Originally posted by Sneakers05

Originally posted by Mystik86

Not exactly Blizzard's fault, but in general they've taken any good idea from any other MMO and implemented it in their game. The problem nowadays is that companies are trying to replicate all these tried and true features in their game and not innovating and using things from what we know to be unexplored territory...

 

Yes but WoW was successful and even though we say its watered down it was the best mmo for its time, and it wasnt even blizzard that started the watered down garbarge it was SOE with the EQ expansions IE Planes of Power.

You think Planes of Power was watered down? Did you even manage to get to Plane of Time? The raid progression in that expansion was fantastic. Rallos Zek the Warlord was an immense raid encounter and required real tactics to win. The rest of the flagging process was great too.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by Daffid011

Yeah wow opened servers and suddenly other companies couldn't release half finished games anymore and get praised for doing so.  Oh noes!!1!1!11eleven!!11!! the big boy games can't compete anymore so lets all blame one company for taking their time and delivering a quality product. 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone I would like to show you the type of player WoW brought to the genre.

These players lack patience, this guy has no idea that Every MMO released was somewhat unfinished and evolved over the next few months to a year after release.

WoW also release unfinished and with bugs my friend, its only that you're are new to the genre that you think every MMO needs to release in the quality of Wotlk.

If you were an older MMO player you would even talk of unfinished games at release because thats just how it is.

What a bunch of complete CRAP.
 

Any proof for your social study ?

Of course not.

I have one proof though: you don't even play WotLK these days.

So you have NO idea that Ulduar is simply the best RAID instance Blizzard delivered.

You have NO idea about the mounted combat, the present state of its MUCH played PvP after patch 3.1, the Lake Wintergrasp destructable fortress and towers, the DUAL specs, ...

Still insulting Wow players in general in your posts that is about the only thing you can come up with these days. ("I would come back to Wow if they only had 40 men Raids", yeah another thread of yourself).

Blizzard placed MMORPG's on the evening NEWS.

Tx to Blizzard you can still whine on these forums to play CRAPPED underdevelopped games.

I know the one who sucks here BIG ... and it is NOT the most succesful PC developper....

 

Zorn you don't even play WoW.

You defend it blindly and while all else fails you toss up a sub numbers link.

WoW is garbage, you know it, I know it. You a troll son!!!!!!

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by Daffid011

Yeah wow opened servers and suddenly other companies couldn't release half finished games anymore and get praised for doing so.  Oh noes!!1!1!11eleven!!11!! the big boy games can't compete anymore so lets all blame one company for taking their time and delivering a quality product. 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone I would like to show you the type of player WoW brought to the genre.

These players lack patience, this guy has no idea that Every MMO released was somewhat unfinished and evolved over the next few months to a year after release.

WoW also release unfinished and with bugs my friend, its only that you're are new to the genre that you think every MMO needs to release in the quality of Wotlk.

If you were an older MMO player you would even talk of unfinished games at release because thats just how it is.

What a bunch of complete CRAP.
 

Any proof for your social study ?

Of course not.

I have one proof though: you don't even play WotLK these days.

So you have NO idea that Ulduar is simply the best RAID instance Blizzard delivered.

You have NO idea about the mounted combat, the present state of its MUCH played PvP after patch 3.1, the Lake Wintergrasp destructable fortress and towers, the DUAL specs, ...

Still insulting Wow players in general in your posts that is about the only thing you can come up with these days. ("I would come back to Wow if they only had 40 men Raids", yeah another thread of yourself).

Blizzard placed MMORPG's on the evening NEWS.

Tx to Blizzard you can still whine on these forums to play CRAPPED underdevelopped games.

I know the one who sucks here BIG ... and it is NOT the most succesful PC developper....

 

Zorn you don't even play WoW.

You defend it blindly and while all else fails you toss up a sub numbers link.

WoW is garbage, you know it, I know it. You a troll son!!!!!!

IDIOTS.
 

And yet your the one that's defending such a lame PoS game that you don't event play.

:I builds me a helicoptaaa....... Lookz at meez endgame!!!!!

Thank god for WoW, they have one game to hold all you people.... stay out of the real MMOS!

