Loved the movie.  Great day for Star Trek!

I think this can only mean good things for STO and its popularity. Thoughts? 

My main thought is that it is pretty funny that the game is being set in a timeline that no longer exists.

Originally posted by CazNeerg

My main thought is that it is pretty funny that the game is being set in a timeline that no longer exists.

Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.

Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.

I could be wrong though.

Great movie. I hope it helps the game's player base. Hopefully the dev's use the interest to their advantage.

Originally posted by Otiro

Originally posted by CazNeerg

My main thought is that it is pretty funny that the game is being set in a timeline that no longer exists.

 

Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.

Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.

I could be wrong though.

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Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.

Originally posted by CazNeerg

Originally posted by Otiro

Originally posted by CazNeerg

My main thought is that it is pretty funny that the game is being set in a timeline that no longer exists.

 

Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.

Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.

I could be wrong though.

 

Possible SPOILER ALERT

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Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.

 

It is an alternate timeline/reality. They even mention this in the Movie, and JJ has also said this in interviews. So STO does not take place in this reality, but the one established by TNG...God I hate temporal mechanics, makes my head hurt.
 

Or it was all meant to be like this, and everyone knew about the new Vulcan planet but didn't speak much about it. And that ambassador spock (from the future) just l lived 2 more years and then died, remembered by no one because the current Spock (sylar) is still alive.

PERHAPS.

Originally posted by jmd10222

Originally posted by CazNeerg

Originally posted by Otiro

Originally posted by CazNeerg

My main thought is that it is pretty funny that the game is being set in a timeline that no longer exists.

 

Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.

Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.

I could be wrong though.

 

Possible SPOILER ALERT

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Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.

 

It is an alternate timeline/reality. They even mention this in the Movie, and JJ has also said this in interviews. So STO does not take place in this reality, but the one established by TNG...God I hate temporal mechanics, makes my head hurt.
 

But it doesn't *really* establish that the old timeline still exists, except in old Spock's memories.  The character that uses the phrase "alternate reality" isn't a temporal physicist, it is a communications specialist.  The only alternate timeline/reality that has actually been established as existing in any piece of published Star Trek entertainment is the "Dark Mirror" universe.

Also, if his timeline still existed, why wouldn't Old Spock be concentrating on finding a way back?  As for what JJ said in interviews, until he puts it in one of the movies in some definitive way, he can change his mind.  At this point there is nothing concrete to contradict the theory that Old Spock is all that is left of the Star Trek universe that was.

Originally posted by jmd10222

Originally posted by CazNeerg

Originally posted by Otiro

Originally posted by CazNeerg

My main thought is that it is pretty funny that the game is being set in a timeline that no longer exists.

 

Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.

Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.

I could be wrong though.

 

Possible SPOILER ALERT

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>

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Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.

 

It is an alternate timeline/reality. They even mention this in the Movie, and JJ has also said this in interviews. So STO does not take place in this reality, but the one established by TNG...God I hate temporal mechanics, makes my head hurt.
 

Yes, this is the way it is.

STO has adopted the changes to the TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, timeline that took place in the movie.  What this amounts to is that Spock is no longer around, Romulus/Remus are destroyed, the Romulan empire is a bit scatterd, and Vulcan is alive and kickkin!

But yes, time travel makes my head hurt.  At least we don't have to think about paradoxes.  Alternate timeline makes it a bit easier.

Originally posted by tamgros

Originally posted by jmd10222

Originally posted by CazNeerg

Originally posted by Otiro

Originally posted by CazNeerg

My main thought is that it is pretty funny that the game is being set in a timeline that no longer exists.

 

Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.

Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.

I could be wrong though.

 

Possible SPOILER ALERT

>

>

>

Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen.

 

It is an alternate timeline/reality. They even mention this in the Movie, and JJ has also said this in interviews. So STO does not take place in this reality, but the one established by TNG...God I hate temporal mechanics, makes my head hurt.
 

Yes, this is the way it is.

 

STO has adopted the changes to the TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, timeline that took place in the movie.  What this amounts to is that Spock is no longer around, Romulus/Remus are destroyed, the Romulan empire is a bit scatterd, and Vulcan is alive and kickkin!

