What the real question is, what would Twatos have done if it got 0/10?

Has anyone thought that the reviewer was actually being generous towards Aventurine?

Originally posted by Agricola1

What the real question is, what would Twatos have done if it got 0/10?

Has anyone thought that the reviewer was actually being generous towards Aventurine?

I see what you did there with the yellow font...nice :D

Call me dumb, but I'm still going to try darkfall.. If they release a trial that is.

I have extremely low standards when it comes to graphics, i dont mind crappy animations, and i dont mind if I keep slamming my sword into someone the exact same way.. I just want to attend to one of those big massive battles, or set up a trade route on sea.

As of now, the game looks like cowdung though....
But I'll be one of the first humping the trial if It's there.

Originally posted by kdparton

Think about it,

EuroGamer gives the game a 2/10 score in a review, Tasos doesn't live his ickle baby getting such an undeserving low score and continues to berate the reviewer with facts about only being in the game for so many minutes etc.

What if EG gave the game a 10/10 score?? do you think Tasos would come out and start shouting how the reviewer had only played for 2 hours?

The answer is "No Way"

You see, Tasos has tried ever so hard to keep the game open to hardcore fanbois because he knew that they, as fans, would not be objectional towards the game and live with the fact darkfalls gameplay is shot to hell.  Ed Zitface is not a fanboi, hes a normal MMORPG player that didnt have that unconditional love for darkfall in the beginning and therfore saw instantly the trainwreck infront of his very eye's.

It was gonna happen one day Tasos, there was no way you were gonna hide it forever.

 

When he saw the 2/10, and read the review it was apparent to him that the guy hadn't played the game.  If they got a 10/10, it probably would have also been apparent.  So, what he did was investigated to see how much the guy actually did play the game, and found out it wasn't enough to do a proper review.  He then sent this information to EuroGamer (not pubically) and told them to retract it.  At which point they refused - despite having been presented with tangible evidence that (both in the review with factual errors and with the game logs) that the reviewer had not done his job correctly.

If a reviewer for Car and Driver reviewed the newest Cadillac by going to the showroom, having someone open the trunk, and then walked out and gave it a 2/10 - 1. He'd be fired.  2,.if Car and Driver published the review, you could bet your ass GM would release a statement about it., particualry if they had video tape of the guy just looking in the trunk and then walking out.

The unprofessionalism here is 100% Eurogamer's.  You have no point of reference to compare Adventurine's response to, because Eurogamer never gave out a 2 before.  

Originally posted by grimfall

Originally posted by kdparton

Think about it,

EuroGamer gives the game a 2/10 score in a review, Tasos doesn't live his ickle baby getting such an undeserving low score and continues to berate the reviewer with facts about only being in the game for so many minutes etc.

What if EG gave the game a 10/10 score?? do you think Tasos would come out and start shouting how the reviewer had only played for 2 hours?

The answer is "No Way"

You see, Tasos has tried ever so hard to keep the game open to hardcore fanbois because he knew that they, as fans, would not be objectional towards the game and live with the fact darkfalls gameplay is shot to hell.  Ed Zitface is not a fanboi, hes a normal MMORPG player that didnt have that unconditional love for darkfall in the beginning and therfore saw instantly the trainwreck infront of his very eye's.

It was gonna happen one day Tasos, there was no way you were gonna hide it forever.

 

 

When he saw the 2/10, and read the review it was apparent to him that the guy hadn't played the game.  If they got a 10/10, it probably would have also been apparent.  So, what he did was investigated to see how much the guy actually did play the game, and found out it wasn't enough to do a proper review.  He then sent this information to EuroGamer (not pubically) and told them to retract it.  At which point they refused - despite having been presented with tangible evidence that (both in the review with factual errors and with the game logs) that the reviewer had not done his job correctly.

If a reviewer for Car and Driver reviewed the newest Cadillac by going to the showroom, having someone open the trunk, and then walked out and gave it a 2/10 - 1. He'd be fired.  2,.if Car and Driver published the review, you could bet your ass GM would release a statement about it., particualry if they had video tape of the guy just looking in the trunk and then walking out.