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by Daffid011

Yeah wow opened servers and suddenly other companies couldn't release half finished games anymore and get praised for doing so.  Oh noes!!1!1!11eleven!!11!! the big boy games can't compete anymore so lets all blame one company for taking their time and delivering a quality product. 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone I would like to show you the type of player WoW brought to the genre.

These players lack patience, this guy has no idea that Every MMO released was somewhat unfinished and evolved over the next few months to a year after release.

WoW also release unfinished and with bugs my friend, its only that you're are new to the genre that you think every MMO needs to release in the quality of Wotlk.

If you were an older MMO player you would even talk of unfinished games at release because thats just how it is.

What a bunch of complete CRAP.
 

Any proof for your social study ?

Of course not.

I have one proof though: you don't even play WotLK these days.

So you have NO idea that Ulduar is simply the best RAID instance Blizzard delivered.

You have NO idea about the mounted combat, the present state of its MUCH played PvP after patch 3.1, the Lake Wintergrasp destructable fortress and towers, the DUAL specs, ...

Still insulting Wow players in general in your posts that is about the only thing you can come up with these days. ("I would come back to Wow if they only had 40 men Raids", yeah another thread of yourself).

Blizzard placed MMORPG's on the evening NEWS.

Tx to Blizzard you can still whine on these forums to play CRAPPED underdevelopped games.

I know the one who sucks here BIG ... and it is NOT the most succesful PC developper....

 

Zorn you don't even play WoW.

You defend it blindly and while all else fails you toss up a sub numbers link.

WoW is garbage, you know it, I know it. You a troll son!!!!!!

IDIOTS.
 

And yet your the one that's defending such a lame PoS game that you don't event play.

:I builds me a helicoptaaa....... Lookz at meez endgame!!!!!

Thank god for WoW, they have one game to hold all you people.... stay out of the real MMOS!

 

You are XXXX

 

Im not the one calling non-combatant Helis actualy endgame content.

"WOW is the Best cause Every sheep playz it!!!!!!"

Every game is better then WOW, even crap like Mabinogi and DNL!!!!!!!

WoW is in line with free realms and hello kitty online.  A simple game for people that like simple things!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Biggest let down in MMORPG history?

The pile of shit some posters do show when they talk about the number one MMORPG.

It shows just how weird some twisted folks think about .... video games.

At the other end most of these guys worship "games"(?!?!)  which wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Blizzard.

 

LOL!!!!! worship a videogame?

RL isnt that bad is it Zorn?????

you troll and derail every thread with "wow is the best because I say so"

How does it feel when someone does the same back to you?

WoW is a simple game, it strays from everything MMOs were designed to be and console and Fps kiddies eat it up.

How sad!!!!!

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Biggest let down in MMORPG history?

The pile of shit some posters do show when they talk about the number one MMORPG.

It shows just how weird some twisted folks think about .... video games.

At the other end most of these guys worship "games"(?!?!)  which wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Blizzard.

 

 

Upped to be back on topic and not let the anti Wow troll control the thread.

Forum posts (and game hate found in these posts) contribute MORE to the fall of mmorpg's than actual in game experience/shortcomings.

Developpers actually believed at a certain moment there was even such a thing as "bored Wow gamers".

The fall in number of subs of those games proved this theory is simply ... "wrong".

 

Sub numbers in no way relate to the quality of a Game, same goes for music, movies and other forms of entertainment.

Games like Eve, ryzom, UO, AC, AO, DAoC, EQ, and SWG pre-Nge were massive leaps in creativity and were truely World simulations. WoW is a childs toy compared to these games.

popularity means Dick when discussing quality in games or any other form of entertainment!

To me the biggest let down was Dungeons and Dragons Online. I was wanting a true D&D mmo with all that great lore to pull from and locations we all read about to come to life. Man, I was so excited to play it. Then I did. I mean it was ok I guess but not anything like what I thought it should be. I mean the campaign they chose was Eberron? Really? I wanted Forgotten Realms or DragonLance or hell even Ravenloft. Oh well. Still I wait.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Biggest let down in MMORPG history?

The pile of shit some posters do show when they talk about the number one MMORPG.