 

But yes, time travel makes my head hurt.  At least we don't have to think about paradoxes.  Alternate timeline makes it a bit easier.

Because of the timeline rebranch there have been many an upset trekker in other forums I have been to.  Which brings me to my newly found signiture.
 

"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic

I like the timeline shift the movie has brought.  After 40 years of TV shows, movies, and other media there is just to much cannon to have to adhere to.  I think this will allow for some different movies and story lines.  I just hope they don't use time travel AGAIN for a while.

It helps me to see the STO timeline as the original and view this new movie as one of those alternate what if comic books.  You know where Batman somehow runs into Wolverine and gets the crap clawed out of him when the compete for who has the most gravelly voice while comparing who had the worst childhood.

Yes I thought  the movie was great.  Best time I had in movie theater in a long while.

ThIs movie will literally cause a rebirth of the Trek genre.

I went to the Star Trek premiere last night at the midnight showing. My mouth dropped as I watched people walk in to sit down. dozens of teens including shockingly girls (in groups, not just some guy's date) poured in.

Finally I stood up, faced the crowd and stated "am i in the right theatre cause I see teens and girls, this cant be a Trek crowd"

I got some laughs over that.

The concessions kid said that Trek is cool now.

Personally I thought the movie was brilliant. It allows for a new rebirth of the show in a tasteful yet respectful manner. As a hardcore trekkie I fully accept and endorse this movie !

Originally posted by GrandAmOriginally posted by tamgros

Yes, this is the way it is.

 

STO has adopted the changes to the TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, timeline that took place in the movie.  What this amounts to is that Spock is no longer around, Romulus/Remus are destroyed, the Romulan empire is a bit scatterd, and Vulcan is alive and kickkin!

 

But yes, time travel makes my head hurt.  At least we don't have to think about paradoxes.  Alternate timeline makes it a bit easier.

Because of the timeline rebranch there have been many an upset trekker in other forums I have been to.  Which brings me to my newly found signiture.
 

"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic

I like the timeline shift the movie has brought.  After 40 years of TV shows, movies, and other media there is just to much cannon to have to adhere to.  I think this will allow for some different movies and story lines.  I just hope they don't use time travel AGAIN for a while.

It helps me to see the STO timeline as the original and view this new movie as one of those alternate what if comic books.  You know where Batman somehow runs into Wolverine and gets the crap clawed out of him when the compete for who has the most gravelly voice while comparing who had the worst childhood.

Yes I thought  the movie was great.  Best time I had in movie theater in a long while.

While I plan on seeing this movie, I have to disagree with the notion that 40 years of canon is a hindrence or that is somehow a good excuse to reboot. If hollywood writers had half the imagination they used to, they wouldn't be recycling old franchises and movies. Star Trek could have very easily picked up where DS9 and Voyager left off. Just put a new crew on the Enterprise-E and write something original about the state of the Federation and the galaxy. Cardassia has to rebuild, the Dominion changes with Odo linking with them, Bajor comes into the Federation, the romulans have to deal with the ramifications of "Nemesis" etc.etc. But that would be too hard. Let's just go the easy route and create an alternate timeline so we can re-write old characters. I'm glad this movie is popular, but it's sad that lack of originality on the writer's part will destroy Trek canon just to make a blockbuster.

Originally posted by ktanner3

 

While I plan on seeing this movie, I have to disagree with the notion that 40 years of canon is a hindrence or that is somehow a good excuse to reboot. If hollywood writers had half the imagination they used to, they wouldn't be recycling old franchises and movies. Star Trek could have very easily picked up where DS9 and Voyager left off. Just put a new crew on the Enterprise-E and write something original about the state of the Federation and the galaxy. Cardassia has to rebuild, the Dominion changes with Odo linking with them, Bajor comes into the Federation, the romulans have to deal with the ramifications of "Nemesis" etc.etc. But that would be too hard. Let's just go the easy route and create an alternate timeline so we can re-write old characters. I'm glad this movie is popular, but it's sad that lack of originality on the writer's part will destroy Trek canon just to make a blockbuster.

