Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by DEATHRAMENT

ive played this games several times and the only reason why i quit was do to low population, not anything else u said, thats the reason people are not playing today the Population sucks.

 

Population only sucks, because maybe people realized, it wasn't a good game....

Britney Spears must be a good musical artist, because, so many people listen to her music...

Obviously, for many people, this game is good.  For the OP, and what he is apparantly looking for in a game, it is not.  Arguments like this are silly, and are bogging down these forums.

Originally posted by ougarit

1° I agree with the OP
2° to the fanboys: we live in democracy, so you MUST respect opinions.

 

Well, no. Even in a democracy I only respect educated and balanced opinions. This modern thinking that everyone's opinions, no matter how stupid, intentionally jaudiced, or just plain wrong they are, are 'valid' and worthy of respect is beyond me. I will choose who I 'MUST' respect, thanks very much.

Especially on the interwebz.

VG is a good game, it does exactly what it says on the tin. It just needs more people to be the best social co-op PvE game out there imo.

Now that I have played the excellent TCoS as much as I want to (until they stick in new PvE, pref group, content at least), and SOE have stated that the new EQ server will be 50/51, and that all the new games (JGE, CO, etc) look just to be super casual lite ez mode soloers, Vanguard is getting another look from me.

C'mon SoE, time to give away the client and first month for free and get some advertising out there to encourage people to give it a go by now surely? Lets get some population into this beautiful world.

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by ougarit

1° I agree with the OP
2° to the fanboys: we live in democracy, so you MUST respect opinions.

 

 

Well, no. Even in a democracy I only respect educated and balanced opinions. This modern thinking that everyone's opinions, no matter how stupid, intentionally jaudiced, or just plain wrong they are, are 'valid' and worthy of respect is beyond me. I will choose who I 'MUST' respect, thanks very much.

Wow!! I can only applaud what you say about opinions.  To respect an opinion it has to be above all honest, and today one of the biggest flaws in the internet is people posting extreme stuff just hopping to get a rise out of the community.  The MMORPG forums are one of the best for tools to deal with this kinda stuff.  I tend to use the ignore option after someone posts enough times that I decide that they are not posting opinions but just meaningless noise trying to get a rise out of people. 

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by ougarit

1° I agree with the OP
2° to the fanboys: we live in democracy, so you MUST respect opinions.

 

 

Well, no. Even in a democracy I only respect educated and balanced opinions. This modern thinking that everyone's opinions, no matter how stupid, intentionally jaudiced, or just plain wrong they are, are 'valid' and worthy of respect is beyond me. I will choose who I 'MUST' respect, thanks very much.

Especially on the interwebz.

VG is a good game, it does exactly what it says on the tin. It just needs more people to be the best social co-op PvE game out there imo.

Now that I have played the excellent TCoS as much as I want to (until they stick in new PvE, pref group, content at least), and SOE have stated that the new EQ server will be 50/51, and that all the new games (JGE, CO, etc) look just to be super casual lite ez mode soloers, Vanguard is getting another look from me.

C'mon SoE, time to give away the client and first month for free and get some advertising out there to encourage people to give it a go by now surely? Lets get some population into this beautiful world.

 

Looks like pretty much we share the same opinions. Analyzing it, I cant get to understand why in the hell Sony is not giving the proper love to their online games division, or why all that love (if any) is going to EQ2 instead of VG.

I am not going to bash EQ2 here, not a bad game at all, but like Vesavius said, Vanguard is now everything that should be at the beginning, unfortunately was not that way two years ago, otherwise the MMORPG scene would be different now.

So another call to SOE from me... wake the hell up, get your head out off your ass cheeks and give VG the promotion it needs! Now depends on the MarComm team, the devs are doing their homework.

Eth.

I agree with the OP on this one, although I wish I didn't.

I was there since day one with this game when it was teeming with life, many many people online.

Bugs, lag, performance issues, character issues, etc etc etc, geez I mean threads upon threads on this

stuff.

Dev team has changed over many times, even putting interims to work with SOE on this game.  Slow patches and changes

that just don't make any sense.  For example the ranger notes on the next patch just got a nerf in the form of lower range????????????????????WTH as if the rangers weren't complaining already enough about the ranger and it's abilities, they go and nerf the range Oh man.