The unprofessionalism here is 100% Eurogamer's.  You have no point of reference to compare Adventurine's response to, because Eurogamer never gave out a 2 before.  

Is this irony or are you taking the Aventurine?

I believe Tasos attended the Uwe Boll school of thought.   Lesson one:  If you get a bad review do everything you can to bash the person who wrote it up to and including saying your dad could beat up their dad.   It won't make your product suck any less but at least you get the feeling of superiority not found since the 3rd grade playground days.

Lesson 2- If consumers say your product sucks say its not for them or they don't understand it.  If questioned about who it's for or what you were trying to get across.  Ignore the question and remind them your dad could beat up their dad.

Lesson 3-If all else fails speak in a different language.  If someone knows that language start making up a language.

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by kdparton

Think about it,

EuroGamer gives the game a 2/10 score in a review, Tasos doesn't live his ickle baby getting such an undeserving low score and continues to berate the reviewer with facts about only being in the game for so many minutes etc.

What if EG gave the game a 10/10 score?? do you think Tasos would come out and start shouting how the reviewer had only played for 2 hours?

The answer is "No Way"

You see, Tasos has tried ever so hard to keep the game open to hardcore fanbois because he knew that they, as fans, would not be objectional towards the game and live with the fact darkfalls gameplay is shot to hell.  Ed Zitface is not a fanboi, hes a normal MMORPG player that didnt have that unconditional love for darkfall in the beginning and therfore saw instantly the trainwreck infront of his very eye's.

It was gonna happen one day Tasos, there was no way you were gonna hide it forever.

 

 

You really believe that based on the amount of inaccuracies in that review, regardless of the opinions expressed, Tasos was incorrect in challenging it?

 

 

Ahhh... robertb and his beloved strawman arguments.

That's not the point of the thread.

Tasos only threw a tantrum, pulled player logs, complained how he "didn't play long enough" and called the reviewer a fraud because DF was given such a low score.

However, if DF had gotten a high score, the reviewer could have played 10 minutes and Tasos wouldn't have thought twice about it. He certainly wouldn't have gone off on a public emo-rage hissy fit, saying "10 minutes is not long enough to give it that score!"

Way to ignore the point of the thread, robert... yet again.

 Of course, why would he have a problem with a good review?

Of course, the real concern is that you'd still be making these kinds of posts to troll the game if it got a 10/10.  So what's your point?

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Hhussk

I would expect any company to challenge a 2 out of 10 review. To not dispute such a claim would, in essence, mean that the company accepts the decision imparted to them.

Perhaps the manner in which Tasos defended himself bothers you, but I find no fault in a company defending themselves from a 3rd party.

 

This.  And of course no company would challenge a 10/10, though there'd be no shortage of people who would.

The EG review was a poor piece of reporting IMO, regardless whether you hate Tasso/Aventuring or DF.

 

This and this, QFT.

And why does the OP make such an obvious question?

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by kdparton

Think about it,

EuroGamer gives the game a 2/10 score in a review, Tasos doesn't live his ickle baby getting such an undeserving low score and continues to berate the reviewer with facts about only being in the game for so many minutes etc.

What if EG gave the game a 10/10 score?? do you think Tasos would come out and start shouting how the reviewer had only played for 2 hours?

The answer is "No Way"

You see, Tasos has tried ever so hard to keep the game open to hardcore fanbois because he knew that they, as fans, would not be objectional towards the game and live with the fact darkfalls gameplay is shot to hell.  Ed Zitface is not a fanboi, hes a normal MMORPG player that didnt have that unconditional love for darkfall in the beginning and therfore saw instantly the trainwreck infront of his very eye's.

It was gonna happen one day Tasos, there was no way you were gonna hide it forever.

 

 

You really believe that based on the amount of inaccuracies in that review, regardless of the opinions expressed, Tasos was incorrect in challenging it?

 

 

Ahhh... robertb and his beloved strawman arguments.

That's not the point of the thread.

Tasos only threw a tantrum, pulled player logs, complained how he "didn't play long enough" and called the reviewer a fraud because DF was given such a low score.