It shows just how weird some twisted folks think about .... video games.

At the other end most of these guys worship "games"(?!?!)  which wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Blizzard.

 

 

Upped to be back on topic and not let the anti Wow troll control the thread.

Forum posts (and game hate found in these posts) contribute MORE to the fall of mmorpg's than actual in game experience/shortcomings.

Developpers actually believed at a certain moment there was even such a thing as "bored Wow gamers".

The fall in number of subs of those games proved this theory is simply ... "wrong".

 

 

Sub numbers in no way relate to the quality of a Game, same goes for music, movies and other forms of entertainment.

Games like Eve, ryzom, UO, AC, AO, DAoC, EQ, and SWG pre-Nge were massive leaps in creativity and were truely World simulations. WoW is a childs toy compared to these games.

popularity means Dick when discussing quality in games or any other form of entertainment!

 

 

And so that's why WotLK was Nr1 on the internet in 2008?

http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/942519-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king/index.html

Critical acclaim from 34 of the biggest reviewers shows WotlK was the number one PC game in 2008.

Critical acclaim AND having (by far) the biggest popularity is something else. That's called : consensus of success.

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Nope, it is clear : the biggest let down in present day mmorpg's are "some" players who lost all sense of reality of what simply makes ... a GOOD game design.

And HATE about a game doesn't contribute anything to this discussion.

 

Because those reviewers would look like total assholes if they wrote what they really thought of WoW.

Think about it. you dont slam a game 11.5 million people play, You would lose all credibility.

I have nothing to lose or gain by telling the truth, WoW is simplistic kiddie crap!!!!

I find it funny that every one of those reviews are too afraid to point out that every aspect of WoW is below average compared to MMOs that came before it!!!!!!

So...ANYWAY...I don't know about the biggest let down in mmo history, but the only game I remember being severely dissapointed in was WAR. I like fantasy games alot, and the current market is ok with me, but I am starting to crave other things, which is why in another post I talk about MO. I'd like to try out FFA Full Loot PVP, since I enjoy pvp, and am actually pretty decent in combat. But when I played WAR, it just didn't look appealing in game. I didn't really care for how the avatars looked, especially the conehead helmets the elves wore. *shrugs* Quests were very easy as well and not very fun at all. I did like the whole journal thing that puts everything you've done down in it though, at least I think it was some kind of journal. I played it at launch, and my memory kind of sucks now with things like that lol. There were a few things like that and the map function that has a big red blob indicating where you need to go for quests, that made me go "huh.." a semi interested, "I've never seen THAT before" kinda "huh". But in the end, I was just left unimpressed. I feel that if I want to play a game that closely resembles WoW as far as gameplay goes that is, why not just play WoW. I think in the long run, games like MO, DF(if they get their shit together) and such will be the future of the mmo market. At least in my opinion, but who can see the future in certainty.

On a side thought though...I'm starting to see a lot of posts of people disliking wow now, that have played since launch or pretty close to it, like me, who are just now getting out of it like I am, to find something really far from its basic concept. Alas, as we all more or less know the current market pretty well, we know there is but a handful of games that offer that. Hell two out of the three games that I am looking at this year that are upcomming are going to have basic concepts introduced in wow. As much as people may hate or love the game, the fact of what it has accomplished alone, is going to ensure that it is going to be apart of the mmo market in some way or another, probably forever. Attaining 11.5 million subscribers is not going to be forgotten anytime soon. So naturally there's going to be a crap load of game developers thinking they can duplicate it, and I just find that thought process to be stupid...like I said earlier, if I wanted to play a game like wow, I'd just go play wow. It's going to be a more polished, larger contented game experience, than what the clones are producing. From interviews and such, the developers of WAR made it seem like it was going to be a much harder, and different experience then wow was, but when I played it for my free month, all I saw was wow, with little bits of guild wars. Biggest let down in mmo history I doubt that, but it's the only game I can think of in my mind at the moment where I remember uninstalling it thinking "man...what a waste...".

Originally posted by ilydamdris

 Hell two out of the three games that I am looking at this year that are upcomming are going to have basic concepts introduced in wow.