One huge issue with this game is still the performance, there servers are what 3 years old now and it's showing, chunk lines are still

an issue, you still become dismounted in a lot of areas, sometimes while you are flying.  If you are on a ship and you hit a chunk line you freeze for like 3 minutes and then "no boat" it's really frustrating and this was like 3 weeks ago.  Yah Vanguard does look like the most beautiful MMO out to date, but it's not very populated in ANY server and it never will because SOE refuses to spend more money on it and re-release it.  I probably give this game like 2 more years if even that.  By then you will have "the Old Republic" and "Guild Wars 2" which will pull more people away, say goodbye to Vanguard by then, it will be HISTORY.

Originally posted by Sneakers05

I played this game when it came out and a year after it came out, there were so many bugs and glitches, the animation definately did not feel fluid and felt sticky and clunky. The graphics are overrated and feel like clay lifeless models. the dungeons and bland and they also feel like you are not advancing. like dungeons in other mmos felt like you were going futher and deeper and saw different things as you delve in deeper.

 

This game does not have that, even the enemies and bosses are bland  so is the loot. There is really no reason to even do dungeons. In other games you can do dungeons to get better loot for that level and get good exp, in vanguard dungeons yea you can aquire exp but you get it faster if you solo, the gear is half assed and does not even scale.

 

it took them two years + to put in one  end game raid dungeon into the game. The population is extremely low and thats being gracious as well. The servers should be labled grave yard rather than low. Vanguard is the type of game that needs a good population to enjoy, nothing like walking for a very long time and not seeing another player insight.

 

One positive thing about the game is that the world is indeed very huge, huge but empty.

 

I also played the trial isle of the game it is nothing like what you will see after the isle. It is a gimmick to get you into their sheety game.

 

Do your self a favor stay far away from this game, even if it was free 2 play. save your PC the harddrive space.

 

This game only has one use, using the CD as a coaster for my drinks.

 

The clunkiness is actually why I don't play this.

I in no way want games to mimic WoW, but I would love it if the fluidity of WoW was standard in mmo's.

Originally posted by susanto1228

I agree with the OP on this one, although I wish I didn't.

 

I was there since day one with this game when it was teeming with life, many many people online.

Bugs, lag, performance issues, character issues, etc etc etc, geez I mean threads upon threads on this

stuff.

 

Dev team has changed over many times, even putting interims to work with SOE on this game.  Slow patches and changes

that just don't make any sense.  For example the ranger notes on the next patch just got a nerf in the form of lower range????????????????????WTH as if the rangers weren't complaining already enough about the ranger and it's abilities, they go and nerf the range Oh man.

One huge issue with this game is still the performance, there servers are what 3 years old now and it's showing, chunk lines are still

an issue, you still become dismounted in a lot of areas, sometimes while you are flying.  If you are on a ship and you hit a chunk line you freeze for like 3 minutes and then "no boat" it's really frustrating and this was like 3 weeks ago.  Yah Vanguard does look like the most beautiful MMO out to date, but it's not very populated in ANY server and it never will because SOE refuses to spend more money on it and re-release it.  I probably give this game like 2 more years if even that.  By then you will have "the Old Republic" and "Guild Wars 2" which will pull more people away, say goodbye to Vanguard by then, it will be HISTORY.

 

 

I don't think you could ever find a time when the servers were more alive than now.  Obviously, I know the merge from 12 to 3 PvE servers is the main factor.  But players per server is very healthy, and there are players everywhere.  I've played since Day 1 and started and Shirdeth and it was bustling with players all starting at level 1 and beginning their adventures.  Now after the merge and during a nice revival the game feels just as busy on Seradon at the high levels as day one did on Shirdeth at the low levels.

Yep, some bugs left.  Dismounting issues are a pain, they were gone, now they are back and it probably has something to do with new equipment buffs, permanent abilities, diplomatic buffs or guild hall buffs.  It'll get fixed again.