However, if DF had gotten a high score, the reviewer could have played 10 minutes and Tasos wouldn't have thought twice about it. He certainly wouldn't have gone off on a public emo-rage hissy fit, saying "10 minutes is not long enough to give it that score!"

Way to ignore the point of the thread, robert... yet again.

 

Please. Looks to me like Tasos read the review and realized that, based on the information contained in the review, the reviewer had not really played his game.

If the review had not contained the glaring inaccuracies, would Tasos have still reacted as he did? 

We do not, in fact, know as this was not the case.

Hypothetically, if the reviewer had given a 10/10 score the review could hypothetically have not had the inaccuracies that caused Tasos to question the reviewer in the first place thereby negating any need for comment on his part.

You fanboys really don't realize HOW MANY GAMES get less than 20% in reviews, do you?

A LOT OF GAMES. And none of those companies writes hit pieces on the reviewer, other than Tasos.

Why? Because Tasos is an immature, illogical, unprofessional MORON. When this game fails (and it will), Tasos will have to find another job and with his wonderful commentary will be ousted from ANY job in game development or publication. I wouldn't want to taint my company with his unprofessionalism.

Keep in mind, he has spent more energy and time in commenting and combating this review than he has in UPDATES TO HIS OWN COMMUNITY. You know, the paying customers are actually paying for him to go off on a tirade like a two year old child about a review that honestly, most nobody cared about to begin with. People actually care more about Eurogamer NOW than ever before, and he's done a great job in boosting the idea that this review sees the light of day for thousands more people than ever needed to.

In the amount of time and effort he has put into this stupidity, he could have you know -- updated the website to say it's not BETA any more, updated the features list, written a better intro manual, helped work on the next patch considerations, etc.

But he decided to waste his time in this drivel and you fanboys are eating it up. God, I hope when you grow up you act a bit more mature than him, else best of luck getting a job with that kind of stupid attitude that your hero shows you.

Originally posted by arimer

I believe Tasos attended the Uwe Boll school of thought.   Lesson one:  If you get a bad review do everything you can to bash the person who wrote it up to and including saying your dad could beat up their dad.   It won't make your product suck any less but at least you get the feeling of superiority not found since the 3rd grade playground days.

 

Lesson 2- If consumers say your product sucks say its not for them or they don't understand it.  If questioned about who it's for or what you were trying to get across.  Ignore the question and remind them your dad could beat up their dad.

Lesson 3-If all else fails speak in a different language.  If someone knows that language start making up a language.

lol....I hadn't associated tasos with uwe boll before.

Tasos, as I've said, should've kept his mouth shut.  Its called tact and tasos didn't use any. 

The time Ed played isn't the issue.  If Ed gave a high score tasos would've kept his mouth shut.  He wouldn't be whining over the short time Ed played.  Ed could've played 10 minutes and given a 10/10.  Tasos would be silent. 

Tasos whined to rally the troops then he admits to refusing another EG review (good idea imo) and accepting the 2/10 score.  He stepped in it and now will never get it off his shoe.  Tasos has done more damage than Eds review.

Originally posted by Spiritof55

Originally posted by arimer

I believe Tasos attended the Uwe Boll school of thought.   Lesson one:  If you get a bad review do everything you can to bash the person who wrote it up to and including saying your dad could beat up their dad.   It won't make your product suck any less but at least you get the feeling of superiority not found since the 3rd grade playground days.

 

Lesson 2- If consumers say your product sucks say its not for them or they don't understand it.  If questioned about who it's for or what you were trying to get across.  Ignore the question and remind them your dad could beat up their dad.

Lesson 3-If all else fails speak in a different language.  If someone knows that language start making up a language.

 

lol....I hadn't associated tasos with uwe boll before.

Tasos, as I've said, should've kept his mouth shut.  Its called tact and tasos didn't use any. 

The time Ed played isn't the issue.  If Ed gave a high score tasos would've kept his mouth shut.  He wouldn't be whining over the short time Ed played.  Ed could've played 10 minutes and given a 10/10.  Tasos would be silent. 