WoW has brought nothing to the genre, everything in WoW is a watered down version from an older game made to appeal to people that dislike conflict, risk and challenge.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Biggest let down in MMORPG history?

The pile of shit some posters do show when they talk about the number one MMORPG.

It shows just how weird some twisted folks think about .... video games.

At the other end most of these guys worship "games"(?!?!)  which wouldn't even exist if it weren't for Blizzard.

 

 

Upped to be back on topic and not let the anti Wow troll control the thread.

Forum posts (and game hate found in these posts) contribute MORE to the fall of mmorpg's than actual in game experience/shortcomings.

Developpers actually believed at a certain moment there was even such a thing as "bored Wow gamers".

The fall in number of subs of those games proved this theory is simply ... "wrong".

 

 

Sub numbers in no way relate to the quality of a Game, same goes for music, movies and other forms of entertainment.

Games like Eve, ryzom, UO, AC, AO, DAoC, EQ, and SWG pre-Nge were massive leaps in creativity and were truely World simulations. WoW is a childs toy compared to these games.

popularity means Dick when discussing quality in games or any other form of entertainment!

 

 

And so that's why WotLK was Nr1 on the internet in 2008?

http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/942519-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king/index.html

Critical acclaim from 34 of the biggest reviewers shows WotlK was the number one PC game in 2008.

Critical acclaim AND having (by far) the biggest popularity is something else. That's called : consensus of success.

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Nope, it is clear : the biggest let down in present day mmorpg's are "some" players who lost all sense of reality of what simply makes ... a GOOD game design.

And HATE about a game doesn't contribute anything to this discussion.

 

Because those reviewers would look like total assholes if they wrote what they really thought of WoW.

Think about it. you dont slam a game 11.5 million people play, You would lose all credibility.

I have nothing to lose or gain by telling the truth, WoW is simplistic kiddie crap!!!!

I find it funny that every one of those reviews are too afraid to point out that every aspect of WoW is below average compared to MMOs that came before it!!!!!!

 

They could give it a "neutral" 7 or 8.
 

But the average of that critical acclaim is ... 92.50% and best rated PC game of 2008....

But how would you know actually, since you din't even enter Northrend ? :)))

 

 

A 7 or 8? dude people worship WoW!!!!

its just easier to give the god damn game great ratings, as a Business man myself its the smart thing to do.

Give WoW a 9+ and 99% of the community is happy with you.

also Sadly my mentally retarded younger brother plays WoW (hes not smart enough to understand the basic concept of sandbox MMOS) and he does all the crap you talk about. I happen to let him live in the house I own.

I;ve seen everything and it's not only terrible but the game gets worse every expansion!!!!

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by ilydamdris

 Hell two out of the three games that I am looking at this year that are upcomming are going to have basic concepts introduced in wow.

 

WoW has brought nothing to the genre, everything in WoW is a watered down version from an older game made to appeal to people that dislike conflict, risk and challenge.

 

It brought a very important new thing to the genre...

Millions of active subscribers....that STAY and/or come back.... :))

 

The sheep that flock to wow that enjoy mindless entertainment in no way make WoW special.

Other MMos are way more enjoyable and give players actual freedom. They dont guide them on handicap rails!

Edit: actually those Millions of people playing WoW are the problem with the genre today!

OP, you should take the games mentioned in this forum and make a poll.  I'd be very intrigued to know which MMO gets the most votes.  As for me, I feel VSoH was a huge let down, as it was nothing more than a WoW clone to me.  SWG was a huge let down when they decided they will just allow everyone to start off as jedi and the whole world was a jedi mess!  When UO did the trammel change I was pretty let down.  And last but not least, Darkfall was to be the new updated UO and was a first-person view pile of crap IMO. 

I know a lot of people were let down by WAR, but I actually enjoyed it for the short time I played.  I didn't have extremely high expectations though.  I do regret ordering the CE version though lol.

