Brothers and sisters our crusade against the Infitel is finally bearing fruit, this is a small step towards vanquishing the Infitel from Europe totaly! Read here about how the Infitel has been fined due to dodgy business practices aimed at converting the rightouess followers of AMD to their twisted CPUs! Click

Perhaps this is a begining and we shall one day see the Infitel beating a hasty retreat back to his evil Fabs, whilst we lay siege to them! AMD VULT!

(BTW I am insane, so don't bother asking MUAH HAH HAH!)

Infidel.

 But I like this "Infitel" you speak of. :(

Hmm.... so they'll raise the price of every processor they sell by 2 euros, and in a few months pay their fine off with the first dollar and pocket the 2nd one for themselves.  Pure gold in my book.

Originally posted by mcharj11

To be honest if AMD hadn't botched the Phenoms and actually brought out a CPU that could hold a candle to Core2 then they wouldn't be in the postion they are. I'm a AMD fan too, they were great back in the Athlon 64 days but in the here and now Intel's offerings give better performance in every way.

Agreed the Phenom I was a bit of a train wreck if you consider the expectations, however AMD did what they could and went into damage control. However I do believe that the line up of new AM3 Phenom IIs has put them back in the race, the Phenom II X4 955 BE (AM3) is a match for the Whore i7 (/spit).

I believe up until the release of these new Phenom IIs the Infitel has easily had the better of the rightouess for along time, too long in fact and nopw it is time for us to retrieve the grail of multicore CPUs!

Originally posted by mcharj11

To be honest if AMD hadn't botched the Phenoms and actually brought out a CPU that could hold a candle to Core2 then they wouldn't be in the postion they are. I'm a AMD fan too, they were great back in the Athlon 64 days but in the here and now Intel's offerings give better performance in every way.

On the other hand...

If Intel had not bought of manufacturers to use Intel processors maybe AMD... Well resources money and stuff from sales.

But I wonder if Dell got cheap and screamed for more from Intel when they introduced AMD to the computers.

But this not only evolving around AMD there is/was others aswell.

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Intel should have given the PC stealth discount on x86 chips provided the manufacturer purchased all or most chips from Intel. The company will also have paid Media Markt to only sell computers with Intel chips, and pay computer manufacturers to stop or delay the products with chips from rival AMD.

There were also complaints from AMD just as the EU Commission started its investigation.

It all must have gone on since October 2002 and the Commission now directs Intel to cease forthwith the hidden discounts.

During the period of the fine relates to December 2007, Intel had a market share in Europe of 70 percent. At the end of 2008 was Intel's market share according to IDC reside in 82 percent, compared to AMD's 17.7 percent.

- Intel has hurt millions of European consumers by Intentional keep competitors off the market for computer chips for many years. Such a serious and prolonged breach of EU competition rules can not be tolerated, "said Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes in a comment.

god forbid intel uses competitive tactics to beat the competition. If i was intel i wouldnt pay the fine and quit selling in the EU. Then watch the EU fine AMD for monopolising on the EU market. The amount is outrageous and the reason for that amount isnt worth it.

wow...O_O i billion holy crap, well iv always preferd AMD

this was so comming..

Originally posted by mrcalhou

Infidel.

Quick someone get this man a sense of humor!

Originally posted by aleos

Originally posted by mrcalhou

Infidel.

 

Quick someone get this man a sense of humor!

I caught it after I posted. Thanks for trying to help, though. I appreciate it.

Originally posted by mcharj11

To be honest if AMD hadn't botched the Phenoms and actually brought out a CPU that could hold a candle to Core2 then they wouldn't be in the position they are. I'm a AMD fan too, they were great back in the Athlon 64 days but in the here and now Intel's offerings give better performance in every way.

id have to agree with this. as well as some 6400 x2 being problematic, in fact i got to RMA my 6400x2 when i can so im not wasting my money due to it being defective and causing ridiculous BSOD's on my system, yet my 5600x2 works like a charm, but oh well, the Phenom II's seem to have caught up but still behind the curve compared to intel, so i think both parties are at fault. Intel is at fault for monopolistic practices, and AMD fouling up their manfucturing of the initial Phenom's. oh well live and learn i guess. I am still an avid AMD fan, and have no qualms about remaining a loyal customer, as i dont feel like spending $1,000 on a single CPU regardless of how fast the damn thing is, $1,000 is far too much even if i had the cash to spare, id rather get close to the same performance but pay 40-50% less.

Im an AMD fanboy, and I have to say.  This is just another ploy by the European Union to line their pockets from hard working american companies. As a business tactic, its dirty but not illegal.  Such tactics if made public lead to poor marketing for Intel.  Thats highly likely considering how the press would jump at any dirt like that.

AMDs poor sales from 2006~2008 are purely a result of their own complacency, and over building.  I don't consider Phenom I a failure.  I think it was just over ambitious and didn't realize the full scope of its potential.  It also performed better then the Core 2 in the majority of productivity tasks.  It was a better super computer and server processor then Core2.  It also was the architecture used for the future.  Now both Intel and AMD use the same design in their processor.  If anything the Core2 architecture is the greater failure for only having a 2 year shelf life before becoming obsolete.

Originally posted by Cleffy

Im an AMD fanboy, and I have to say.  This is just another ploy by the European Union to line their pockets from hard working american companies. As a business tactic, its dirty but not illegal.  Such tactics if made public lead to poor marketing for Intel.  Thats highly likely considering how the press would jump at any dirt like that.

