Originally posted by javac

it cost them less than 10mill euro to make, they have 20-40K subs, let's call it 25K for the sake of argument.

 

25K * 42 euro = 1.05 mill euro, plus 275K euro / month. it's enough to break even at least.

Lets call is <9000 for accuracy sake.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by javac 

there is no chance Darkfall will be shutting down t this point. there's no sign of DF even slowing down or going anywhere but up

I'm not so sure.

They spent millions developing this game, yet have no physical distribution anywhere, and sales are limited to whenever they decide to open the store. It's impossible for any business to recoup their investments that way. They've got to be hemorrhaging cash right now, because there's no way that limited subs and such tightly controlled sales are making them any money, especially when you consider paychecks that have to be written, bills that have to be paid, overhead costs to keep the doors open, and investors that want their money repaid.

it cost them less than 10mill euro to make, they have 20-40K subs, let's call it 25K for the sake of argument.

 

25K * 42 euro = 1.05 mill euro, plus 275K euro / month. it's enough to break even at least.

Oh crap, here's javac again, spouting out the SUB numbers for darkfall.

By the way, all the money MMO companies get from subscriptions is not considered profit. For MOST mmos they require a lot of that money for maintenance and such.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by javac 

there is no chance Darkfall will be shutting down t this point. there's no sign of DF even slowing down or going anywhere but up

I'm not so sure.

They spent millions developing this game, yet have no physical distribution anywhere, and sales are limited to whenever they decide to open the store. It's impossible for any business to recoup their investments that way. They've got to be hemorrhaging cash right now, because there's no way that limited subs and such tightly controlled sales are making them any money, especially when you consider paychecks that have to be written, bills that have to be paid, overhead costs to keep the doors open, and investors that want their money repaid.

it cost them less than 10mill euro to make, they have 20-40K subs, let's call it 25K for the sake of argument.

 

25K * 42 euro = 1.05 mill euro, plus 275K euro / month. it's enough to break even at least.

You have been called out for putting out sub numbers before, that you know nothing about..
 

Just sayin..

Oh and the numbers are always diffrent.

Get a job on Seseme Street. When they introduce the number for the day you can pull it out of your ass, and all the kids will think thats the coolest thing.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by javac 

there is no chance Darkfall will be shutting down t this point. there's no sign of DF even slowing down or going anywhere but up

I'm not so sure.

They spent millions developing this game, yet have no physical distribution anywhere, and sales are limited to whenever they decide to open the store. It's impossible for any business to recoup their investments that way. They've got to be hemorrhaging cash right now, because there's no way that limited subs and such tightly controlled sales are making them any money, especially when you consider paychecks that have to be written, bills that have to be paid, overhead costs to keep the doors open, and investors that want their money repaid.

it cost them less than 10mill euro to make, they have 20-40K subs, let's call it 25K for the sake of argument.

 

25K * 42 euro = 1.05 mill euro, plus 275K euro / month. it's enough to break even at least.

Prove any of that.

You can't.  Stop making things up.

And are't you the guy that admitted to afk macroing in game?  Yes you are; that makes you more detrimental to the game then anyone of the "haters" here on this site.   
You're an admitted cheater.  Nothing you say holds any weight.

Originally posted by Ltldogg

I am enjoying this train wreck myself because I feel vindicated for my choice to wait on this game.  I was very hopeful for DF for years before release,  but very critical of Tasos' lies and deceipt.  After the final delay of the game, I posted on the official forums that I would wait 6 months before playing having made the mistake of playing previous MMOs at launch that should still be in beta.  Ironically, it seems the game won't be around at the 6 month mark and if it is, I wouldn't dare give 1 cents to this unprofessional company.

To the fans of DF, I suggest you seriously step away from the situation and ask yourself, is this the game promised AND is this the professionalism and PR you want to support.  I understand first hand that the MMO landscape is currently disappointing, but supporting crappy games just because they are different is not helping, AND in fact hurting the genre.

I envy you; I decided to give it a try after following it for years and managed to nab an account within the first few days of sales. Played it for a a little over a month in a good sized guild before I was too bored and digusted iwth it to continue on. I would try to sell my account, but it goes against my conscience in that I feel I would be ripping someone off. What's more pathetic I ask you...that I resubbed a few days before washing my hand of the game or that they are tying to pass off a very mediocre game as a premium game?

Originally posted by Ryukan

Originally posted by Ltldogg

I am enjoying this train wreck myself because I feel vindicated for my choice to wait on this game.  I was very hopeful for DF for years before release,  but very critical of Tasos' lies and deceipt.  After the final delay of the game, I posted on the official forums that I would wait 6 months before playing having made the mistake of playing previous MMOs at launch that should still be in beta.  Ironically, it seems the game won't be around at the 6 month mark and if it is, I wouldn't dare give 1 cents to this unprofessional company.

