Darkfall is supposed to be a sand box game. it is not . Instead, what they put out is a litter box game. This is evident by the turds in it. And I warn you guys a cat might bury you alive!

It is also run like a litter box. Tasos comes in with the giant scoop and sifts out all of the really stinky turds when they ask questions about when a specific improvement may be made, or when they are caught cheating.

And they are so far behind in terms of graphics and game play, it's not even Fresh step quality.

This is undisputable..

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

you're wasting your time OP. This place is a fucking sewer thanks to the mods allowing trolls to run rampant, derail EVERY thread that is posted here, and generally coat every attempted discussion is a thick slime of regurgitated shit.

This has been getting progressively worse over the last couple years, and trying to argue with these treasured members of the community here will only lead to YOU getting banned for some bogus reason.

It is sad, since people come to this site to read about games before trying them, and due to the fact that almost every game's forum on this site is full of these cretins, it pretty much speaks ill for the future of the industry.

You and your ilk are the trolls young man. And games like Darkfall and others speak ill of the future of the industry..... not opinions on a forum..

This is undisputable.

The OP makes a bad mistake, I don't hate a game.  A game is just a toy, even if i make a mistake of buying a toy which I later feel not worth the money I do not need to hate it, just leave it alone or throw it away.

DF is at best a game, at worst nothing.  I won't need to waste a moment of my emotion on it, unless it attracts me to play it.  As it stands, you need to pay me twice my current fat salary to have me log on.  Even then, I might not.

DF is a good source of fun, to talk about as a soap opera, except that it is happening on earth.  After this fiasco over EG, AV is now a good source of laugh.  I begin to wonder, what kind of mentality DF player has.

To declare war against some reviewer, ok that is absurd.  To declare war inside the game?  What will that do?  Why don't the DF community declare war against famine, hunger, poverty, illiteracy .... inside the game?  Now I begin to understand.  All the DF community have left in life is DF.  They do everything thru DF.  They go banking, paying utility bill, eat, pee, shit and .... what else? thru DF.

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

 What's so wrong with Darkfall that makes you come and insult/degrade the game? I want to understand the reasons why there's so many haters when the game is not so bad IMO. I've played it for 1.5 months so far and I still have the same excitement that I had when I started.

I have stayed pretty much indifferent and not going to give Darkfall a chance, but I'll explain why for the OP's benefit.

1. If a game is for sale then put it up for sale. If you cannot support selling the game to someone when they want to buy it then you need to work on your infrastucture ASAP.

2. If a game is out of beta then at least update you webpage. If you are not going to let the world know the stage of development (or just don't care) then why should I care if it is released?

3. Before I purchase something I need faith in the developer/publisher. My interactions with everyone releated to DF have not given me any confidence in them. NOTE: I buy independant released games frequently and that includes companies who have folded shortly after release. I can say I have had confidence in the developer or every game I have purchased including those developers who didn't survive. I cannot say that about DF.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

you're wasting your time OP. This place is a fucking sewer thanks to the mods allowing trolls to run rampant, derail EVERY thread that is posted here, and generally coat every attempted discussion is a thick slime of regurgitated shit.

This has been getting progressively worse over the last couple years, and trying to argue with these treasured members of the community here will only lead to YOU getting banned for some bogus reason.

It is sad, since people come to this site to read about games before trying them, and due to the fact that almost every game's forum on this site is full of these cretins, it pretty much speaks ill for the future of the industry.

You and your ilk are the trolls young man. And games like Darkfall and others speak ill of the future of the industry..... not opinions on a forum..

This is undisputable.

 

wow, shit...it's been at LEAST 20 years since anyone's called me "young man"....the grey hairs usually stope them these days. Thanks for that.

But you seem to be confused....see, I'm what's called a "fan" of the game. I play it, you see....this forum here, "Darkfall discussion" is for people like me.

Unfortunately, people like me cannot actually USE this forum....we are not allowed to discuss the game, because of these people:

And this is why this site is generally laughed at and thought to be a pile of by most of the gaming community.

Eventually the  will be all that's left here, and they can all insult each other and enjoy a huge e-peen stroke together when someone finally pushes the handle and it all goes down the drain.

Ok but yet you remain on this site, while its laughed at as crap.

You remain on this site, while you fans have your own site where no one be anything less than an AV sycophant without getting banned.  So you could have the same e-peen circle jerk there, yet you guys continuously come here.

The only reason you feel you cant  use this forum is because people with common sense outnumber you.

This is undisputable.

Originally posted by Vyava

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

 What's so wrong with Darkfall that makes you come and insult/degrade the game? I want to understand the reasons why there's so many haters when the game is not so bad IMO. I've played it for 1.5 months so far and I still have the same excitement that I had when I started.