AMDs poor sales from 2006~2008 are purely a result of their own complacency, and over building.  I don't consider Phenom I a failure.  I think it was just over ambitious and didn't realize the full scope of its potential.  It also performed better then the Core 2 in the majority of productivity tasks.  It was a better super computer and server processor then Core2.  It also was the architecture used for the future.  Now both Intel and AMD use the same design in their processor.  If anything the Core2 architecture is the greater failure for only having a 2 year shelf life before becoming obsolete.

I agree with the second part about AMD having their own problems. That does not easen the fact that what intel did was in fact illegal. Describing it as "lining pockets from hard working american companies" is if nothing else very naive. They are selling products on the european market, where certain laws exist, and whoever enters that market needs to uphold those laws, regardless of wether the same holds in the US or not (besides, I won't claim for sure, but I think the same thing is punishable by law in the US also).

regardless of everything, for us as consumers it is always better not to have monopolies because then we can choose between multiple good options instead of being forced to eat everything from one company even if it's crap, just because there is nothing else out there. Every law upholding that is a good one for all the consumers. There is nothing patriotic about Intel - it's a conglomerate feeding off US workers just as every other, and looking to maximise their profit regardless of the flag - you can be sure they have been and still are  lining their pockets from hard working americans just the same, and without any feeling of bad concience.

double post

Originally posted by tvalentine

god forbid intel uses competitive tactics to beat the competition. If i was intel i wouldnt pay the fine and quit selling in the EU. Then watch the EU fine AMD for monopolising on the EU market. The amount is outrageous and the reason for that amount isnt worth it.

I agree 100%. I understand that competition is beneficial to the consumers but it seems that the world is getting carried away with "play nice" rules. If Intel managed to work a deal with computer manufacturers to squeeze AMD out, then AMD should have been in those same offices playing ball just as hard. If Intel is giving Dell 10% off to push AMD outta the picture then AMD should offer 15% off etc. etc. until either one squeezes harder or they come to an agreement of some sort.

Free markets, my ass.

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by tvalentine

god forbid intel uses competitive tactics to beat the competition. If i was intel i wouldnt pay the fine and quit selling in the EU. Then watch the EU fine AMD for monopolising on the EU market. The amount is outrageous and the reason for that amount isnt worth it.

 

I agree 100%. I understand that competition is beneficial to the consumers but it seems that the world is getting carried away with "play nice" rules. If Intel managed to work a deal with computer manufacturers to squeeze AMD out, then AMD should have been in those same offices playing ball just as hard. If Intel is giving Dell 10% off to push AMD outta the picture then AMD should offer 15% off etc. etc. until either one squeezes harder or they come to an agreement of some sort.

 

Free markets, my ass.

What you are saying if ofcourse true. In some way.

Was AMD aware of this. Was they given a chance to participate in this bidding?

To have a free market there have to be some rules.
And it is hard to be a dominant actor where you have some more rules to follow. But then again you are actually on the top.

I'm quite shure that Intel could undercut their prices and remove more and more of the market from AMD. And what if Intel ended up undercutting with their bidding against AMD in your example. I mean why not go straight at it, give 100% off for a few years.
And such/similar rules against that is what makes the market free.

Originally posted by Cleffy

Im an AMD fanboy, and I have to say.  This is just another ploy by the European Union to line their pockets from hard working american companies. As a business tactic, its dirty but not illegal.  Such tactics if made public lead to poor marketing for Intel.  Thats highly likely considering how the press would jump at any dirt like that.

AMDs poor sales from 2006~2008 are purely a result of their own complacency, and over building.  I don't consider Phenom I a failure.  I think it was just over ambitious and didn't realize the full scope of its potential.  It also performed better then the Core 2 in the majority of productivity tasks.  It was a better super computer and server processor then Core2.  It also was the architecture used for the future.  Now both Intel and AMD use the same design in their processor.  If anything the Core2 architecture is the greater failure for only having a 2 year shelf life before becoming obsolete.

I always thought Intel was a Japenese company? Though they have the majority of their Fabs in the U.S.A they also have them in the EU and the Middle East. Most of their assembly plants are in East Asia so I wouldn't say the EU is ripping off an American company since Intel is a multi national Japenese company (I think).

Besides AMD is the American company here that the EU has ruled in favour of, who also have a Fab in Europe and assemble the chip in Malaysia. Intel were engaged in business paractices that would be considered illegal in Europe, the Americas and most of Asia. I believe that what Intel did was illegal, well it is in the EU and if you want to sell your wares in the EU you must do it by EU laws. It's not like Intel didn't know the laws, they did and deliberately broke them in order to try and ruin an American manufacturers sales.

Maybe Intel gets away with this kind of behaviour in the U.S.A but they'll get into trouble eventually in the EU, remember AMD is the company that's kept Intel honest all these years. Without AMD we'd all be on our Pentium 2 $2000 rigs playing internet pong and wetting ourselves at the thought of Dark and Light with only the half the features it launched with and twice the bugs and three times the lag!

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by Cleffy

 This is just another ploy by the European Union to line their pockets from hard working american companies.

 

Maybe Intel gets away with this kind of behaviour in the U.S.A

Now that is a question... Do they get away with this in the U.S.A?

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2009/tc20090511_348063.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2008/tc20080110_121005.htm

Intel is doing better than AMD now, but I have goed for one that provides better bang for the buck.

Still, what Intel did was wrong and In(fi)(d/t)els should see it ;D Keeping competition alive is important. Without more than one on market we wouldn't ever get new better products or we might, but only when market is saturated and they need new thing to drag audience. In this sent computer market is bit too bi-polarized we got only two pairs AMD and Intel and AMD and nVidia. More would be better.... Still in current state there is progress, which we all want. Technology wars are some times good for us.

So stopping one partner from market is bad and should be prevented if done by unfair methods, ofc if larger companys products would be a lot superior(more than now) things aren't so simple.