I have this to say about EVE

1, There is no game on the market that is as Player driven as EvE. You can actually hold your own space make your own destiny and become famous in one Universe. Show me a game that can say it dose the same.
2, I like board games and Chess in IRL nothing beats going against a Human opponent and seeing who will Prevail. In PC games EvE is the closest I have found to this. Its Monopoly in space, it’s A game OF thrones the board game in space, It’s Chess in space the list goes on. But it’s a money game, a schemer game and a tactical game all in one package. To the haters of EVE show me a PC game that has all this.
3, In the Universe of EVE you can be a Mercenary, a Scientist/manufacturer, Trader, Empire Builder, Drug Dealer/booster manufacturer, Miner, Wormhole explorer, Hacker/Scanner, Ratt hunter, Mission runner, Bounty hunter, Pirate, Scammer, Hauler, Bank manager, Gambler, Radio Operator ( we do have EVE radio you know), News Anchor/journalist, Stock trader, Corp CEO(in EvE corps are mush more then guilds), Security officer, Mining Forman, Gas harvester, Ship builder, Pos operator and all the other shit people are up to ingame.
4, Having so that items, ships and you yourself can be killed and destroyed in game is also one of the selling points for me. Ads realism and Risk to the game…. Lacking in 90% of the games on the market today…
5, The average age of EvE players are 27 years, and I thank God every night as I turn down my computer and nest and plan my schemes, that The Devs made the Tutorial so complicated and the game so daunting that all the Retards and little kids stay away from the best game in the World. Because you know what we don’t want them here…..EVE is for Hardcore players that take their games seriously not for lame as Theme Park ex WoWers who would not know true genius even if it hit them in the face…

Originally posted by Enkindu

Originally posted by jusomdude

IMO, I honestly couldn't tell you, the game is incredibly boring. I'm guessing at least 30% of their subs are people with multiple accounts though.

 

Eve is boring for people that find thinking boring. Eve is boring for people that need to be told what to do.  Eve is boring for people that lack imagination.

For people that love problem solving, love a challenge, and love complexity, Eve has no equal in the gaming world.

This is the reason the game always grows- once you've played Eve, every other game is fluff.  Some of it is FUN fluff, but it's fluff just the same.  I can honestly say if Eve didn't exist I'd walk away from MMOs completely.

When a game can manage to keep you engaged for 5+ years (pretty common for people that get it)  even a small infux of new players will keep the game growing.

So basicly what your saying is that if i don't find EvE interesting at all, i'm stupid, i like to be pushed around AND have no imagination?

That's actually a pretty stupid statement.  The game is boring because of the slow pace, the slow combat, the WHOLE game is too slow paced, and i don't like that.

But i find what EvE offers is actually pretty cool, and if it wasn't so god damn boring i would praise it as the best MMO ever.

Originally posted by Zlayer77

The average age of EvE players are 27 years, and I thank God every night as I turn down my computer and nest and plan my schemes, that The Devs made the Tutorial so complicated and the game so daunting that all the Retards and little kids stay away from the best game in the World. Because you know what we don’t want them here…..EVE is for Hardcore players that take their games seriously not for lame as Theme Park ex WoWers who would not know true genius even if it hit them in the face…

 

This last paragraph pretty much invalidates anything else you had to say, IMO.  Trotting out the old reliable material.  People who don't enjoy Eve are retards and children who need to go back to WoW.  At least you declare you fanboyism right from the beginning, so I can add you my "not capable of rational discussion" list.  ;)

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Zlayer77

The average age of EvE players are 27 years, and I thank God every night as I turn down my computer and nest and plan my schemes, that The Devs made the Tutorial so complicated and the game so daunting that all the Retards and little kids stay away from the best game in the World. Because you know what we don’t want them here…..EVE is for Hardcore players that take their games seriously not for lame as Theme Park ex WoWers who would not know true genius even if it hit them in the face…

 

 

