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5/29/09 7:06:58 AM#201
Originally posted by Gdemami Did I say anything about removing ship loss? losing a ship keeps the market moving but so does actually buying shit. Whats so hard to understand? 6k ships get blown up daily, those players need to replace those ships, mods and rigs. People need to make those Items so they need to buy or farm materials it all keeps it going. Who gives a shit why someone buys soemthing off the market, as long as they keep buying it its all good. Your making such a big deal about ship loss even though I see no evidence that the market is being harmed at all. Do people not buy materials off the market? Ships? mods? rigs? yes? then who gives a shit why they buy it. Playing: EvE, Ryzom |
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5/29/09 7:13:05 AM#202
Yeah, that's what I had on mind... |
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qazyman
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Joined: 10/04/06
A Good Sandbox isn't about your characters abilities; It's about the players ability. |
5/29/09 7:39:08 AM#203
Originally posted by JGMIII Did I say anything about removing ship loss? losing a ship keeps the market moving but so does actually buying shit. Whats so hard to understand? 6k ships get blown up daily, those players need to replace those ships, mods and rigs. People need to make those Items so they need to buy or farm materials it all keeps it going. Who gives a shit why someone buys soemthing off the market, as long as they keep buying it its all good. Your making such a big deal about ship loss even though I see no evidence that the market is being harmed at all. Do people not buy materials off the market? Ships? mods? rigs? yes? then who gives a shit why they buy it.
The ecomony is a major reason EVE continues to grow. No doubt about that. Did anyone say Capital Fleet Destroyed!!!? Just Curious. |
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cosy
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Joined: 9/15/04
EvE Rules #491 you should never, ever attack Russians on winter months |
5/29/09 12:51:10 PM#204
@OP 1st post (i know i am late hehehe) most of the EvE content is made to suit players needs and based on players ideas so there are allot of chances that ppl that dont play eve like some features and join
so somehow eve is a "custom" game
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5/29/09 2:06:07 PM#205
Originally posted by cosy
LOL! what's up Cosy! o7 Playing: EvE, Ryzom |
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gnomexxx
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Joined: 2/26/06
"Every generation needs a new revolution." - Thomas Jefferson |
5/30/09 3:11:29 PM#206
Originally posted by Cammy
I deleted what I wrote as well.... and completely agree.
JGM's comments were great.
What confuses me is... if you don't like the game, why is there a need to come to the forums and blast it?? I never could understand that logic - that said... EVE is by far the best MMO I've played to date, and I've played almost all of them dating back to the UO days. My biggest regret is that I didn't give this game a chance before now. My question is, if you like a game then why is there a need to come to the forums and fawn over it? It sort of goes both ways. I like to read both types of posts because it gives me a both sides of the story perspective. Perhaps there should be some additions to this site where they create some new forum titles for each game. One can be for those who want to praise a game and the other can be one for those who want to talk about their bad experience they had with it. But if you go to any forum on any site (not just gaming sites) what you're going to find is that most of the time people like to complain about things. It's a way to get something off of their chest and also a way to warn others. I can see why people do it. =============================== |
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5/31/09 3:15:33 PM#207
Read over this forum and you'll see that there are some people that make a mini-career out of bashing eve. I don't think anyone here has any problem with people explaining what they don't like about the game, but there are some here that repeat the same things OVER and OVER again. The simple truth is that the vast majority of these posters either have a personality type that is completely incompatible with the game or have never really played the game long enough to understand it. It gets frustrating seeing the same types of negative posts over and over from the same few people. It's obvious that bashing the game is an end in itself for these folks. Many seem to be offended by "elitist" eve fans. From my point of view it's not elitism but simple HONESTY when you tell people that Eve is far more complex than the average MMO, and that it takes a LOT more patience, toughness, and problem solving ability to even get started in this game than it does in others. |
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6/08/09 3:51:10 PM#208
Originally posted by LynxJSA 2005 - CCP upgraded hardware to RamSan 400 Solid State Hard Disks, the world's fastest storage devices 2006 - CCP launched the largest supercomputer in the gaming industry, running on IBM Blade Server Technology. This was also a first for digital entertainment, as well. Prior to this, the Blade servers were military grade equipment. 2007 - CCP hired economist Dr. Eyjólfur Guðmundsson to analyze and monitor the economy of EVE Online. He is the first virtual world economist. CCP begins publishing Quarterly Economic Reports on the game's economy. 2008 - CCP develops StacklessIO, a new network layer created internally by CCP along with their upgraded 64-bit server software. This has allowed EVE players to reach peaks of 1,400 pilots in a single area as well as have fleet battles of up to 1,000 participants. Looking forward to what 2009 brings.
