Originally posted by FreddyNoNose

Originally posted by rello

Everyone here does realize that steroids dont just make muscles just bulge out of your arms right? All it does it reduce the time you have to rest between working out. So it would be more realistic to say Are people who play 24 hours a day in mmorpg's to farm gold similar to professional baseball players who use steroids?

 

So what are we looking at here:  Mountain Dew or Jolt cola?

We are looking at nothing as this is probably the stupidest analogy ever to come accross mankind.

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I'd like to see steroids legalized in Baseball. If fans truly hated sterioid use, then Baseball teams would be going broke because no one was going to games or watching them on TV, but that hasn't happened.

I'm not so much bothered by gold farmers and gold sellers. Rather than try to stop gold farmers and gold sellers, I"d rather see a game design that discourages gold farming to the point it's just not worth it.

 

Since you would like to see steroids legalized in baseball would you also like to see gold selling and buying legalized in MMORPG?

It is already legal in quite a few MMOs. And straightly speaking, against company policy is not exactly "illegal". No one is going to jail for gold buying.

Originally posted by rello

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by clint3164

Originally posted by MMOAdvisor

No they aren't. Baseball player who use drugs seriously tisk their health, and risk to die as well. You dont risk to die buying currencies.

Also, drugs are illegal, buying gold is legal but for the EULA, wich is not a law but a contract.

 I have to agree here. Steriods give you an unfair advantage just like farming. I think that one of the differences is people who buy gold do it because they enjoy a game and their real time is more valuable than real money. Steroid users are similar to gold buyers but not really. Many pro baseball players are given the steroids for free. So what if you were given lots of gold for free that gave you an unfair advantage, is that still unfair?

If your time is more valuable than money, then go find something else to do.  MMOs, like it or not, require time.  That's part of the hobby.  If you don't like it, you need to find a different hobby.  It's no better to say "I want to play professional sports but I don't like all the training and the practice so I'm going to use steroids (or other enhancing drugs) so I don't have to actually do anything, I can just get to the good stuff."

Unfortunately, real life doesn't work that way.

You do realize that all steroids do is reduce the time you have to rest between working out right? So in reality its allowing your body to train and practice MORE. Unfortunately you post without knowing the facts.

You do realize that this is an analogy, right?  Stop getting hung up in the irrelevant details and actually debate what it means.

If you don't get the analogy between those things you should think more. But then, you could read the mentioned article about steroids and see that they are not as deadly as the press makes them seem, heck, even drugs when not overabused are not that deadly, instead the why not do it resides into more than being bad for your health.

And sorry, I can't think of illegal gold sales without associating with F2P item malls in the sense that they are merely a legalized real-gold sink into "asteroids" for your character.

Yes, they can be compared and pretty much are the same - while in sports it reduces the time you have to train, increases your physical limits or resistance, it pretty much does the relative same in RPGs: reduces the time you have to spend, increases your gameplay limits (would you have be able to farm for that big item otherwise? would you have been able to reach that level or rule in pvp without the big xp enhancers, attribute enchances and upgrade enhancers?).

IMO, when MMORPGs let more and more people buy gold, and when they put their F2P lies with their cash shops, they are merely abusing their idiot mechanics that fail to remove what makes farming boring or unnecessary and let people sink their money when their MMO fails.

If you HAVE TO BUY gold in a MMO, it fails for you, fact. Go play in some single-player RPG environment where you can cheat freely, the MMO part of the genre has to constantly fight against things that give edges to other players - gold farming, power leveling, hacking, item malls and so on.

Don't start the "RPGs are uneven because you must spend time" BS - that is part of the character persistency and development mechanic of RPGs, and that merely exists to make people interested in playing - why should you keep killing virtual monsters on a not-so-great graphical and sound environment? Because you want to evolve in that game - gain experience, develop skills, gain acess to higher level maps and monsters, and go further in the storyline.