This last paragraph pretty much invalidates anything else you had to say, IMO.  Trotting out the old reliable material.  People who don't enjoy Eve are retards and children who need to go back to WoW.  At least you declare you fanboyism right from the beginning, so I can add you my "not capable of rational discussion" list.  ;)

I agree with Sal here as much as it pains me. This kind of arrogance is something that Eve players have been labeled with and people like Zlayer do nothing to help that cause. That being said though I do understand his meaning even if it is worded in such and asshole way. The average age of an Eve player is much higher than other mmos out there, unfortunately age is not a judgement of maturity. I have met some 14 year olds in Eve that made some 40 year olds look like babies, I have even seen this in other games. The fact still remains though Eves steep learning curve does tend to keep the younger game audience out. This is not because they are retarded or cannot handle Eve though. It's just because most kids and teenagers are impatient and do not want to go through all the reading and tutorials. The younger people that do get past the beginning tend to be of a more mature mindset.

       WoW released info on their customer base and IIRC the average age for their game was around 27 years old also.......As for Eve's playerbase, I have heard alot of it is multiple accounts.....While they may be around 300k accounts, they may actually only have 100-150k players........I have a hard time believing that everyone enjoys being a spaceship and losing everything they have every time they die.......Also the actual gameplay sounds boring as heck....OOOO can I be a miner and just mine all day long for my corp!!!!!!!......

Not mentioning any names, but I think someone recently snagged a great deal on a bulk order of punctuation.

Originally posted by Theocritus

       WoW released info on their customer base and IIRC the average age for their game was around 27 years old also.......As for Eve's playerbase, I have heard alot of it is multiple accounts.....While they may be around 300k accounts, they may actually only have 100-150k players........I have a hard time believing that everyone enjoys being a spaceship and losing everything they have every time they die.......Also the actual gameplay sounds boring as heck....OOOO can I be a miner and just mine all day long for my corp!!!!!!!......

and how many multiple accounts are owned in WOW, I don't believe there are 11 million people playing WOW. OH and i think they lost a million recently because of the delay in China.

The numbers are a good showing that EVE is still a growing game and player decline is not happeneing.

Originally posted by Theocritus

       WoW released info on their customer base and IIRC the average age for their game was around 27 years old also.......As for Eve's playerbase, I have heard alot of it is multiple accounts.....While they may be around 300k accounts, they may actually only have 100-150k players........I have a hard time believing that everyone enjoys being a spaceship and losing everything they have every time they die.......Also the actual gameplay sounds boring as heck....OOOO can I be a miner and just mine all day long for my corp!!!!!!!......

Funny how when I lose my ship I don't lose everything I own. I wonder why that is ? I don't have a 2nd account either. Glad you judge a game by how it sounds though. Good luck in your endeavours.
 

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Zlayer77

The average age of EvE players are 27 years, and I thank God every night as I turn down my computer and nest and plan my schemes, that The Devs made the Tutorial so complicated and the game so daunting that all the Retards and little kids stay away from the best game in the World. Because you know what we don’t want them here…..EVE is for Hardcore players that take their games seriously not for lame as Theme Park ex WoWers who would not know true genius even if it hit them in the face…

 

 

This last paragraph pretty much invalidates anything else you had to say, IMO.  Trotting out the old reliable material.  People who don't enjoy Eve are retards and children who need to go back to WoW.  At least you declare you fanboyism right from the beginning, so I can add you my "not capable of rational discussion" list.                                                                     

The thing is my dear that EvE needs a mind of Steel. It demands just like in IRL, a lot of the human living/playing it. IF you want to become somebody in Real life you have to work for it/ or have it handed to you by somebody that has worked for it. Same logic applies to EvE.
I’m going to tell you a secret EVE is not a Game, it’s a social experiment.

1. First rule trust nobody
2. Second rule trust nobody
3. Third rule keep your friends close and your enemies closer
4. Forth rule what is best in life: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and here the lamentation of their woman.