Ranged rangers, yeah, I'm sure they aren't happy to get their ranges reduced, but they will be able to get them back via AAs it appears.  That was clearly stated by the devs, although they didn't reveal the mechanism.

As far as performance, that is vastly improved, but you still will have to play on low settings if your PC is 4 year or older.  But pretty much anything newer than 2 years old is going to run it very well.  I have not heard anyone seeing chunk-lines, that might be PC related or a corrupt file.

Overall, Vanguard is in very good shape with a healthy and growing population.  Still some bugs, and a couple annoying ones too.  But performance is no longer and issue and the content updates have put more in the game than most people have time to complete.  I play around 15 hours a week and there is now way, I can complete all the content, no way.  It'll take me months to even hit the new level cap.

As far as <insert MMO of the day here> killing Vanguard?  Yeah, yeah, we've heard that for over 2 years now. First it was going to be Tabula Rosa, then LotRO, then AoC, then WAR, then Darkfall, etc. etc.  Vanguard will never be a mass market game like WoW and nobody that plays Vanguard cares.  The 3 PvE servers are healthy and the new content keeps coming and that is just fine.

This game is awesome, if I actually had time to play a dedicated MMO this would be it. Although the one down side is the PVP server is dead, had some brilliant times back in the day with VG PVP. /tear So take what I say with a grain of salt, but I do think if anyone is attempting to give this game a shot will not be dissapointed.

Peace

Originally posted by Sneakers05

I played this game when it came out and a year after it came out, there were so many bugs and glitches, the animation definately did not feel fluid and felt sticky and clunky. The graphics are overrated and feel like clay lifeless models. the dungeons and bland and they also feel like you are not advancing. like dungeons in other mmos felt like you were going futher and deeper and saw different things as you delve in deeper.

 

This game does not have that, even the enemies and bosses are bland  so is the loot. There is really no reason to even do dungeons. In other games you can do dungeons to get better loot for that level and get good exp, in vanguard dungeons yea you can aquire exp but you get it faster if you solo, the gear is half assed and does not even scale.

 

it took them two years + to put in one  end game raid dungeon into the game. The population is extremely low and thats being gracious as well. The servers should be labled grave yard rather than low. Vanguard is the type of game that needs a good population to enjoy, nothing like walking for a very long time and not seeing another player insight.

 

One positive thing about the game is that the world is indeed very huge, huge but empty.

 

I also played the trial isle of the game it is nothing like what you will see after the isle. It is a gimmick to get you into their sheety game.

 

Do your self a favor stay far away from this game, even if it was free 2 play. save your PC the harddrive space.

 

This game only has one use, using the CD as a coaster for my drinks.

 

Everyday I wonder how ppls make end conlusion from so limited and persolnal opinion. My personal opinion is that VG is the best Theme Park game on the market. Its already enough polished till the gameplay and the feeling is great.

The most problems that ppls face with VG is the Freedom. They are ppls that expect linear game that you have predefined path and there is no way to go around it.

VG is different he have freedom and feelling of real world. You have to make decission to progress and enjoy the game. If you do not like to make a decissions but just sit back and click keys and mouse button VG is not for you.

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I was never waiting for VG or expecting much from this game. Tried it not long ago, was very impressed and now having alot of fun. Several MMO vets I know gave it a try, all of them now playing and having good time.

I play on Halgar, there are alot of people around and all are very friendly.

So now tell me, what I should believe: brainless troll who has no clue about VG's current state, or my own eyes and MMO experience?

 I think you know the answer.

Originally posted by ougarit

Originally posted by boojiboy

Originally posted by susanto1228

I agree with the OP on this one, although I wish I didn't.

 

I was there since day one with this game when it was teeming with life, many many people online.

Bugs, lag, performance issues, character issues, etc etc etc, geez I mean threads upon threads on this

stuff.

 

Dev team has changed over many times, even putting interims to work with SOE on this game.  Slow patches and changes

that just don't make any sense.  For example the ranger notes on the next patch just got a nerf in the form of lower range????????????????????WTH as if the rangers weren't complaining already enough about the ranger and it's abilities, they go and nerf the range Oh man.