Tasos whined to rally the troops then he admits to refusing another EG review (good idea imo) and accepting the 2/10 score.  He stepped in it and now will never get it off his shoe.  Tasos has done more damage than Eds review.

Agreed, by refusing that second review he's only admitted that he thinks the game is crap too! He's just getting his knickers in a twist because DF sucks and the first and only objective review by a gaming site has confirmed that.

Originally posted by arimer

I believe Tasos attended the Uwe Boll school of thought.   Lesson one:  If you get a bad review do everything you can to bash the person who wrote it up to and including saying your dad could beat up their dad.   It won't make your product suck any less but at least you get the feeling of superiority not found since the 3rd grade playground days.

 

Lesson 2- If consumers say your product sucks say its not for them or they don't understand it.  If questioned about who it's for or what you were trying to get across.  Ignore the question and remind them your dad could beat up their dad.

Lesson 3-If all else fails speak in a different language.  If someone knows that language start making up a language.

That's probably what we need to end all of this. A boxing match between Tasos and Ed Zitron.

... that wouldn't have made it any less of a crap review. I personally fail to see the major issue here. At the rate they are allowing people to play the game they don't really have to worry about people being put off an not flooding in their droves right now.

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by kdparton

Think about it,

EuroGamer gives the game a 2/10 score in a review, Tasos doesn't live his ickle baby getting such an undeserving low score and continues to berate the reviewer with facts about only being in the game for so many minutes etc.

What if EG gave the game a 10/10 score?? do you think Tasos would come out and start shouting how the reviewer had only played for 2 hours?

The answer is "No Way"

You see, Tasos has tried ever so hard to keep the game open to hardcore fanbois because he knew that they, as fans, would not be objectional towards the game and live with the fact darkfalls gameplay is shot to hell.  Ed Zitface is not a fanboi, hes a normal MMORPG player that didnt have that unconditional love for darkfall in the beginning and therfore saw instantly the trainwreck infront of his very eye's.

It was gonna happen one day Tasos, there was no way you were gonna hide it forever.

 

 

You really believe that based on the amount of inaccuracies in that review, regardless of the opinions expressed, Tasos was incorrect in challenging it?

 

 

 

In the 10 yr old tantrum that he did? Yes he was wrong. It reflects badly on the company moreso than a review of a game that already has a stigma of sucking.

 

I don't see the response as being a "10 yr old tantrum", but regardless, the review was a blatant hit piece and the response was, imv, warranted.

On the other hand, the review and the reaction may have been a positive as far as visability for the game is concerned, (free marketing). If the next review that comes out contradicts this review, it will be a net plus for Aventurine. 

We'll see.

 

if ed would've had to play the "get an account lotto", and then have billing issues on top of that...

and if he'd have played the game for say... a few weeks and played it a LOT...

if ed would've gone to the darkfall website and checked out all the features, and then seen what was actually ingame.

if ed would've been defending a town which has a part of a wall floating so that anyone can crouch walk into it.

if ed would've done... a whole hell of a lot more things --- he might've given it a 0/10.

your thread where you try to beat down on the review without any factual information supporting your opinions, really doesn't turn a turd into a diamond.

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

You fanboys really don't realize HOW MANY GAMES get less than 20% in reviews, do you?

 

A LOT OF GAMES. And none of those companies writes hit pieces on the reviewer, other than Tasos.

 

Why? Because Tasos is an immature, illogical, unprofessional MORON. When this game fails (and it will), Tasos will have to find another job and with his wonderful commentary will be ousted from ANY job in game development or publication. I wouldn't want to taint my company with his unprofessionalism.

 

Keep in mind, he has spent more energy and time in commenting and combating this review than he has in UPDATES TO HIS OWN COMMUNITY. You know, the paying customers are actually paying for him to go off on a tirade like a two year old child about a review that honestly, most nobody cared about to begin with. People actually care more about Eurogamer NOW than ever before, and he's done a great job in boosting the idea that this review sees the light of day for thousands more people than ever needed to.

 

In the amount of time and effort he has put into this stupidity, he could have you know -- updated the website to say it's not BETA any more, updated the features list, written a better intro manual, helped work on the next patch considerations, etc.