 

I have stayed pretty much indifferent and not going to give Darkfall a chance, but I'll explain why for the OP's benefit.

1. If a game is for sale then put it up for sale. If you cannot support selling the game to someone when they want to buy it then you need to work on your infrastucture ASAP.

2. If a game is out of beta then at least update you webpage. If you are not going to let the world know the stage of development (or just don't care) then why should I care if it is released?

3. Before I purchase something I need faith in the developer/publisher. My interactions with everyone releated to DF have not given me any confidence in them. NOTE: I buy independant released games frequently and that includes companies who have folded shortly after release. I can say I have had confidence in the developer or every game I have purchased including those developers who didn't survive. I cannot say that about DF.

Out of beta? ...My man they are in alpha still

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

you're wasting your time OP. This place is a fucking sewer thanks to the mods allowing trolls to run rampant, derail EVERY thread that is posted here, and generally coat every attempted discussion is a thick slime of regurgitated shit.

This has been getting progressively worse over the last couple years, and trying to argue with these treasured members of the community here will only lead to YOU getting banned for some bogus reason.

It is sad, since people come to this site to read about games before trying them, and due to the fact that almost every game's forum on this site is full of these cretins, it pretty much speaks ill for the future of the industry.

You and your ilk are the trolls young man. And games like Darkfall and others speak ill of the future of the industry..... not opinions on a forum..

This is undisputable.

 

wow, shit...it's been at LEAST 20 years since anyone's called me "young man"....the grey hairs usually stope them these days. Thanks for that.

But you seem to be confused....see, I'm what's called a "fan" of the game. I play it, you see....this forum here, "Darkfall discussion" is for people like me.

Unfortunately, people like me cannot actually USE this forum....we are not allowed to discuss the game, because of these people:

And this is why this site is generally laughed at and thought to be a pile of by most of the gaming community.

Eventually the  will be all that's left here, and they can all insult each other and enjoy a huge e-peen stroke together when someone finally pushes the handle and it all goes down the drain.

 

Ok but yet you remain on this site, while its laughed at as crap.

You remain on this site, while you fans have your own site where no one be anything less than an AV sycophant without getting banned.  So you could have the same e-peen circle jerk there, yet you guys continuously come here.

The only reason you feel you cant  use this forum is because people with common sense outnumber you.

 

This is undisputable.

The part a lot of players get confused about is that this site... mmorpg.com 

Is NOT an official site for any one game. 

The sub-forums (of which this is one) are for the discussion of ALL things related to that particular game.

The mods do their best to enforce the rules as put forth in the Rules of Conduct to which each poster must agree when they join.

Do they make mistakes... probably.

Is this site perfect... definitely not.

Is it anti-DarkFall... heh... not by a long-shot.

In fact this site... mmorpg.com has more pro-DarkFall articles and postings than any other non-fan run site on the internet.

I challenge anyone to find another non-fan site that has more Articles and Features and postive postings about DarkFall. 

Seriously, if you are man enough to make the claim that this site... mmorpg.com is so Troll infested, and considered to be a pile of crap by the gaming community... then put your money where your mouth is.

Show another non-fan site that has more pro-DarkFall Articles and Features. 

I'll wait.   

For better or worse, a MMORPG and the company who makes it are linked.   Running a MMORPG is an ongoing service and a company providing that service is judged on how they act as a business.  

 Aventurine and Tasos represent the kind of practices that I do not want to see spread among MMORPG developers.   The latest absurb reaction to a poor review of their game is just the latest in a litany of unprofessionalism and shoddy treatment of the community.     We don't need more companies like AV and we certainly don't need more developers like Tasos.  

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

...

 We don't need more companies like AV and we certainly don't need more developers like Tasos.  

I'll agree to that! 

It's a shame that DarkFall was handled by such incompetents... it would have been interesting to see the results in the hands of... well pretty much anyone else. 

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

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 We don't need more companies like AV and we certainly don't need more developers like Tasos.  

 

I'll agree to that! 

 

It's a shame that DarkFall was handled by such incompetents... it would have been interesting to see the results in the hands of... well pretty much anyone else. 

If I have a say, I would never want Bush as president, or even as a human.  Nor the New Century America guys to be ever born.

But that is not for me to say.

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

 What's so wrong with Darkfall that makes you come and insult/degrade the game? I want to understand the reasons why there's so many haters when the game is not so bad IMO. I've played it for 1.5 months so far and I still have the same excitement that I had when I started.

Nothing!