One huge issue with this game is still the performance, there servers are what 3 years old now and it's showing, chunk lines are still

an issue, you still become dismounted in a lot of areas, sometimes while you are flying.  If you are on a ship and you hit a chunk line you freeze for like 3 minutes and then "no boat" it's really frustrating and this was like 3 weeks ago.  Yah Vanguard does look like the most beautiful MMO out to date, but it's not very populated in ANY server and it never will because SOE refuses to spend more money on it and re-release it.  I probably give this game like 2 more years if even that.  By then you will have "the Old Republic" and "Guild Wars 2" which will pull more people away, say goodbye to Vanguard by then, it will be HISTORY.

 

 

 

I don't think you could ever find a time when the servers were more alive than now.  Obviously, I know the merge from 12 to 3 PvE servers is the main factor.  But players per server is very healthy, and there are players everywhere.  I've played since Day 1 and started and Shirdeth and it was bustling with players all starting at level 1 and beginning their adventures.  Now after the merge and during a nice revival the game feels just as busy on Seradon at the high levels as day one did on Shirdeth at the low levels.

Yep, some bugs left.  Dismounting issues are a pain, they were gone, now they are back and it probably has something to do with new equipment buffs, permanent abilities, diplomatic buffs or guild hall buffs.  It'll get fixed again.

Ranged rangers, yeah, I'm sure they aren't happy to get their ranges reduced, but they will be able to get them back via AAs it appears.  That was clearly stated by the devs, although they didn't reveal the mechanism.

As far as performance, that is vastly improved, but you still will have to play on low settings if your PC is 4 year or older.  But pretty much anything newer than 2 years old is going to run it very well.  I have not heard anyone seeing chunk-lines, that might be PC related or a corrupt file.

Overall, Vanguard is in very good shape with a healthy and growing population.  Still some bugs, and a couple annoying ones too.  But performance is no longer and issue and the content updates have put more in the game than most people have time to complete.  I play around 15 hours a week and there is now way, I can complete all the content, no way.  It'll take me months to even hit the new level cap.

As far as <insert MMO of the day here> killing Vanguard?  Yeah, yeah, we've heard that for over 2 years now. First it was going to be Tabula Rosa, then LotRO, then AoC, then WAR, then Darkfall, etc. etc.  Vanguard will never be a mass market game like WoW and nobody that plays Vanguard cares.  The 3 PvE servers are healthy and the new content keeps coming and that is just fine.

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You are really, really starting to sound desparate.

Originally posted by boojiboy

Originally posted by susanto1228

I agree with the OP on this one, although I wish I didn't.

 

I was there since day one with this game when it was teeming with life, many many people online.

Bugs, lag, performance issues, character issues, etc etc etc, geez I mean threads upon threads on this

stuff.

 

Dev team has changed over many times, even putting interims to work with SOE on this game.  Slow patches and changes

that just don't make any sense.  For example the ranger notes on the next patch just got a nerf in the form of lower range????????????????????WTH as if the rangers weren't complaining already enough about the ranger and it's abilities, they go and nerf the range Oh man.

One huge issue with this game is still the performance, there servers are what 3 years old now and it's showing, chunk lines are still

an issue, you still become dismounted in a lot of areas, sometimes while you are flying.  If you are on a ship and you hit a chunk line you freeze for like 3 minutes and then "no boat" it's really frustrating and this was like 3 weeks ago.  Yah Vanguard does look like the most beautiful MMO out to date, but it's not very populated in ANY server and it never will because SOE refuses to spend more money on it and re-release it.  I probably give this game like 2 more years if even that.  By then you will have "the Old Republic" and "Guild Wars 2" which will pull more people away, say goodbye to Vanguard by then, it will be HISTORY.

 

 

 

I don't think you could ever find a time when the servers were more alive than now.  Obviously, I know the merge from 12 to 3 PvE servers is the main factor.  But players per server is very healthy, and there are players everywhere.  I've played since Day 1 and started and Shirdeth and it was bustling with players all starting at level 1 and beginning their adventures.  Now after the merge and during a nice revival the game feels just as busy on Seradon at the high levels as day one did on Shirdeth at the low levels.