Time versus how you play should be the only valid measurements for your evolution games, or did people forget the objective of games is to have... fun? Probably, because they are too focused spending all their RL money power leveling characters and buying gold to afford everything in their games, simply because they do not enjoy the RPG part of games - RPGs are not for you then, there are certainly a lot of more competitive genres around: RTS, TCG, FPS, etc.

Originally posted by CaptainTroll

Originally posted by TheHavok

 

 

Havok please do not troll this thread with your silly pictures. We are trying to have an intelligent conversation here and if you continue with this childish behavior I will have no choice but to remove you from this thread. Please control yourself. Thanks.

if you think that something half intelligent can sprout in such idiot topic like this one, I've got a bridge i'd like to sell to you.bet it will look good with the other 4 you have probably bought by now.Please refrain from ever using the New Thread button again. Thanks

Frankly I think steriods should be legal in sports. At this time in profesional sports, whats the point really. Players take it and get by even with the testing, especially in the NFL. Level the playing field imho. As to buying gold, I do it and dont have any problems with it. Farming for hours to get gold the good 'ol way, is time I do not have.

Well one thing's for sure...the op's name certainly fits well.

What hasn't been addressed is the growing use of steroids in MMORPG players. With games adding more twitch elements to game play, you really need to work on your clicking ability, and often players turn to steroids.

What hasn't been addressed is the growing use of steroids in MMORPG players. With games adding more twitch elements to game play, you really need to work on your clicking ability, and often players turn to steroids.

Haha that made me LOL :-))

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

What hasn't been addressed is the growing use of steroids in MMORPG players. With games adding more twitch elements to game play, you really need to work on your clicking ability, and often players turn to steroids.

 

 

Quite correct actually. In addtion to being a shameless gold buyer, I abuse steroids in order to dominate my fellow MMORPG gamers.   (PLAY TO CRUSH)

You all don't stand a chance and might as well quit and give all your stuff to me.

Originally posted by EricDanie

And sorry, I can't think of illegal gold sales without associating with F2P item malls in the sense that they are merely a legalized real-gold sink into "asteroids" for your character.

The difference is that in one, the item malls are a legitimate part of the game, designed and run by the company that wrote and operates the MMO and in the other, it's not.  F2P item malls are typically necessary to play the game at all, there are a lot of things that, no matter how long you play or how hard you try, you cannot get for free.  That's not true of a P2P MMO.

In one, such malls are a part of the rules and a part of the game.  In the other, they are against the rules and a means of cheating in the game.  You can't point to a different game with different rules and demand those rules apply elsewhere.  If you want to play that game with those rules so badly, go ahead.  Just don't try to do it in a game where it simply doesn't apply.

Illegal (per the rules of most games) and unfair shortcut? Check.

Sacrificing the health of the game for short term benefit? Check.

Putting yourself at risk (hacks, viruses etc.) for the same short term benefit? Check.

Yep, I'd say the analogy works.

I voted it is similar to steroids... but I also think there should be a seperate baseball league where steroid use is considered acceptable. Give them somewhere to be ridiculous, give them fields twice as big and pay them half as much. Either way everyone wins.

You are kinda off in your analogy. Steroids are used in sports to give the player(s) and edge over other players. A great many MMOs out today are primarily PvE, so the edge you are trying to obtain is not over another player but rather the actual game itself.
Honestly, if I am playing a PvE MMO, I could care less if players buy gold or not. It doesnt usually affect me if another player has better gear or not.

Originally posted by Meltdown

I voted it is similar to steroids... but I also think there should be a seperate baseball league where steroid use is considered acceptable. Give them somewhere to be ridiculous, give them fields twice as big and pay them half as much. Either way everyone wins.

Unfortunately, that's really pretty stupid, it's like having a baseball league where the players can shoot up PCP and carry spiked baseball bats to stop others from tagging them out. At that point, it stops being baseball and starts being a melee.