Don't knock it until you have seen it.  The new movie shows more respect to, and appreciation for, the original series and the first 6 movies, than any of the subsequent material ever did.  The writing is incredibly talented and original, because it acknowledges what came before, and provides logical *and* emotionally satisfying reasons for why and how things are different now. 

Just in the spirit of full disclosure though: Cardassia? the Dominion?  Bajor? Who friggin' cares?  DS9 was good for a little while, but then the Ron Moore infection got in deep.  Sisko and the Prophets = snoooooooooooze.  As for Nemesis, the Nosferatu style Remans were amusing, but the writing was just bad.  Yes, by all means, let the franchise stay in a creative rut and die completely, rather than doing something new and interesting.

Did you guys actually turn up for the Star  Trek Online Dev Chat?

78 fecking people for the whole thing, if only 78 people are truly interested in STO, its not going to last very long...

Infact, Theres been fleets in Eve Online far more denser and greater, and did you hear what they are doing?

They want to make this a DM - MMO, If you die, you just respawn, its Legacy all over a fecking gain but with a new label and a fancy new coat of paint put over it, If they go ahead with what they were saying, Its going to get - Hyped to shit.

Oh and another thing a bout the Dev Chat, They didn't really reply back to Questions, it was like this :

Dev: And ofcourse, we're going to introduce *Insert something here*

Guy 1: So uhh, anyone here play Eve?

Guy 2: Oh yeah i play that, i also play WoW

Guy 1: Eww.

Guy 2: =/

Guy 3: Hey whats wrong with WoW? im Scott Malcinson.

Guy 4: For christ sake you people are hanging out with Scott Malcinson?

Guy 1/2: Nope, you are.

*Guy 1 has left the chat.*

*Guy 2 has left the chat.*

Guy 4: *Sigh*

Guy 3:Do you play Rune scape?

*Guy 4 has left the chat*

Guy 3: Awww.

Guy 5: So is there going to be Transporters?

Dev: Is anybody actually listening?

Guy 5: ...

Dev: Sweet, Beer Break.

*Dev has left the chat*

Guy 3: Do you play Habbo Hotel?

*Guy 5 slaps Guy 3.*

Guy 5: This fucking fails.

*Guy 5 has left the chat.*

Guy 3:Ow...that hurt.

Originally posted by CazNeerg

Originally posted by jmd10222

Originally posted by CazNeerg

Originally posted by Otiro

Originally posted by CazNeerg

My main thought is that it is pretty funny that the game is being set in a timeline that no longer exists.

 Actually if I remember correctly the game takes place 30 years after "Nemesis" which was the last Next Genration movie. So I would think that the time line is correct.

Voyager, and Deep Space Nine took place during the same time line as the Next Generation series. The game comes in after that.

I could be wrong though.

Possible SPOILER ALERT

 

 

 

Without giving specific plot spoilers, I think it is safe to say that as of the end of this movie, it is far more likely than not that the events depicted in Nemesis never happen. 

It is an alternate timeline/reality. They even mention this in the Movie, and JJ has also said this in interviews. So STO does not take place in this reality, but the one established by TNG...God I hate temporal mechanics, makes my head hurt.
 

But it doesn't *really* establish that the old timeline still exists, except in old Spock's memories.  The character that uses the phrase "alternate reality" isn't a temporal physicist, it is a communications specialist.  The only alternate timeline/reality that has actually been established as existing in any piece of published Star Trek entertainment is the "Dark Mirror" universe.

Also, if his timeline still existed, why wouldn't Old Spock be concentrating on finding a way back?  As for what JJ said in interviews, until he puts it in one of the movies in some definitive way, he can change his mind.  At this point there is nothing concrete to contradict the theory that Old Spock is all that is left of the Star Trek universe that was.

I have to break out the fake Vulcan ears and claim this is false.

In the ST:TNG episode Parallels, Worf bounces around through several alternate timelines. And the ST:TNG finale All Good Things... is pretty much an alternate timeline episode where everything goes back to "normal" at the end.

So there are other alternate realities. They're just not acknowledged very often.

Originally posted by themilton

I have to break out the fake Vulcan ears and claim this is false.