Yep, some bugs left.  Dismounting issues are a pain, they were gone, now they are back and it probably has something to do with new equipment buffs, permanent abilities, diplomatic buffs or guild hall buffs.  It'll get fixed again.

Ranged rangers, yeah, I'm sure they aren't happy to get their ranges reduced, but they will be able to get them back via AAs it appears.  That was clearly stated by the devs, although they didn't reveal the mechanism.

As far as performance, that is vastly improved, but you still will have to play on low settings if your PC is 4 year or older.  But pretty much anything newer than 2 years old is going to run it very well.  I have not heard anyone seeing chunk-lines, that might be PC related or a corrupt file.

Overall, Vanguard is in very good shape with a healthy and growing population.  Still some bugs, and a couple annoying ones too.  But performance is no longer and issue and the content updates have put more in the game than most people have time to complete.  I play around 15 hours a week and there is now way, I can complete all the content, no way.  It'll take me months to even hit the new level cap.

As far as <insert MMO of the day here> killing Vanguard?  Yeah, yeah, we've heard that for over 2 years now. First it was going to be Tabula Rosa, then LotRO, then AoC, then WAR, then Darkfall, etc. etc.  Vanguard will never be a mass market game like WoW and nobody that plays Vanguard cares.  The 3 PvE servers are healthy and the new content keeps coming and that is just fine.

 Just to let you know, this last patch pissed off alot of people over at the official forums and many are jumping ship again, take a gander over there and see how your population is again dwindling, when SOE should be focused on retaining as many as possible.  The only way I would play this game if it was F2P because it's not worth it on a montly fee.  There are better games that for their content and performance will give you a better experience in gameplay and for FREE.  One word that SOE truly hates.

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Originally posted by susanto1228
Just to let you know, this last patch pissed off alot of people over at the official forums and many are jumping ship again, take a gander over there and see how your population is again dwindling, when SOE should be focused on retaining as many as possible.  The only way I would play this game if it was F2P because it's not worth it on a montly fee.  There are better games that for their content and performance will give you a better experience in gameplay and for FREE.  One word that SOE truly hates.

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Have you played the game since the patch? There doesn't appear to be any dwindling of players to me. Forums will always have angry posts. That's where players go to voice their opinions/concerns/frustrations about the game! ANY game has angry posts on their forums, I don't care how popular or highly ranked the game is. LotRO has one of the most devoted communities I've ever seen for an MMO, but there are angry posts about aspects of the game all the time. New patches always bring out the angry posts as well because patches almost always change the game somehow.

That said, I will admit that many people who played rangers in Vanguard are upset. I will also say I think they were overpowered. Before the patch, I grouped up with a level 10 ranger on the Isle of Dawn. He was 1-shotting everything! Even red-dot mobs in the temple! That's just insane. He was even bragging about it, and flat out said rangers were overpowered. I'm sorry. People who like to play overpowered toons will always complain when their easy button gets taken away.

I played vg for about 2 hours a few months back durring a soe "try b4 you buy" marketing campagne. I saw a total of 5 other people and the game was horrible. Im not sure what was worse...eq2 or vg. I made it through 5 hours of eq2 before I had enough.
How anyone can play either game is beyond me. In todays society there is no way either game will be around in 5 years.
Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by Nizur

 

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Originally posted by susanto1228
Just to let you know, this last patch pissed off alot of people over at the official forums and many are jumping ship again, take a gander over there and see how your population is again dwindling, when SOE should be focused on retaining as many as possible.  The only way I would play this game if it was F2P because it's not worth it on a montly fee.  There are better games that for their content and performance will give you a better experience in gameplay and for FREE.  One word that SOE truly hates.

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Have you played the game since the patch? There doesn't appear to be any dwindling of players to me. Forums will always have angry posts. That's where players go to voice their opinions/concerns/frustrations about the game! ANY game has angry posts on their forums, I don't care how popular or highly ranked the game is. LotRO has one of the most devoted communities I've ever seen for an MMO, but there are angry posts about aspects of the game all the time. New patches always bring out the angry posts as well because patches almost always change the game somehow.

