate they are going we might not see any real GW2 info,concept art or even a teaser trailer until the next oh "50 years" I would say.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Sorry but there was never an official statement from Arenanet as to when we will see Guild Wars 2. Those years 2010/2011 are mearly a speculative timeline. We never once received an exact  month or a day associated with those years. Not to worry though at the rate they are going we might not see any real GW2 info,concept art or even a teaser trailer until the next oh "50 years" I would say.

Alot of people seem to be getting RELEASE and BETA TESTING mixed up. MMOs spent agest in beta testing. Most go a 3 month minimum. GW1 was in various incarnations of a beta test for nearly a year. It's true that there was never a RETAIL RELEASE date set. But for the last time, at some point of GW2's development, the BETA was set for the last quarter of 2008.

Originally posted by Gennadios

at some point of GW2's development, the BETA was set for the last quarter of 2008.

got a link to validate this ?

the only ANET announcement, that I'm aware of,  states they were hoping for beta in 2008  

until they announced in June 2008 that there would be no player beta in 2008    period

mmorpg.com forum link  (dated June 2008)

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187331/GW2-FAQ-no-beta-for-2008.html

official source link

www.guildwars.com/products/guildwars2/gw2faq/

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Gennadios

at some point of GW2's development, the BETA was set for the last quarter of 2008.

got a link to validate this ?

 

 

the only ANET announcement, that I'm aware of,  states they were hoping for beta in 2008  

until they announced in June 2008 that there would be no player beta in 2008    period

 

mmorpg.com forum link  (dated June 2008)

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/187331/GW2-FAQ-no-beta-for-2008.html

official source link

www.guildwars.com/products/guildwars2/gw2faq/

Do you have a link to invalidate this? You're showing links that are basically saying "oh, our bad, there will be no 2008 beta, as all of you were expecting." Where do you think those expectations came from?

Just to humor you: Link to the June 2008 official guild wars wiki entry

Which refrences the gw2 faq that was up until around june 2008 (surprising, but FAQs get updated.) This is also the last chronological update that still referred to the 2008 beta. The faq that came out around that time noteably removed any mention of a beta date, and the upcoming changes and features section of the wiki followed suit.

If you're up for a little bit of extra sleuthing, use the wayback machine to find the older GW2 faqs from the GW website. I was planning on producing a link to that also, but the ISP at my current location is mistaking it for a proxy server and firewalling it.

EDIT: And now I'm feeling a little bit stupid for missing this in the first place, but here's the obvious tidbit from the horses mouth itself, the official, current GW FAQ:

When will there be a beta?

Although we publically alpha- and beta-tested the original Guild Wars while it was still in early development, with Guild Wars 2 we will commence beta testing closer to the game's release. With that in mind, we will not start beta testing in 2008 as we had originally planned. Guild Wars 2 is a very large and ambitious game, and Guild Wars players rightfully have very high expectations of its quality. We want players to be absolutely blown away by the game the first time they experience it.

Originally posted by Gennadios

 You're showing links that are basically saying "oh, our bad, there will be no 2008 beta, as all of you were expecting." Where do you think those expectations came from?

no I'm not saying that

I'm saying they were hoping to do beta in 2008

but its been public information for almost a year, since 06/27/08,  that ANET revised the beta to an unknown future date beyond 2008

massively.com also reported this last year June

www.massively.com/2008/06/27/guild-wars-2-beta-not-in-2008/

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Gennadios

 You're showing links that are basically saying "oh, our bad, there will be no 2008 beta, as all of you were expecting." Where do you think those expectations came from?

no I'm not saying that

 

I'm saying they were hoping to do beta in 2008

but its been public information for almost a year, since 06/27/08,  that ANET revised the beta to an unknown future date beyond 2008

 

massively.com also reported this last year June

www.massively.com/2008/06/27/guild-wars-2-beta-not-in-2008/

"Hoping" is not a term that really applies in the business world. If plans for a beta are announced in official FAQs and corporate websites, then it qualifies as an official deadline. If that deadline comes and goes and the only information that comes to light is a statement that they can't make any more statements, then for all intents and purposes, the term "delayed" can be used freely.

My only real case is against everyone that's been crying bloody murder whenever somebody implied that there was ever a set timeline and expressed disappointment that it was not met.

