LOL while it may have been "fun", OP and other participants in this incident remind me of those idiots that videotape themselves committing crimes and posting them on youtube.

Originally posted by orionite

 

 

Interesting perception of fun. Don't you find it a little wierd to brag about using a known exploit? I mean, I don't play DF and I probably never will, as it's just not my cup of coco, but if this is the general attitude (and it seems to be, if there are hundreds of players participating in such an exploit event) then is it really so surprising that game developers and GMs have such a hard time?

My problem with a lot of MMOs are the players not the games ;)

 

yes, this is what you can expect from the "people" playing.

 I vote this thread the most painful DF thread of the week... ouchies.

... but gosh Jane I am so surprised that DF GMs are unprofessional and there a whole load of gameplay mechanics existing in a gray area between legitimate or exploits status. Its not like this game is badly planned, thought out and executed with a insane ranting lead developers and idiotic fanbase... 

oh... riiiiiight :)

Good grief.....Paragus' excellent write ups almost had me consider playing this game, despite it's multitude of documented flaws, because I have a buddy who plays and his write up made me nostalgic about Shadowbane.......until I read this. 

Thanks OP for clearing my head, I must still be hungover to even have considered......

Originally posted by ilydamdris

I think this is probably the second poster from the darkfall forums that have posted something here that the entire website, even the fanboys have flamed for retardation. This thread makes me sad in the pants.

But from the OP's account there were more then 200 people participating.

Isn't that like...
half the playerbase?

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.)

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by ilydamdris

I think this is probably the second poster from the darkfall forums that have posted something here that the entire website, even the fanboys have flamed for retardation. This thread makes me sad in the pants.

 

But from the OP's account there were more then 200 people participating.

Isn't that like...
half the playerbase?

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.)

I'm sorry, I'm not following. What does the amount of people doing something stupid in game have to do with me saying that this is probably one of only a few people that have posted something stupid here, that the entire website seemingly have attacked him for. Are you implying that most of the people attacking him here, are in fact hypocritical players that did the same thing in the game? I'm not trying to sound like a smartass, I honestly didn't understand your response to my quote.

Originally posted by ilydamdris

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by ilydamdris

I think this is probably the second poster from the darkfall forums that have posted something here that the entire website, even the fanboys have flamed for retardation. This thread makes me sad in the pants.

 

But from the OP's account there were more then 200 people participating.

Isn't that like...
half the playerbase?

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.)

 

I'm sorry, I'm not following. What does the amount of people doing something stupid in game have to do with me saying that this is probably one of only a few people that have posted something stupid here, that the entire website seemingly have attacked him for. Are you implying that most of the people attacking him here, are in fact hypocritical players that did the same thing in the game? I'm not trying to sound like a smartass, I honestly didn't understand your response to my quote.

i don't think he's saying that.

but what you said -- that is NOT unheard of.  

Originally posted by ilydamdris

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by ilydamdris

I think this is probably the second poster from the darkfall forums that have posted something here that the entire website, even the fanboys have flamed for retardation. This thread makes me sad in the pants.

 

But from the OP's account there were more then 200 people participating.

Isn't that like...
half the playerbase?

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.)

 

I'm sorry, I'm not following. What does the amount of people doing something stupid in game have to do with me saying that this is probably one of only a few people that have posted something stupid here, that the entire website seemingly have attacked him for. Are you implying that most of the people attacking him here, are in fact hypocritical players that did the same thing in the game? I'm not trying to sound like a smartass, I honestly didn't understand your response to my quote.

I was actually being the smartass.

What you wrote just made me giggle at a thought.

In the process I inadvertently missread what you wrote. 
I took it the wrong way.

LOL this might actually be a 1st!!!

Darkfall dislikers and Fanbois coming together and actually agreeing on a subject....priceless!

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

Ok so people throughout Darkfall have been using a great way to train rigor by encouraging mass participation within major alliances. Basically we have 15-30 spell casters with the earth magic called earthquake and then we form a pyramid with non-casters surrounding the casters. Everyone donates reagents for the casters to use.