To the fans of DF, I suggest you seriously step away from the situation and ask yourself, is this the game promised AND is this the professionalism and PR you want to support.  I understand first hand that the MMO landscape is currently disappointing, but supporting crappy games just because they are different is not helping, AND in fact hurting the genre.

 

I envy you; I decided to give it a try after following it for years and managed to nab an account within the first few days of sales. Played it for a a little over a month in a good sized guild before I was too bored and digusted iwth it to continue on. I would try to sell my account, but it goes against my conscience in that I feel I would be ripping someone off. What's more pathetic I ask you...that I resubbed a few days before washing my hand of the game or that they are tying to pass off a very mediocre game as a premium game?

My advice to you would be to look close to where you live for an elementary or middle school. Observe the kids and look for the loudest socially unacceptable bully. Maybe you catch him vandalizing something. If you can catch him in the act of doing something bad, pull him aside and tell him you will either sell him your darkfail acct, or tell his parents.
 

That way you won't feel bad.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Ryukan

Originally posted by Ltldogg

I am enjoying this train wreck myself because I feel vindicated for my choice to wait on this game.  I was very hopeful for DF for years before release,  but very critical of Tasos' lies and deceipt.  After the final delay of the game, I posted on the official forums that I would wait 6 months before playing having made the mistake of playing previous MMOs at launch that should still be in beta.  Ironically, it seems the game won't be around at the 6 month mark and if it is, I wouldn't dare give 1 cents to this unprofessional company.

To the fans of DF, I suggest you seriously step away from the situation and ask yourself, is this the game promised AND is this the professionalism and PR you want to support.  I understand first hand that the MMO landscape is currently disappointing, but supporting crappy games just because they are different is not helping, AND in fact hurting the genre.

 

I envy you; I decided to give it a try after following it for years and managed to nab an account within the first few days of sales. Played it for a a little over a month in a good sized guild before I was too bored and digusted iwth it to continue on. I would try to sell my account, but it goes against my conscience in that I feel I would be ripping someone off. What's more pathetic I ask you...that I resubbed a few days before washing my hand of the game or that they are tying to pass off a very mediocre game as a premium game?

My advice to you would be to look close to where you live for an elementary or middle school. Observe the kids and look for the loudest socially unacceptable bully. Maybe you catch him vandalizing something. If you can catch him in the act of doing something bad, pull him aside and tell him you will either sell him your darkfail acct, or tell his parents.
 

That way you won't feel bad.

LMAO! Thank you for my second genuine out loud laugh of the day!

It is really ironic. If Tasos and co had not spend so much time on this. A lot less poeple would have known about this review and website. Beside that, most poeple do not judge a game on only one review as most poeple know that it is a one mans opinion. It is also logical that they support the writer. Who would you prefer to trust? A person you work with for a while or a  person from an indi company protecting his game?

All of this reminds me of an old expression.

"Cutting off the nose to spite the face."

Originally posted by DarkPony

*ponders*

The more I think about Tasos' latest lengthy contribution the more I get this creepy feeling that he is trying to put the blame for something else somewhere where it doesn't belong.

I do believe that the review was conducted badly and its conclusions ARE unfair, but the way T reacts now suggests there is a much deeper problem AV is facing at this moment. He really shouldn't have to overshoot like that.

Just keep it simple and stick to the facts and (most of) the crowd would have continued cheering. The whole "murdered innocence" role with doom prophecies about how his game is suffering over this is a little suspicious. I do hope for the players AV isn't pulling the plug in the near future and try to put the blame for their own shortcomings on an obviously weak excuse for a review to save what little is left of their credibility.

/tinfoil hat off

I wonder this too. Why through a public temper tantrum if you are not even going to allow a second review? Could it be he knows the game will have to shut down soon and is already laying the groundwork for an excuse to deflect the blame (it wasn't the game it was the naughty reviewers and haters that killed it)? Kinda reminds of another developer that oversaw a train wreck of a project.... Dark and Light anybody?

Probably just being a conspiracy nut, but for all of oyu that love this game, I pray it doesn't end up being another Dark and Light...

Kieran already stated he would have barely given DF a 4/10 using Eurogamers rating system. That is why Tasos decided against using him.

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Kieran already stated he would have barely given DF a 4/10 using Eurogamers rating system. That is why Tasos decided against using him.

Hrm?  Was this publicized somewhere, I can't imagine someone saying this in his position.

Originally posted by Adigiron

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Kieran already stated he would have barely given DF a 4/10 using Eurogamers rating system. That is why Tasos decided against using him.