That said, I will admit that many people who played rangers in Vanguard are upset. I will also say I think they were overpowered. Before the patch, I grouped up with a level 10 ranger on the Isle of Dawn. He was 1-shotting everything! Even red-dot mobs in the temple! That's just insane. He was even bragging about it, and flat out said rangers were overpowered. I'm sorry. People who like to play overpowered toons will always complain when their easy button gets taken away.

Nizur don't even listen to susanto, the guy states he knows what's going on on the official forums yet also states in other posts that he doesn't have an active subscription.  You can't even view the official forums without an active subscription so obviously he is talking out his ass.

Originally posted by Nizur

 

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Originally posted by susanto1228
Just to let you know, this last patch pissed off alot of people over at the official forums and many are jumping ship again, take a gander over there and see how your population is again dwindling, when SOE should be focused on retaining as many as possible.  The only way I would play this game if it was F2P because it's not worth it on a montly fee.  There are better games that for their content and performance will give you a better experience in gameplay and for FREE.  One word that SOE truly hates.

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Have you played the game since the patch? There doesn't appear to be any dwindling of players to me. Forums will always have angry posts. That's where players go to voice their opinions/concerns/frustrations about the game! ANY game has angry posts on their forums, I don't care how popular or highly ranked the game is. LotRO has one of the most devoted communities I've ever seen for an MMO, but there are angry posts about aspects of the game all the time. New patches always bring out the angry posts as well because patches almost always change the game somehow.

That said, I will admit that many people who played rangers in Vanguard are upset. I will also say I think they were overpowered. Before the patch, I grouped up with a level 10 ranger on the Isle of Dawn. He was 1-shotting everything! Even red-dot mobs in the temple! That's just insane. He was even bragging about it, and flat out said rangers were overpowered. I'm sorry. People who like to play overpowered toons will always complain when their easy button gets taken away.

I don't know about you but I like playing MMORPG's with a lot of people and interact with them at ANY TIME OF DAY, conversly with Vanguard that seems to only be during Primetime and usually in the Newer areas like POTA and this is BS.  I can log on to Guild Wars which has been out longer than Vanguard and there is literally thousands of people online at any time of day that I can group up with.  Your post is silly VG servers are usually ghost towns, once everyones done slopping down some food and watching family guy, they log on for like an hour or so around 9pm-12pm and you guys gloat that its populated, thats BS and you know it.

and since some of you wish to look up my accounts and such, why don't you look up some of my older posts how I defended this game many times in the past, I have resubbed to this game 3 times already, I have a station pass card that I activated but have since uninstalled this crap game.  Say what you want, I've played this game for a year and a half straight when it came out.  Cancelled resubbed cancelled resubbed and finally cancelled again. So before you open yoru piehole know what your talking about.

Originally posted by susanto1228

and since some of you wish to look up my accounts and such, why don't you look up some of my older posts how I defended this game many times in the past, I have resubbed to this game 3 times already, I have a station pass card that I activated but have since uninstalled this crap game.  Say what you want, I've played this game for a year and a half straight when it came out.  Cancelled resubbed cancelled resubbed and finally cancelled again. So before you open yoru piehole know what your talking about.

Good for you.  It's obvious your not subscribed to the game now so quit bashing the new patch and talking about how everyone on the official forums is upset about it.  Fact is your not sub'd so you can't see the offical forums therefore you have nothing to bitch about or comment on.  You said your piece, you don't like the game, so quit trying to force your opinion of a game that you no longer play and probably havent played for months on everyone else.  Quit trolling and find something better to do with your time.

Originally posted by Hamrtime2

I played vg for about 2 hours a few months back durring a soe "try b4 you buy" marketing campagne. I saw a total of 5 other people and the game was horrible. Im not sure what was worse...eq2 or vg. I made it through 5 hours of eq2 before I had enough.
How anyone can play either game is beyond me. In todays society there is no way either game will be around in 5 years.
Just my 2 cents.

Guess VG and eq2 just weren't your cup of tea.  EQ2 is about to have it's 5th year anniversary in November and seriously I wouldn't be surprised if it was still around in another 5 years considering eq1  is 10+ years old and still around.