Amazing!!! And none of it can cure the boredom I feel while playing the game. |
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6/08/09 4:13:39 PM#209
Originally posted by cfurlin Amazing!!! And none of it can cure the boredom I feel while playing the game. Aww, do you want and ice cream and some cartoons to watch on tv ? |
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6/08/09 4:18:45 PM#210
Originally posted by Enkindu MMOs seem to breed fanboys (and the odd fangirl), with all the great and not-so-great things that go with them. I never really understood the need for some people to come on internet forums and spew venom about whatever MMO, game console, Final Fantasy game, annoying windows glitch, or whatever that annoys them. Maybe nobody listens to them IRL. Personally, I say, if you don't like it, don't pay for it. It's not like we all live in a communist country where YOU WILL PLAY EvE or whatever. |
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6/08/09 4:32:06 PM#211
Originally posted by Lordmonkus Amazing!!! And none of it can cure the boredom I feel while playing the game. Aww, do you want and ice cream and some cartoons to watch on tv ? Might as well, they would be more interesting than EvE. |
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6/08/09 4:48:28 PM#212
lollordofthecarebears. |
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6/08/09 4:56:40 PM#213
"Why is EVEs playerbase expanding while other MMOs population decline?"
The only answer is that EVE does what EVE does well and that keeps its players happy. I suspect that much of EVE's growth is multi account players but clearly EVE suceeeds at satisfying those who like what EVE does and for that it deserves dredit. I suppose you could mention that there is really not another game out there that does what EVE does too (the sandbox, empire building, complex administration game type thing).
Originally posted by x_rast_x Not yet anyways. Of course, change is coming so for how long that is the case it is hard to say. -------------------------------- |
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6/08/09 5:40:18 PM#214
Originally posted by AgtSmith
Thats exactly right... EVE just does things so well. Those who just say "Blah EVE is boring" I can almost guarantee never got past the trial stage. EVE Is a fantastic game, and honestly I've played every MMO for the past 10 years..... its in a league of its own. That said, I was one of the people saying "who the hell would play this ? Sooo boring" only a few short months ago. The thing with EVE is, its sometimes very hard to get into.. because the commands/controls are SO DIFFERENT than the rest of the MMO market. This doesn't make it a bad game - just a differerent game. People can respectfully disagree, and that's ok.... but if you are looking for something thats enjoyable for the long haul - this is it.
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6/08/09 6:24:08 PM#215
Originally posted by Cammy Not yet anyways. Of course, change is coming so for how long that is the case it is hard to say.
Thats exactly right... EVE just does things so well. Those who just say "Blah EVE is boring" I can almost guarantee never got past the trial stage. EVE Is a fantastic game, and honestly I've played every MMO for the past 10 years..... its in a league of its own. That said, I was one of the people saying "who the hell would play this ? Sooo boring" only a few short months ago. The thing with EVE is, its sometimes very hard to get into.. because the commands/controls are SO DIFFERENT than the rest of the MMO market. This doesn't make it a bad game - just a differerent game. People can respectfully disagree, and that's ok.... but if you are looking for something thats enjoyable for the long haul - this is it.
I think you took what I said a step too far, EVE doesn't do 'things' so well it does 'its thing' so well, there is a big difference.
While I can see, even partially agree, with the 'it is boring' crowd I can also see how those not interested in an action type game but more an empire building or economy administration game love it. I have been playing for about three weeks, advanced quite a ways in terms of a new player, but ultimately I find the combat so boring I don't see going much further. I just do not find the 'click to go here' and 'click to attack' that style very interesting even if it might get better in the large group battles or other down the road stuff. To me EVE combat has little to do with skill, it is all knowledge based (knowledge of the skills and configuration and whatnot) in so far as it is more about what you bring to a fight and what you know when you get in the fight than what you do in the find outside of multi target strategies or group dynamics. More power to those who like that style, it is just not my thing. But for those who do like that EVE caters to them very well.
The real secret to EVE's success is that they started with a core idea and built up from there. Rather than what so many games do rtying to cram in enough things for launch to be all things to all people, even if individually those pieces are incomplete or underdeveloped. EVE seems to have built the core and fleshed it out well and then slowly added to what they had along the way never straying to far from that core. That is why I sum it up saying that, simply, EVE does what EVE does well. In picking its thing and sticking to it EVE has managed to grow its base over time and for that it deserves credit. -------------------------------- |
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qazyman
Gurista
Joined: 10/04/06
A Good Sandbox isn't about your characters abilities; It's about the players ability. |
6/08/09 8:35:42 PM#216
Originally posted by AgtSmith
Thats exactly right... EVE just does things so well. Those who just say "Blah EVE is boring" I can almost guarantee never got past the trial stage. EVE Is a fantastic game, and honestly I've played every MMO for the past 10 years..... its in a league of its own. That said, I was one of the people saying "who the hell would play this ? Sooo boring" only a few short months ago. The thing with EVE is, its sometimes very hard to get into.. because the commands/controls are SO DIFFERENT than the rest of the MMO market. This doesn't make it a bad game - just a differerent game. People can respectfully disagree, and that's ok.... but if you are looking for something thats enjoyable for the long haul - this is it.