In the ST:TNG episode Parallels, Worf bounces around through several alternate timelines. And the ST:TNG finale All Good Things... is pretty much an alternate timeline episode where everything goes back to "normal" at the end.

So there are other alternate realities. They're just not acknowledged very often.

As far as All Good Things is concerned, it could be argued that the alternate timeline only existed until the anomaly collapsed, making it really just an event occuring within the "Prime" reality.  As far as Parallels, I have to admit I don't recall the episode, so I can't intelligently argue with your position on that one. 

There have also been episodes where the timeline was altered, and then later repaired, so it is also possible that there are alternate realities, but that each has its own timeline which can be changed.  In which case there may be an alternate reality just like the one that existed prior to the new movie, but in which Spock and Nero didn't go back in time, while that *particular* reality in which they did has in fact been changed, heh.

Originally posted by Oracun

Did you guys actually turn up for the Star  Trek Online Dev Chat?

78 fecking people for the whole thing, if only 78 people are truly interested in STO, its not going to last very long...

Infact, Theres been fleets in Eve Online far more denser and greater, and did you hear what they are doing?

They want to make this a DM - MMO, If you die, you just respawn, its Legacy all over a fecking gain but with a new label and a fancy new coat of paint put over it, If they go ahead with what they were saying, Its going to get - Hyped to shit.

Oh and another thing a bout the Dev Chat, They didn't really reply back to Questions, it was like this :

 

Dev: And ofcourse, we're going to introduce *Insert something here*

Guy 1: So uhh, anyone here play Eve?

Guy 2: Oh yeah i play that, i also play WoW

Guy 1: Eww.

Guy 2: =/

Guy 3: Hey whats wrong with WoW? im Scott Malcinson.

Guy 4: For christ sake you people are hanging out with Scott Malcinson?

Guy 1/2: Nope, you are.

*Guy 1 has left the chat.*

*Guy 2 has left the chat.*

Guy 4: *Sigh*

Guy 3:Do you play Rune scape?

*Guy 4 has left the chat*

Guy 3: Awww.

Guy 5: So is there going to be Transporters?

Dev: Is anybody actually listening?

Guy 5: ...

Dev: Sweet, Beer Break.

*Dev has left the chat*

Guy 3: Do you play Habbo Hotel?

*Guy 5 slaps Guy 3.*

Guy 5: This fucking fails.

*Guy 5 has left the chat.*

Guy 3:Ow...that hurt.

 

Are you talking abou the ING Voom chat or the chat on IRC the other day. The chat on IRC the other day was just so they would watch an episode as the same time as us.  They noted that no info would be released, just a community building thing.

About the IGN Voom chat.  Everyone was silenced except for the person who asked the questions, so what you just stated didn't happen at all.  What did thappen though is that Craig only chose questions he could give answers on.  And in those questions, they simply aren't giving out any game mechanics information yet.  Many companies do this.  That being said, there are some things announced recently that I really expect Cryptic/STO to respond to.

As for the population.  Meh, the things were announed a week in advance in relative down points during development.  That really doesn't mean much.  Just as huge turnouts wouldn't really mean much either... look at AoC and WAR.  In the end it depends on how good the game actually is.

Originally posted by admriker4

ThIs movie will literally cause a rebirth of the Trek genre.

I went to the Star Trek premiere last night at the midnight showing. My mouth dropped as I watched people walk in to sit down. dozens of teens including shockingly girls (in groups, not just some guy's date) poured in.

Finally I stood up, faced the crowd and stated "am i in the right theatre cause I see teens and girls, this cant be a Trek crowd"

I got some laughs over that.

The concessions kid said that Trek is cool now.

Personally I thought the movie was brilliant. It allows for a new rebirth of the show in a tasteful yet respectful manner. As a hardcore trekkie I fully accept and endorse this movie !

Exactly,

It was the same here in Oslo tonight. The Norwegian Trekkie club was even present lol. Was actually pretty funny.

But many young people together with their parents (who probably have seen the old series bringing their kids).

Everyone was exthatic about the movie. They loved it. And so did I. My jaw litterly dropped of the insane and very dramatic intro (won't tell details for people still going to see it).

