The promised Darkfall was vaporware.

The Darkfall we got is 1/10th of the promised Darkfall.

Funny how people always defend the games they like (when not feature complete at launch) with the age old statement that "Even WOW was a mess at launch," which is of course true, but when it concerns games they DISLIKE that argument is lost somewhere in Narnia and every aspect which is not or poorly implemented gets scolded in hellfire.

In that sense the OP has a point. DF managed to 'launch', now let's see if they manage to get some more servers up and running, fix the birth complications and actually start to make enough money to buy Tasos a nice little seaside mansion to settle down to try and forget about the huge load of hate and cr*p in general which has been flung his way in the past years or so.

The fact that most mmorpg's have issues, and sometimes really big problems at launch doesn't mean the game can develop in something quite worthwhile to a lot of people after some time.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

 

This is vapourware, compare what the game you were promised is to what you have now.

Not the same game, clearly the game they were saying they were developing never came out.

 

This.

And for the record, I'm still here, Huckleberry.  I didn't run anywhere.  I said it was vaporware, and I was right.  I admit I was wrong when I thought they might not have any game at all, they did have a game, but it is obviously far different from what they claimed to have, and the development updates appear to have been mostly lies.  Darkfail was the epitome of vaporware, the fact that they finally released something doesn't change that.  BitBoys also built actual graphics cards and ended up selling their technology to another company after they went bankrupt, but they are one of the classic examples of vaporware in the history of computing because they made wild, impossible claims about their product to generate hype and repeatedly failed to produce said product, exactly like Darkfail.  Delay after delay, exactly like Darkfail.  And when they finally did produce what they had it was a pale shadow of what they claimed to have, just like Darkfail.

In conclusion, Darkfail WAS vaporware, now it's just a really shitty game that few people want to play.  The people [including me] who said they thought the Darkfail project was a total scam and they weren't developing a game at all were wrong, that is true.  And for that I apologize to the Darkfail fans and developers, but the larger point that the game was vaporware I have to admit I was correct about.

Originally posted by ianubisi

Every game that has a future release schedule is vaporware until it can be played. Until you can prove empirically through direct interaction the features of a game those features remain vaporware. I stand by that assessment to this day and will continue to do so.

When you consider the long list of features that are advertised for this game, and match that to the existing features reported in the game, you also can call those features vaporware.

Is the game vaporware now? Doesn't seem so. But there sure is a hell of a lot of vapor surrounding it.

That is not correct. The standard definition of vaporware is applied to a game that has gone outside of the normal paramaters and perceptions fo development, including but not limited to scheduling, and financing, the company disolving, merging, etc.

In other words there must be some reason to believe the game might not release before it is categorized as vaporware.

If Blizzard starts making a new game it's not instantly "vaporware" until it is released. It only becomes vaporware if at some point the release becomes questionable.

Then, if the game does release, it was still vaporware because the release was questionable, and after the release it becomes "redemptive software".

Half Life was once vaporware, it is now redemptive software. Because Half Life released and became a successful game, that doesn't change history and make it a fact that it was never considered to be vaporware.

Wrong.  Vapourware are games that never see the light of day.   Darkfall has seen the light.

Originally posted by Cainurk

What happened to the [Edit:] very happy people [Edit] who said that DF was vaporware? It didn't exist, remember?

Well.. I played the game, and changed my opinion. We, the gamers, could be terrible people, but if a game is good, is good. 

Originally posted by Benthon

The promised Darkfall was vaporware.

The Darkfall we got is 1/10th of the promised Darkfall.

couldnt have said it better myself

"The promised Darkfall was vaporware.

The Darkfall we got is 1/10th of the promised Darkfall."

+1 The game itself wasn't vaporware, but they game they promised was, I called the trolls and fanbois out on that one as well and got backlashed lmao.

Darkfall launched, true.

There was a time, not too long ago, when that seemed highly unlikely.

Someday it might even be available to everyone who wants to sign up.

Originally posted by Cainurk

What happened to the [Edit:] very happy people [Edit] who said that DF was vaporware? It didn't exist, remember?

 

Where are those posters? They couldn't admit that they were wrong? This isnt a post to say DF is the best game ever, but in all honesty, it recieved a shitload of hate based on the fact that it wasnt released. Something about a few fanbois making up stories about the gameplay, and using bots to play with, or some such nonsense.

 

Anyway. You trolls [Edit:] enjoy lewd acts. [Edit]   Darkfall was obviously released (Even if there is a lame-assed shop delay thing going on), and you were wrong.

 

Update - this isnt a troll post. I'm calling people on their bullshit and slander. Nothing baiting about it. If  over a hundred forum users cry "VAPOURWARE!", and the game is released, then someone should say something about it. I've edited the post a bit to ensure that carebear whiners don't get offended.