Now, after navigating the webway of incomplete archives, I've located one of the few offending statements I remember reading:

Archived from the Anet games page on Jan 22, 2008 (the last archive date available):

Guild Wars: Eye of the North also provides a bridge to the upcoming release of Guild Wars 2, the new game that ArenaNet is currently working on. Guild Wars 2 will take place over 200 hundred years after the events portrayed in Guild Wars: Eye of the North, and is scheduled to go into public beta in the second half of 2008.

"Scheduled"... they seem far to sure of themselves here for them to really mean "hoping."

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Originally posted by Gennadios

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Originally posted by Nadia

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Originally posted by Gennadios
 You're showing links that are basically saying "oh, our bad, there will be no 2008 beta, as all of you were expecting." Where do you think those expectations came from?

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no I'm not saying that
 
I'm saying they were hoping to do beta in 2008
but its been public information for almost a year, since 06/27/08,  that ANET revised the beta to an unknown future date beyond 2008
 
massively.com also reported this last year June
www.massively.com/2008/06/27/guild-wars-2-beta-not-in-2008/

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"Hoping" is not a term that really applies in the business world. If plans for a beta are announced in official FAQs and corporate websites, then it qualifies as an official deadline. If that deadline comes and goes and the only information that comes to light is a statement that they can't make any more statements, then for all intents and purposes, the term "delayed" can be used freely.
My only real case is against everyone that's been crying bloody murder whenever somebody implied that there was ever a set timeline and expressed disappointment that it was not met.
Now, after navigating the webway of incomplete archives, I've located one of the few offending statements I remember reading:
Archived from the Anet games page on Jan 22, 2008 (the last archive date available):
Guild Wars: Eye of the North also provides a bridge to the upcoming release of Guild Wars 2, the new game that ArenaNet is currently working on. Guild Wars 2 will take place over 200 hundred years after the events portrayed in Guild Wars: Eye of the North, and is scheduled to go into public beta in the second half of 2008.
"Scheduled"... they seem far to sure of themselves here for them to really mean "hoping."
 

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your right it was originally scheduled for beta in 2008, but that schedule was revised due to the larger scope of the project and the restructure of ANet and NC West in 2008

;)

Lol Zorndorf, ArenaNet never ever gave an exact release date. You keep pointing out the beta date - so what? What does that have to do with anything? You can't use the postponement of the beta to fuel what you're speculating. They have been very clear about their "we'll release it when it's ready" policy.

Releasing it when it's ready is great and all, but damn, a little tidbit of information here and there would go a long way.  Maybe a dev blog/diary, or something...not asking for a daily play by play of how development is going, but a little unhyped corner of their website with a little information getting updated would be fabulous.

There's a difference between hyping a game far too early and letting out a small, steady stream of info to keep interested fans interested.

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Originally posted by Honkie
Releasing it when it's ready is great and all, but damn, a little tidbit of information here and there would go a long way.  Maybe a dev blog/diary, or something...not asking for a daily play by play of how development is going, but a little unhyped corner of their website with a little information getting updated would be fabulous.
There's a difference between hyping a game far too early and letting out a small, steady stream of info to keep interested fans interested.

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I'm talking to Linsey Murdock today so I shall mention it as an idea

Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

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Actually the Dev Blog/Diary is a really god idea

 

I'm talking to Linsey Murdock today so I shall mention it as an idea

Any update on how the suggestion went or when they're planning to start releasing info? SW:TOR released a batch of photoshop mockups and a cinematic and it's the #1 anticipated game. GW2 hasn't even releasedn warrant it's own MMORPG.com page.

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Originally posted by Gennadios

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Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

Actually the Dev Blog/Diary is a really god idea
 
I'm talking to Linsey Murdock today so I shall mention it as an idea

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Any update on how the suggestion went or when they're planning to start releasing info? SW:TOR released a batch of photoshop mockups and a cinematic and it's the #1 anticipated game. GW2 hasn't even releasedn warrant it's own MMORPG.com page.

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I think many people are right in here....Guild Wars 2 needs to not be rushed into production.  We have already seen what rushed MMO's look like: Vanguard, Age of Conan, and more recently WAR all Flops.  NC Soft is too smart for this: they know they already have a huge fanbase in Guild Wars 1 so the potential to make a lot of money is already there.  Though they have a huge dilema in the form of "Aion" but this gamer thinks not so.....why?