Why does every post derail into a hate session for WOW? I mean really? WOW is number one. People love to hate the number one. If you dont like it then don't play it. Seems really simple. Blizzard does what they have always done. Simplify the mechanics of a genre,streamline it and brand it with their own style and charm. That is what they do that is what they have always done. Most reviewers didnt rate WOW well because of the 'pressure' of credibilty. That is just stupid to say. Those reviewers rated the game long before they had 11.5 million subs. That has nothing to do with it. Hell, even most developers out there now love WOW. I mean we may not dig WOW but most critics, most developers and most people who play mmo's love it. Or at least did 3 or 4 or 5 years ago. The fact is alot of people really like the game. No mystery or hidden agenda or conspiracy theory need apply.  We, as a forum bunch on a site for mmo's are not the majority. We are the minority, the hardcore. If we don't like it or play it than eh. No game caters to all the gamers out there. Thats why there are big budget summer special effects movies that the masses go crazy for and then there are little indies and art house films that win the awards. Different tastes. Enough of the WOW bashing. Seriously. It is tired. The game is 5 years old and so are your agruements against it.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

And so that's why WotLK was Nr1 on the internet in 2008?

http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/942519-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king/index.html

Critical acclaim from 34 of the biggest reviewers shows WotlK was the number one PC game in 2008.

Critical acclaim AND having (by far) the biggest popularity is something else. That's called : consensus of success.

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Nope, it is clear : the biggest let down in present day mmorpg's are "some" players who lost all sense of reality of what simply makes ... a GOOD game design.

And HATE about a game doesn't contribute anything to this discussion.

 

Critical acclaim chrr ahaha chrr hrr hic that's rubbish shhh....
 

Originally posted by blueturtle13

Why does every post derail into a hate session for WOW? I mean really? WOW is number one. People love to hate the number one. If you dont like it then don't play it. Seems really simple. Blizzard does what they have always done. Simplify the mechanics of a genre,streamline it and brand it with their own style and charm. That is what they do that is what they have always done. Most reviewers didnt rate WOW well because of the 'pressure' of credibilty. That is just stupid to say. Those reviewers rated the game long before they had 11.5 million subs. That has nothing to do with it. Hell, even most developers out there now love WOW. I mean we may not dig WOW but most critics, most developers and most people who play mmo's love it. Or at least did 3 or 4 or 5 years ago. The fact is alot of people really like the game. No mystery or hidden agenda or conspiracy theory need apply.  We, as a forum bunch on a site for mmo's are not the majority. We are the minority, the hardcore. If we don't like it or play it than eh. No game caters to all the gamers out there. Thats why there are big budget summer special effects movies that the masses go crazy for and then there are little indies and art house films that win the awards. Different tastes. Enough of the WOW bashing. Seriously. It is tired. The game is 5 years old and so are your agruements against it.

Man you must know every reviewer personally to really believe they truely love WoW!!!!

As a Business person myself you dont go against the mob and the WoW playerbase is extremely large.

You say the game rocks and move on so these people dont abandon you and make you worthless to advertisers.

WoW is nothing New, its designed for people that enjoy a simple, easy experience.

It something wrong with that? nahh not really. has it had a negative effect on the genre as a whole? You bet your ass it did!

Calling WoW number one is like calling MCdonalds number one when you have awesome food chains that make incredible food that just havent hit the popularity status of Mcdonalds.

More subs mean nothing when you talk of quality of a specific entertainment property.

Throughout gaming history games that stayed under the radar have been massive leaps in quality over what was popular.

Only thing WoW has going for it is its actually better then the PoS games that came after it and thats not saying much when every MMO before WoW was superior in so many ways,

Biggest letdown ever was never getting to see Dragon Empires.

SWG , NGE never saw as a gamer one patch that turned so many against a developers  that caused actions to include not trusting them for future releases to affecting purchasing of products this company produced.

In your opinion WOW is a POS as you put it. WOW may have 11.5 million subs but not in the west it doesnt. Most of their subs are in the East. WOW is a quality product whether you like it or not. Calling a game a POS because it is popular is silly and childish. It is popular AND it is quality. Does that mean we all like it? no it does not. But it is what it is. All I am saying is it is critically acclaimed developers love it and the masses eat it up. Developers I bet YOU like ;) 

SWG NGE hands down!  Biggest cluster fuck of a decision in any gaming genre...IMO.....