I think you took what I said a step too far, EVE doesn't do 'things' so well it does 'its thing' so well, there is a big difference.
While I can see, even partially agree, with the 'it is boring' crowd I can also see how those not interested in an action type game but more an empire building or economy administration game love it. I have been playing for about three weeks, advanced quite a ways in terms of a new player, but ultimately I find the combat so boring I don't see going much further. I just do not find the 'click to go here' and 'click to attack' that style very interesting even if it might get better in the large group battles or other down the road stuff. To me EVE combat has little to do with skill, it is all knowledge based (knowledge of the skills and configuration and whatnot) in so far as it is more about what you bring to a fight and what you know when you get in the fight than what you do in the find outside of multi target strategies or group dynamics. More power to those who like that style, it is just not my thing. But for those who do like that EVE caters to them very well.
The real secret to EVE's success is that they started with a core idea and built up from there. Rather than what so many games do rtying to cram in enough things for launch to be all things to all people, even if individually those pieces are incomplete or underdeveloped. EVE seems to have built the core and fleshed it out well and then slowly added to what they had along the way never straying to far from that core. That is why I sum it up saying that, simply, EVE does what EVE does well. In picking its thing and sticking to it EVE has managed to grow its base over time and for that it deserves credit.
I assume you mean fight there. If so I would say you have a firm grasp of the basics but not much more. IMHO combat is extremely varied and can be used to describe many PVP activities. But at it's core it is about opportunities and using those opportunities to kill others. You cannot be a capable PVP'er without being able to out think your opponent, in the moment, and being able to use all the weapon systems in a fight, both yours and his, to your advantage. It's easy to mistake complexity for a need for knowledge over skill, but in EVE's case I think it requires both to be really good. You start out with the knowledge of what you are capable of and you can plan for various outcomes but you never really know what your facing until you engage. At that point the fight provides you with all the information you need in an instance while you are doing dozens of things. You simply can't take in all the knowledge at once no matter how fast or good you are. It takes skill and judgment to use what you can decipher and win. What you do in the fight is what separates the average combat pilots from the truly dangerous ones. You can see this when you watch a really talented pilot (or team of) totally dismember an opponent, that on paper you would have thought could not lose. It's often not that the opponent was bad, just that they engaged with type of tactics you described. |
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6/08/09 8:45:37 PM#217
EVE has always been EVE. That right there is the core of its success: It never tried to be something it wasnt, and it never strayed far from its path. Mind you, CCP has the luxury of not having anyong greedy enough breathing down their neck to force them to adapt to the so-called casual market, or the hardcore market, or the teenager market or whatever else is CEOs FotM. Thats a luxury most failing, or weak, MMOs dont seem to have. But EVE never pissed off its core audience, which IMO led to a lot of good word-of-mouth, and coupled with the high quality and the fact that it is exactly what it promises, but not more and not less, gets more people on board than scares them away. Also, its pretty timeless in its presentation, not relying on raw hardware power, but looking quite pretty. Most other MMOs change direction multiple times, rarely with big success. Even the big WoW apparently has now plateau'd, since its sub numbers are no longer growing (11.5 Mio. subs for over 5 months now). EVE still grows. |
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6/08/09 8:56:52 PM#218
Originally posted by cfurlin Aww, do you want and ice cream and some cartoons to watch on tv ? Might as well, they would be more interesting than EvE. Maybe the ball and cup game would be more your speed. |
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6/08/09 9:09:51 PM#219
EvE is a unique game, both in terms of setting, mechanism and overall feel. It is steady, and growing roughly in proportion to the expansion in MMO player base, slowly. Other MMOs declined? Some declines a few still growing. No one is competing with EvE, so it has yet to face exodus, that killed many other games. In turn, one must say CCP is doing a good job keeping it clients happy. |
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6/08/09 9:33:01 PM#220
Originally posted by Lordmonkus Aww, do you want and ice cream and some cartoons to watch on tv ? Might as well, they would be more interesting than EvE. Maybe the ball and cup game would be more your speed.
I played EVE for two years before cancelling my account (February 2009). So, please don't patronize me with your 12 year-old little-boy attitude. You can make all the snide comments you like just so you can make yourself feel better, but your elitist attitude doesn't impress me. Most people who play EVE who "get it" soon realize that 90% of what's in the game is just "unncessary candy" for people like you who need to feel like they can master something complex. What they also realize is that people like you talk smack in forums like this, but in-game you are the losers who hover around 1.0 stations, chatting about your exploits that never happened, rarely venturing out into 0.0 space, and playing "dress up" with ships instead of clothes, like WoW. There is not much difference between you and the little girl playing with her Barbie. So come on, lorddorkus, give it your best shot. Let's have some more of that immature 12 year-old humor. I'm sure the other EVE players who act just like you will eat it right up. Maybe you can get together and fondle yourselves while looking at photos of the CCP dev team. Just remember to clean off the screen before mommy gets home. |
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