 

Then they click and release the AOE spell which trains our rigor skill while we don't get hurt since they don't hold onto the spell. Earthquake is a spell that does DOT around the caster and hurts everyone in range. But we don't take damage which lets us train rigor 100X faster than normal. This was suppose to be a smart way to train a skill but the GM's recently declared it an exploit.

 

Yesterday, while we just formed our pyramid after over an hour of organizing 200+ people a GM talked on public chat while we were taking advantage of game mechanics. I later found out that they destroyed another 'rigor party' in another major clan/alliance by kicking people. First our alliance leader tried to persuade the GM that it isn't an exploit but it failed since the GM said that the devs considered it an exploit. Then he started talking bs with some sarcasm which was hilarious.

 

Soon the GM began kicking people but there were too many people so I barely noticed people disappearing. Our casters just logged back in after being kicked so the GM couldn't beat us. He kept trying and trying but for some reason he couldn't kick us fast enough. Then we spammed public chat with stuff like "MORTAL ONLINE" and "MO" and the chat was flooded like crazy and it became more laggier. 

Eventually the GM gave up and we used the rigor pyramid all last night into the morning when the servers went down for daily restart. We did it the whole day also today and the GM isn't interfering anymore because we kicked his ass. We are going to do it until they patch it in about 7 hours which is the patch tomorrow morning. It was the first time that I saw a GM back down from the biggest alliance in the game.

 

Fun.

 

 

Here is a screenshot of the public chat from another city that had a rigor pyramid going on and a GM interrupting it.

 

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6103/afkkkkk.jpg

 

 

 

You did it, you finally did it.  You made this game look shit in a way that even the fanboys can't deny.

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by ilydamdris

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by ilydamdris

I think this is probably the second poster from the darkfall forums that have posted something here that the entire website, even the fanboys have flamed for retardation. This thread makes me sad in the pants.

 

But from the OP's account there were more then 200 people participating.

Isn't that like...
half the playerbase?

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.)

 

I'm sorry, I'm not following. What does the amount of people doing something stupid in game have to do with me saying that this is probably one of only a few people that have posted something stupid here, that the entire website seemingly have attacked him for. Are you implying that most of the people attacking him here, are in fact hypocritical players that did the same thing in the game? I'm not trying to sound like a smartass, I honestly didn't understand your response to my quote.

I was actually being the smartass.

What you wrote just made me giggle at a thought.

In the process I inadvertently missread what you wrote. 
I took it the wrong way.

Hehe, No worries then. And yes it is rather interesting to see both sides uniting against something. So good on you OP, as laughable as your post was, it made some decent conversation in here. Halfwit, or Brilliance on his part...you decide.;)

Originally posted by blackthornn

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir   

 I later found out that they destroyed another 'rigor party' in another major clan/alliance by kicking people.

and yet when the fiasco of corrupt gm's disrupting sieges (and otherwise cheating to help their own character's alliances and such) the lord of all things spindoctoring, I mean Tasos,  stated in public releases to the gaming press that GM's in DF cannot kick players from the game and that's part of how they knew the claims were false :P.

So you are saying the OP is a liar?   I just want to be clear.   

To be honest I can't make any sense out of the screenshots of all that chat, so I'm not sure who to believe.

But mind you, we've learned not to believe a single thing that comes out of Tasos and he really says their GMs cannot kick players?   With the community forming around Darkfall, that's like sending peacekeepers into Somalia with nothing but whiffle bats.

Originally posted by Krayzjoel

LOL this might actually be a 1st!!!

Darkfall dislikers and Fanbois coming together and actually agreeing on a subject....priceless!

Agreed...there IS hope after all.

Originally posted by blackthornn

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir   

 I later found out that they destroyed another 'rigor party' in another major clan/alliance by kicking people.

 

and yet when the fiasco of corrupt gm's disrupting sieges (and otherwise cheating to help their own character's alliances and such) the lord of all things spindoctoring, I mean Tasos,  stated in public releases to the gaming press that GM's in DF cannot kick players from the game and that's part of how they knew the claims were false :P.