Why has this been posted again? Didn't we already go through these string of posts already? Seriously, why?

This post is a few months late.  Live in the now and join the new arguements.

Originally posted by Jackdog

I admit I was wrong  and thought it was vaporware right up to release. Turns out the developers were just too ashamed of the game to show it to anyone. Now the question is who was the most wrong, those who thought it was vaporware or those who believed the BS the developers were laying on about the features. From what I have heard about the game it will brealk the "huge pile of steaming dung" standard that D&L set.

I still wonder about this.

I would like to see a list of staff working on DF vs date vs progress? (Of course I never will)

There is no question that there was someone working on DF at some time who had talent (wrote the basic engine etc) but I wonder if that person (or persons) is (are) still there?
It just looks to me like the current team lack the skills needed to make their ideas a reality?

Looking at the definition on the net, yes it is VAPORWARE.

vaporware

/vay'pr-weir/ n. Products announced far in advance of any release (which may or may not actually take place).

Merriam-Webstar

" va·por·ware
Pronunciation:
\?v?-p?r-?wer\
Function: noun

a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available"

DF has not being "widely advertised" and i am a happy customer having obtained and currently playing the game.

Darkfall is still in closed paid Beta, until a real retail launch I still say Vapourware (and crappy vapourware at that!).

Originally posted by Agricola1

Darkfall is still in closed paid Beta, until a real retail launch I still say Vapourware (and crappy vapourware at that!).

You don't like to follow worldwide acknowledged definitions but instead you live in your own world making up your own definitions and stuff.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Agricola1

Darkfall is still in closed paid Beta, until a real retail launch I still say Vapourware (and crappy vapourware at that!).

 

You don't like to follow worldwide acknowledged definitions but instead you live in your own world making up your own definitions and stuff.

And I'm considering changing my name by deed poll next week to "Tasos Flamborous", and then the cycle shall be complete!

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Agricola1

Darkfall is still in closed paid Beta, until a real retail launch I still say Vapourware (and crappy vapourware at that!).

 

You don't like to follow worldwide acknowledged definitions but instead you live in your own world making up your own definitions and stuff.

i'm not sure which to reply with...

1 pot meet kettle

2 learn that words may have multiple meanings, and ignorance of the actual meanings of words does not invalidate those definitions any more than lying about definitions (to make them fit your agenda) changes the actual definition itself.

pot meet kettle isn't really accurate.  the other one has lots of words.

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Agricola1

Darkfall is still in closed paid Beta, until a real retail launch I still say Vapourware (and crappy vapourware at that!).

 

You don't like to follow worldwide acknowledged definitions but instead you live in your own world making up your own definitions and stuff.

 

And I'm considering changing my name by deed poll next week to "Tasos Flamborous", and then the cycle shall be complete!

What about instead you enrich you word pool by adding a new word to it.

'Vaportroll' :

Someone who hates the concept , design and the developers of a software product and comment every progress being made on the game with calling it a vaporware and deny the fact that developers working on it.

After the piece of software has been released , the vaportroll continues to write hate posts in public forums and denie the fact that even himself was able to buy the game..

and while we at it ..

noun : 'Ed Zitron'

A vaportroll who exploit an official webzine/magazine position to throw hate- tirade on a released software using low ethics on executing his job in attempt to bury the work and effort developers have invested into a game.

use :

"you have pulled an Ed Zitron on these exciting  game. you fired and have to live under a bridge where we grabbed you from"

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Agricola1

Darkfall is still in closed paid Beta, until a real retail launch I still say Vapourware (and crappy vapourware at that!).

 

You don't like to follow worldwide acknowledged definitions but instead you live in your own world making up your own definitions and stuff.

 

And I'm considering changing my name by deed poll next week to "Tasos Flamborous", and then the cycle shall be complete!

 

What about instead you enrich you word pool by adding a new word to it.

'Vaportroll' :

Someone who hates the concept , design and the developers of a software product and comment every progress being made on the game with calling it a vaporware and deny the fact that developers working on it.

After the piece of software has been released , the vaportroll continues to write hate posts in public forums and denie the fact that even himself was able to buy the game..

and while we at it ..

noun : 'Ed Zitron'

A vaportroll who exploit an official webzine/magazine position to throw hate- tirade on a released software using low ethics on executing his job.

use :

"you have pulled an Ed Zitron on these exciting  game. you fired and have to live under a bridge where we grabbed you from"

 

 

sadly, your ignorance of common terms, does not help validate your QQing or trolling.  not one iota.

and, even more sadly, none of your trolling will improve any of the horridly wrong things in darkfall.

now its a complete utter failure in mmorpg history i think the first would of been better then the 2nd