 

Hrm?  Was this publicized somewhere, I can't imagine someone saying this in his position.

yes it was.

Tragicly, I'm too lazy to go back and find tis link..its in one of these threads though.

Originally posted by Adigiron

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Kieran already stated he would have barely given DF a 4/10 using Eurogamers rating system. That is why Tasos decided against using him.

 

Hrm?  Was this publicized somewhere, I can't imagine someone saying this in his position.

It's in one of these "eurogamer" threads. Link and all. I'm trying to hunt it down now.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Adigiron

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Kieran already stated he would have barely given DF a 4/10 using Eurogamers rating system. That is why Tasos decided against using him.

 

Hrm?  Was this publicized somewhere, I can't imagine someone saying this in his position.

 

yes it was.

Tragicly, I'm too lazy to go back and find tis link..its in one of these threads though.

fair enough, I'll dig through the crap.

 

• It’s not helpful to us, this is not some grand gesture on Eurogamer’s part and it doesn’t do us justice. Eurogamer is running the re-review for their own sake, again at our expense. We’re not going to sit here looking at their bogus review while we wait for their next verdict in about a month. We won’t play that game. It’s pointless. If Kieron gives us a good review, a bad one, or an average one, the perception will be that he’s simply mopping up. Eurogamer will not take down the original review even if the new one overturns it.

• It’s a conflict of interest any way you want to look at it. Eurogamer is paying another writer according to Eurogamer’s editor to “…see whether he agrees with Ed or not”. Ed is a fraud, there’s nothing to agree with here as far as we’re concerned.

 

Holy jeebus!  I agree with Tasos!  The highlighted text is why he shouldn't consider another eurogamer review.

Now maybe tasos realizes he should've kept his mouth shut.  He could've avoided all the fallout from the review and take it on the chin as he has decided to do suddenly.

Whenever DF receives a bad review in the future everyone will compare it to Eds and remember tasos's big mouth so it will be a long time if ever when people forget this incident thanks to tasos.

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Adigiron

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Kieran already stated he would have barely given DF a 4/10 using Eurogamers rating system. That is why Tasos decided against using him.

 

Hrm?  Was this publicized somewhere, I can't imagine someone saying this in his position.

 

It's in one of these "eurogamer" threads. Link and all. I'm trying to hunt it down now.

Please do find it.

I had a feeling that Tasos must have realized that, after talking to Kieron, that he wasn't going to get any better of a review and is trying to spin it to look like he's trying to be the bigger man.

He wouldn't mind if he did the review for another site because it's likely that no other site requested a copy of the game for review, and Av hasn't given any other site a copy.

Hence the uproar by Tasos over this ONE review, because as far as he's aware its the ONLY review that anyone will see for a length of time.

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Adigiron

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Kieran already stated he would have barely given DF a 4/10 using Eurogamers rating system. That is why Tasos decided against using him.

 

Hrm?  Was this publicized somewhere, I can't imagine someone saying this in his position.

 

It's in one of these "eurogamer" threads. Link and all. I'm trying to hunt it down now.

 

Please do find it.

I had a feeling that Tasos must have realized that, after talking to Kieron, that he wasn't going to get any better of a review and is trying to spin it to look like he's trying to be the bigger man.

He wouldn't mind if he did the review for another site because it's likely that no other site requested a copy of the game for review, and Av hasn't given any other site a copy.

Hence the uproar by Tasos over this ONE review, because as far as he's aware its the ONLY review that anyone will see for a length of time.

I'm looking, I'm looking. If this site had a search feature worth a shit, i'd have it already.

Also, as i'm sure you know, this is not my regular account, so I'll probably be re-banned here shortly, so any help digging through the 50 damn eurogamer threads would be appreciated.

Originally posted by javac 

it cost them less than 10mill euro to make, they have 20-40K subs, let's call it 25K for the sake of argument.

 25K * 42 euro = 1.05 mill euro, plus 275K euro / month. it's enough to break even at least.

Not necessarily.

1.05 million Euro - income taxes - overhead costs - paychecks for the entire AV staff - payments to investors/banks (plus interest) - whatever other expenses I'm missing = a lot less than 1.05 million Euro

Also, that 275k a month? Same thing. Expenses and taxes have to be paid first. Anything that is left is profit. There's no way to know they're breaking even just by using assumptions like this.

Well, guess I was mistaken. it was Keen from Keen and Graev, not Kieron. Unless there's a post here I've missed.

"I do think that 2/10 is unfair based on Eurogamer’s scale. I would have given it a 4/10 after reading the explanation of how they rate games." - Keen

http://www.keenandgraev.com/