If you are not a Hardcore gamer that have an Elite mindset, you do not belong in the harsh world of EVE. Because you will get exploited, Raped and pillaged…

Many things that help you get ISK in EvE are mind Blowingly boring. But if you are working for a goal it becomes mush less boring and starts to become a challenge instead. If you rise to the challenge and reach your goal you get a sense of satisfaction. The higher the hill the more satisfying it is to climb it.

So if you look in Real life you have your crazy adventures that go climb mount Everest. You have your sociopath Bank executives that do anything for a buck. You have your Idealistic revolutionaries that are hoping to change the world. And the corrupted politicians that have long since abandoned reason for Power.

Then you have average joe who takes his children to the Theme Park on Saturday and watches sports with his friends on Sunday.
He likes to relax and just have fun when he Is off work, and World politics do not concern him as long as he gets paid every month.

If you translate this to the Gaming community the majority is average Joe and they want a relaxed time in front of the computer having a blast with their friends.

Then you have the Hardcore gamer that sadly has to mush in common with the IRL people that like to push the boundaries.

EvE is not for everyone and its designed that way. People who cant hack it find it boring and no fun…. And the reason for that is that this is not a GAME! (like you would define it)

Salvatoris, I talked to EvE for you.  She says if you apologize for some of the things you said about her she's willing to give this relationship another try.

She also said if you're willing to do a little reasearch and put a little effort into it she may not be so hard on you next time.

You carry this torch for everyone to see.. why not admit that you are still in love??

Sometimes you guys do a pretty poor job illustrating the point that Eve has a more mature player base than other MMOs.  Feel free to keep proving my point, though.

Aw come on man! Just a little good natured ribbing there.

You didn't even find that a little bit funny?

Even if you don't really "love" EvE it sure seems to be the game you "love to hate."

That's cool with me actually. To be honest the more people that come in here to bash the game the more I realize how much I like it.

Yes EVE can be a harsh mistress at times but show her some love and she will compasionitly open up for you and show you wonders that will thrill you.

EVE is an interesting game. The first time I subscribed I lasted a month, and didnt think I would go back. The second time I subscribed I lasted about five months and began to understand and enjoy it. By the end of this time I had trained through the learning skills which are nessasary to accelerate training. I took a break to check out War when it came out and was back after about 3 months. The thing about EVE for me is that the developers that are running the game are the ones who thought it up in the first place. They are invested in their product, and at the same time in their game. The business guys are not calling all the shots with this one. They have managed to develope a unique game, and make it revenue generating.  The longer you play eve, I am at 11 mill skill now, the more options open up to you. I find I play it in bursts, and change activities in game regularly. It can be sat down for a while and then picked back up after trying out the latest solo game or what not. The game can be as easy or challenging as you like, it can be played all day long or for a brief hour, and the longer you play the more options open up to you. Finaly, when you are ready to set it down you can go play somthing else knowing that when you come back your character will have more trained options than when you left as long as you are willing to spend the 15 dollars a month. Somthing I find my self more and more willing to do. It doesnt hurt that they are also working on the world of darkness MMO, and I cant think of any company more capable of doing that game right except possibly Trokia who's loss I still morn.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Sometimes you guys do a pretty poor job illustrating the point that Eve has a more mature player base than other MMOs.  Feel free to keep proving my point, though.

that eve attracts trolls who deny trolling despite having trolly sigs?

that we dont like you?

that the reaction you get is not the standard reaction?

which point?

The average age of an Eve player is much higher than other mmos out there, unfortunately age is not a judgement of maturity. I have met some 14 year olds in Eve that made some 40 year olds look like babies, I have even seen this in other games. The fact still remains though Eves steep learning curve does tend to keep the younger game audience out. This is not because they are retarded or cannot handle Eve though. It's just because most kids and teenagers are impatient and do not want to go through all the reading and tutorials. The younger people that do get past the beginning tend to be of a more mature mindset.