 

But he decided to waste his time in this drivel and you fanboys are eating it up. God, I hope when you grow up you act a bit more mature than him, else best of luck getting a job with that kind of stupid attitude that your hero shows you.

i would actually like to see someone come up with an intelligent rebuttal to the quoted.

and if you can't come up with an intelligent rebuttal -- think long and hard about why you can't.

INTELLIGENT being the key word here...

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

You fanboys really don't realize HOW MANY GAMES get less than 20% in reviews, do you?

 

A LOT OF GAMES. And none of those companies writes hit pieces on the reviewer, other than Tasos.

 

Why? Because Tasos is an immature, illogical, unprofessional MORON. When this game fails (and it will), Tasos will have to find another job and with his wonderful commentary will be ousted from ANY job in game development or publication. I wouldn't want to taint my company with his unprofessionalism.

 

Keep in mind, he has spent more energy and time in commenting and combating this review than he has in UPDATES TO HIS OWN COMMUNITY. You know, the paying customers are actually paying for him to go off on a tirade like a two year old child about a review that honestly, most nobody cared about to begin with. People actually care more about Eurogamer NOW than ever before, and he's done a great job in boosting the idea that this review sees the light of day for thousands more people than ever needed to.

 

In the amount of time and effort he has put into this stupidity, he could have you know -- updated the website to say it's not BETA any more, updated the features list, written a better intro manual, helped work on the next patch considerations, etc.

 

But he decided to waste his time in this drivel and you fanboys are eating it up. God, I hope when you grow up you act a bit more mature than him, else best of luck getting a job with that kind of stupid attitude that your hero shows you.

So much logic hidden behind so few words . Sadly enough you do realise that you are just "throwing your pearls to the pigs" don't you?

Eh, seems to me that the reviewer simply didn't like the game.

From what I gather, Darkfall does have like, no NPCs around, except ones that are necessary. Also, yes, the graphics are pretty bad. Annnnnnnd that's about it.

The rest of the things that he didn't like are more features, ways of making the game more balanced, rather than bugs or clunky design. You know, like, the whole dragging things off a corpse or off a tree, rather than just shift-right-clicking and taking everything off a corpse in 1/10th of a second.

Actually taking time to do things does add balance to the mainly pvp driven game. In fact, the reviewer didn't seem to want to believe this, and claimed that Aventurine just pulled out the developer cry of "it's a core feature!" just straight out of nowhere! Christ! I have skimmed across the forums over the last few years, and I have read, countless times, YEARS ago, that this was a clan-based pvp game. You can play solo or as a mercenary, but of course there will be disadvantages. As the reviewer, I can only assume, was playing solo, he would have had no one else to help him.

That said, I don't think that anyone would just buy Darkfall without at least a little research, the graphics simply don't make for an exciting feeling (as opposed to the World of Warcraft cinematics - which, when I saw the Dwarf, made me shiver. Actually shiver.)

Ugh... getting off track. To get back to my main point - Darkfall has been called a "hardcore", "realistic" game, where the whole game is meant to play more like a First Person Shooter than a typical target -> spell/attack Role Playing Game.  The game has been talked about over forums and interviews as being mostly player driven. What the reviewer has done is play a game that he simply doesn't like. If I enjoyed war games, I would not play Hello Kitty Adventure. If I enjoyed a largely PvE MMO experience, I would not play a PvP based game. If I enjoyed playing solo (and not being hindered by it) I would not play a clan based game. The reviewer seems to think that games should be tailored to his desires for gameplay, and has disregarded the possibility that some people want this style of gameplay.

TL;DR - The reviewer didn't really like the game, and seems to think that many of the features were bugs or bad design, when they had actually been discussed for years before the game was released. His personal opinion should have been noted, and then a fair review given perhaps by a different reviewer who liked the ideas in the game (even if not the execution of them). A more averaged, fair review, perhaps.

Originally posted by Trinitarian

Tasos may not have even flinched at a score of five or four out of 10.

he wouldn't have been suprised. Afterall his game is the best and speaks for itself.