This was one of the best Star Trek movies I have seen in a long long time.

I don't give a rats rear end about those US trekkies crying on the ST forums.

They are sad individuals who are still living in the 60's and refuse to accept the future. The NOW!

This movie did exactly what it needed to do. REVIVE the franchise and put Star Trek back on the map!

Hence, pretty lot of movie critics around the world praised this movie and gave it a high score! With here in Norway pretty much every magazine and newspaper giving it the maximum score! I haven't seen that in quite while.

This movie brought many new Star Trek fans. And that's the whole point. And the only way to keep the franchise going.

Cheers

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by admriker4

ThIs movie will literally cause a rebirth of the Trek genre.

I went to the Star Trek premiere last night at the midnight showing. My mouth dropped as I watched people walk in to sit down. dozens of teens including shockingly girls (in groups, not just some guy's date) poured in.

Finally I stood up, faced the crowd and stated "am i in the right theatre cause I see teens and girls, this cant be a Trek crowd"

I got some laughs over that.

The concessions kid said that Trek is cool now.

Personally I thought the movie was brilliant. It allows for a new rebirth of the show in a tasteful yet respectful manner. As a hardcore trekkie I fully accept and endorse this movie !

 

Exactly,

It was the same here in Oslo tonight. The Norwegian Trekkie club was even present lol. Was actually pretty funny.

But many young people together with their parents (who probably have seen the old series bringing their kids).

Everyone was exthatic about the movie. They loved it. And so did I. My jaw litterly dropped of the insane and very dramatic intro (won't tell details for people still going to see it).

This was one of the best Star Trek movies I have seen in a long long time.

I don't give a rats rear end about those US trekkies crying on the ST forums.

They are sad individuals who are still living in the 60's and refuse to accept the future. The NOW!

This movie did exactly what it needed to do. REVIVE the franchise and put Star Trek back on the map!

Hence, pretty lot of movie critics around the world praised this movie and gave it a high score! With here in Norway pretty much every magazine and newspaper giving it the maximum score! I haven't seen that in quite while.

This movie brought many new Star Trek fans. And that's the whole point. And the only way to keep the franchise going.

Cheers

Exactly, couldn't have said it better.  This is what the franchise needed and i hope they learn from it and provide us some awesome new T.V. shows and more movies!

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by admriker4

ThIs movie will literally cause a rebirth of the Trek genre.

I went to the Star Trek premiere last night at the midnight showing. My mouth dropped as I watched people walk in to sit down. dozens of teens including shockingly girls (in groups, not just some guy's date) poured in.

Finally I stood up, faced the crowd and stated "am i in the right theatre cause I see teens and girls, this cant be a Trek crowd"

I got some laughs over that.

The concessions kid said that Trek is cool now.

Personally I thought the movie was brilliant. It allows for a new rebirth of the show in a tasteful yet respectful manner. As a hardcore trekkie I fully accept and endorse this movie !

 

Exactly,

It was the same here in Oslo tonight. The Norwegian Trekkie club was even present lol. Was actually pretty funny.

But many young people together with their parents (who probably have seen the old series bringing their kids).

Everyone was exthatic about the movie. They loved it. And so did I. My jaw litterly dropped of the insane and very dramatic intro (won't tell details for people still going to see it).

This was one of the best Star Trek movies I have seen in a long long time.

I don't give a rats rear end about those US trekkies crying on the ST forums.

They are sad individuals who are still living in the 60's and refuse to accept the future. The NOW!

This movie did exactly what it needed to do. REVIVE the franchise and put Star Trek back on the map!

Hence, pretty lot of movie critics around the world praised this movie and gave it a high score! With here in Norway pretty much every magazine and newspaper giving it the maximum score! I haven't seen that in quite while.

This movie brought many new Star Trek fans. And that's the whole point. And the only way to keep the franchise going.

Cheers

the weird thing is i am one of those US fans that grew up in the 70's watching Trek reruns. I dont get what the uproar is over the movie. This movie saves our beloved franchise. It means more sequels (i hear theyre already working on another), and maybe another television show (crosses fingers).

It might mean more interest in STO also ! I struck up a few conversations last night and mentioned to check out STO.