The average age and education of the playerbase in eve is a judgement of the overall maturity in the game. However, there are always exceptions, but they are quite rare.  Overall there is to say that for example the high percentage of stupid leet kiddies in WoW along with the comic graphics makes it a very childish game. Eve is quite the opposite. It requires quite some IQ and maturity to even be able to understand and play the game. For WoW, there is no such thing.

I have played alot of different mmo's and somehow I always return to EVE, think its my third time now. I come to realize that 95% mmo's are almost exactly the same so if you have played a couple of them you have played them all. Everything that's released feels just liek I am playing some old crap from 10 years ago only thing changed is the graphic.

Now.. The reason that EVE is growing is there is no other game like it and most people that end up there are the ones that are real bored of all sandbox mmo's. The learning curve in EVE is insane so it's not for everyone.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Taram
Nonsense... EVE has doubled in size every year...

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Nonsense, indeed. It does not double every year...
EVE got 70k in 2004, 100k was reported in mid 2006 and 200k at fall 2007. Now we can count 300k subs.

Also, EVE numbers went up by 20% since start of 2009 and thats because massive add campaign(and development focused towards PVE and fluff).

EVE Most certainly did not get 70k in 2004... check your facts.

At Release in 2003 it had around 10-15,000 subs

At the end of 2003 it had roughly 30,000 subs

At the end of 2004 it had roughly 55,000 subs

At the end of 2005 it had roughly 95,000 subs

At the END of 2006 it had roughly 160,000 subs

At the END of 2007 it had roughly 210,000 subs

At the END of 2008 it had roughly 280,000 subs

At latest report in 2009 EVE has around 310,000 subs

But you are right, I was a bit off it hasn't doubled every year though it did til 2006/7.  Since then it's grown by a bit around 30-50% per year.

Basically EVE has had solid steady growth since release.  considering EVE started with 10,000 players where it is now is phenomenal.  Most games wouldn't have survived.... they'd have been cancelled in their first year with those numbers.  CCP stuck with it though and the game has grown, steadily over the years.  Actually it has a better growth *rate* than any other game ever released with the exception of WoW (and wow's rate of growth declined rapidly after it's 2nd year) :).  Based on the numbers above trying to say that EVE is still growing because of a new box on shelves that just started this year and a 'add campaign' this year is ludicrous.  It's grown by 20% over the course of 5 months this year which means it's growth rate, based on previous years, really hasn't changed much due to either shelf presense or add campaign.

To be honest the fact that a 6 year old game is still seeing 30-50% growth every year is an accomplishment that is noteworthy.  Most games are well into their decline by this time in their lifecycle but EVE keeps growing and has yet to plateau.  Even WOW seems to have plateau'd and it's not even 5 yet.

I have one last thing to say those of you in here that play EvE, give yourself a pat on the Back you are the ELIT!

There are those mmo players who excel beyone thier peers, and then there are these who excel all mmoers, being paragons of what a mmo player migh hope to achieve, AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE THAT PLAY EVE, these players who fate deemed worthy to stand above all others....and all hate and envy that are cast at us will only make our Legend become stronger!

EvE is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave, 
EVE is Wisdom to the mighty, EVE is Succour to the brave,
So the world shall be EVEs footstool, and the soul of Time her slave,
Our Game is marching on.
 

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah! 
EvEs truth is marching on.

Originally posted by Zlayer77

I have one last thing to say those of you in here that play EvE, give yourself a pat on the Back you are the ELIT!

There are those mmo players who excel beyone thier peers, and then there are these who excel all mmoers, being paragons of what a mmo player migh hope to achieve, AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE THAT PLAY EVE, these players who fate deemed worthy to stand above all others....and all hate and envy that are cast at us will only make our Legend become stronger!

EvE is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave, 
EVE is Wisdom to the mighty, EVE is Succour to the brave,
So the world shall be EVEs footstool, and the soul of Time her slave,
Our Game is marching on.
 

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah! 
EvEs truth is marching on.

WOW that's sig worthy material.