Explanation:  Well Guild Wars 2 will be free and thats great, that means that I can afford to atleast pay for 1 MMO maybe it will not be Aion but for some gamers maybe it will.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that Guild Wars and Aion can co-exist because you don't have to pay for both monthly just one of them.  Also I don't think that Aion was the reason for the 2010 launch of GW2  I've been playing NCsoft games since the first day that GW came into the scene.  They want this game to be massive and perfect, I truly believe they are taking there time with it, and I don't mind waiting for it, and neither should you.

I think many people underestimate the franchise of Guild Wars and it will surprise many companies and gamers....here are some finer points of the game that I love.

Huge PVE with many levels and encounters, plus the Epic dungeons are great.

Excellent PVP

Large assortment of skills: though I wish they would raise up the amount of skills you can use at once.

Can't wait for GW2

Originally posted by susanto1228

I think many people are right in here....Guild Wars 2 needs to not be rushed into production.  We have already seen what rushed MMO's look like: Vanguard, Age of Conan, and more recently WAR all Flops.  NC Soft is too smart for this: they know they already have a huge fanbase in Guild Wars 1 so the potential to make a lot of money is already there.  Though they have a huge dilema in the form of "Aion" but this gamer thinks not so.....why?

 

Explanation:  Well Guild Wars 2 will be free and thats great, that means that I can afford to atleast pay for 1 MMO maybe it will not be Aion but for some gamers maybe it will.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that Guild Wars and Aion can co-exist because you don't have to pay for both monthly just one of them.  Also I don't think that Aion was the reason for the 2010 launch of GW2  I've been playing NCsoft games since the first day that GW came into the scene.  They want this game to be massive and perfect, I truly believe they are taking there time with it, and I don't mind waiting for it, and neither should you.

 

I think many people underestimate the franchise of Guild Wars and it will surprise many companies and gamers....here are some finer points of the game that I love.

Huge PVE with many levels and encounters, plus the Epic dungeons are great.

Excellent PVP

Large assortment of skills: though I wish they would raise up the amount of skills you can use at once.

 

 

Can't wait for GW2

I don't think the delay of GW2 has anything to do with Aion either.  I believe ArenaNet made huge game design decision that required them to develop new technology.

I also agree that the GW franchise will have a large impact on the market.  I too would like just a bit of information here and there.

I don't agree with the idea that a larger skill bar would make the game better. More skills would mean more possibility for inbalance, and as anyone who PvP'd in the later campaigns knows that is something we don't want. :) 

If you recall, the last quarter of 2008, when the beta was supposedly to begin, was the coming of the near collapse of the world economy. Going closed beta means release will come in a matter of months. I doubt very much they want to release the sequel to a HUGE financial success like Guild Wars during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Thus, the very vague indications of a 2010-2011 release. In the meantime they are likely honing the product with a reduced staff, ready to ramp up when the climate looks better for release. It would be foolish to release two major products (Aion + GW2) in this economic climate. The good news is the economy appears to be recovering faster than predicted. If things keep improving economically I wouldn't be shocked to see it come out early 2010 or even by Christmas this year.

Originally posted by caelach

If you recall, the last quarter of 2008, when the beta was supposedly to begin, was the coming of the near collapse of the world economy. Going closed beta means release will come in a matter of months. I doubt very much they want to release the sequel to a HUGE financial success like Guild Wars during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Thus, the very vague indications of a 2010-2011 release. In the meantime they are likely honing the product with a reduced staff, ready to ramp up when the climate looks better for release. It would be foolish to release two major products (Aion + GW2) in this economic climate. The good news is the economy appears to be recovering faster than predicted. If things keep improving economically I wouldn't be shocked to see it come out early 2010 or even by Christmas this year.

 

 

They've already said themselves they have twice as many people working on GW2 then they did on GW1.

As for the christmas release this year or early 2010 release, that's being VERY optimistic. I'm expecting a late 2010 release, and that's still being optimistic.

Looks like all eyes are on Aion to make it big like it did in Korea.

 If this is due to Aion release or not, it just means GW2 developers will have more time to work on their game before release.

They never gave us solid dates though other than beta previsions, they even didn't give us much information about GW2, plus you don't see it on gaming expositions yet.

It can only mean the game is still far from reaching a presentable state. Presentable is a relative idea, I could say many MMO releases weren't what I consider presentable. ANet's "presentable" idea has always been on a very high level.