Tasos never said GMs couldn't kick people.  What he said was Aventurine checked the logs and found the reports of the GMs being corrupt (at that time) weren't true.  He also said that GMs don't have the power to crash the server:

"First of all GMs cannot crash the server, or cause a client to crash. They cannot create items or money. All their actions and communications are monitored and logged. We re-checked all chat logs and GM activity for every report mentioned in the forums or reported to us at the help desk, over the time periods that the questionable conduct was supposed to have taken place and found absolutely nothing. Because of this, any public accusations on the forums accusing GMs or the company of any such activities will be removed, and everyone contributing in the thread will be banned from the forums.

GM activity is always monitored by us. If you would like to report GM conduct, then you should use support.darkfallonline.com to do so if you have proof of misconduct."

In this case, was a GM abusing his or her power?  Who knows?  It does seem like the rigor pyramid is an expoit, but that the GM didn't really have enough power to stop it.

~Ripper

The OPs post was pretty funny

This is why we can't have nice things!

I'm known as a Darkfall "troll" but hearing stories like the op's make me want to play df. Absolute chaos that GM's can't even control, Sign me Up!!!    Does this happen alot or is this an isolated incident?

This should be Darkfall's selling  point,  macro, hack, and exploit all you want in the chaotic lands of Darkfall!!!! Now I would play that game!!!!

Damn, I really wanted this game to succeed, I think a lot of us wanted this game to succeed but it is getting harder and harder to support it with statements like this in the thread:

“I too was there at that party and it sure was fun to watch. Everyone does this and i dont consider it as failing the game. Darkfall still remains to be the best mmorpg avaible for me.”

This tells me such actions take place all the time…almost as if finding a way to antananize game GM’s is a sport of kinds. Darkfall could have been another Eve, it could have been the answer to a call of combining PvE with PvP. Unfortunately, I do not see the game going in this direction if these this kind of action is being taken, this is not hardcore PvP nor does it have anything to do with being a hardcore player.
 

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by lornj

why wouldnt the gm just log all the names of the people standing there and then ban them at a diffrent time?

Because of money, DF is not Wow where they could mass ban 10K people and no one would even notice it.

This is unfortunately a logic often seen, and one that tears a game apart. Banning 200 people for exploiting will lose you 200 subscribers now. Not banning them will lose you 2000 down the line as people don't like cheaters getting away with it.

Best option: suspend the 200 for a week and reset the exploited achievements - or delete the characters. 150 of the 200 will stick around, and so will those 2000 who would leave if you did nothing.

(Yes, numbers are picked out of the air. It's just an example to make a point.)

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by blackthornn

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir   

 I later found out that they destroyed another 'rigor party' in another major clan/alliance by kicking people.

 

and yet when the fiasco of corrupt gm's disrupting sieges (and otherwise cheating to help their own character's alliances and such) the lord of all things spindoctoring, I mean Tasos,  stated in public releases to the gaming press that GM's in DF cannot kick players from the game and that's part of how they knew the claims were false :P.

Tasos never said GMs couldn't kick people.  What he said was Aventurine checked the logs and found the reports of the GMs being corrupt (at that time) weren't true.  He also said that GMs don't have the power to crash the server:

"First of all GMs cannot crash the server, or cause a client to crash. They cannot create items or money. All their actions and communications are monitored and logged. We re-checked all chat logs and GM activity for every report mentioned in the forums or reported to us at the help desk, over the time periods that the questionable conduct was supposed to have taken place and found absolutely nothing. Because of this, any public accusations on the forums accusing GMs or the company of any such activities will be removed, and everyone contributing in the thread will be banned from the forums.

GM activity is always monitored by us. If you would like to report GM conduct, then you should use support.darkfallonline.com to do so if you have proof of misconduct."

In this case, was a GM abusing his or her power?  Who knows?  It does seem like the rigor pyramid is an expoit, but that the GM didn't really have enough power to stop it.

~Ripper

so um blackthornn... do you have information that contradicts the above (+link)?  or were you lying?