We are calling it as we see it. Darkfall is an unfinished product with an extremely silent Development team, that will not dicuss the issues plagueing this game. We have no vested interest in this game and after playing it, agreed with the vast majority of the beta testers and others who quit.

Darkfall is a flop and not a good game. If you consider that an insult, then you must stand back and personally check yourself. Because we are unanomously agree that Darkfall is indeed a royal flop and has very little life left. If you don't care and are having fun, then don't take it personally.

If you are enjoying the game, but cannot grasp why people don't like the game and cite reasons why the game is going to flop. Then, you are dilusional or just don't understand the underlying business model of how MMORPG work.

Your excitment is other people jokes, because it obvious you never play CounterStrike or spent countless (mindless) hours on Knife fight servers... just mauling others as an escape from regular play. So, when you started playing Darkfall, the combat was new and exciting for you. For the majority (no matter what the take on it) was nothing other than glorified FPS knife fighting.

Here:   YouTube  (now imagine 32 vs 32)

Some impromptu knife fights that kick up all the time...  HERE

That basically is the sub-set of almost everything (combat wise) in Darkfall. Specially when ranged combat in DFO is so ill thought out and rediculious.

If you have never played 8 hourson a Knife fight server, then of coarse you going to think Darkfall's the cat's ass. To the rest of us, it's ho-hum, been there done that, next? It's like Tasos never knew about knife fighting and though his sh!t was revolutionary...  shows you how Stupid Tasos is.

Actually I think I will have more fun playing street fighter than DF.

At least I can choose between ken or ryu or chunli, at least I have a few specials to choose from.  At least each special has its special effects that can counter another player's move.  At least ... its playable., its 1v1 fair fight, in which skills really counts, no hacking, no server crash, no monthly sub, no obnoxious leet talk, no gankers, no macroing ... no, you finish the list.

In DF, as far as I can see, everyone just chase each other and spam LMB, and zerg.  When there is no one to zerg against, DF players macro afk and patrol message boards here to prevent anyone telling the truth about emperor's new cloth.

Fanboys and trolls are the two sides of the same coin, that was said here thousand times, in the truckload of similar "why hate" threads.

And I thought 500 topics over a bag of tripe review was enough.

Hello Everybody,
 
Please do not let this thread deteriorate into a flame war of monkeys throwing poop full of abuse at each other. Keep it on topic as much as possible.

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

Originally posted by mklinic

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

 What's so wrong with Darkfall that makes you come and insult/degrade the game? I want to understand the reasons why there's so many haters when the game is not so bad IMO. I've played it for 1.5 months so far and I still have the same excitement that I had when I started.

 

The problem is, this thread won't be an attempt to understand no matter how well intentioned it started. It will devolve into an argument about why sceptics are wrong. Perhaps that is part of the greater issue.

 

Then let's try to stop this from being a war between fanboys and trollers.

Then you need to get a clue and rephrase the question. Its almost as if you wish people to come to confession. Seriously...most of the people whom are critical of DF do so on the merits, or lack thereof, of the game. Frankly ive concluded many people who post here with these types of threads are either well intentioned, or simply trying to start a flame war.
 

I will be as polite as possible, get rid of the "hater" phrase, and ask again.  As a aside I do conceed there are some folks who have played the game and think its dreck...others call it the second coming of baby jeebuz...thats what there forums are for, to discuss these games, but when you begin to qualify a group here by your own tinted lenses you lost, before you even began. Try again.....

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

Then let's try to stop this from being a war between fanboys and trollers.

Just phrasing the question the way you did suggests you want a war or you're not able to reason. The whole passive/aggressive thing is so passé.

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

So it's like telling someone that they just inherited $1,000,000 then later on telling them that it was actually $100,000. The $100,000 is still great, as in Darkfall people are mad because they were promised lots of features but only some of them. Those features that weren't implemented still did not kill DF anyways, the features already in game are good enough.

They are good enough to you but not to some of us.  I was personally looking forward to some of these "fluff" features to break out of PvP mode.  I know that this can still be done if DF but all the current extras seem to be tacked on much like how a lot of PvE games tack on PvP. I wanted the changing weather, player housing, roaming mobs, revolutionary crafting, etc... I wanted more tools to forge my own story and role in the DF world.  Sadly Aventurine dropped all of that to focus on the PvP which is not necessarily a bad thing but it lost the things that were attracting me to it the most.  

I had a feeling the PvP was going to be pretty good and it seems that it is but I wanted more than that.  Dangit I want all of those features that were promised! I'm sure that most would agree that all those features combined is the gamer's holy grail.

Also I think that Aventurine needs to work on their professionalism.  They have gotten better since their limited release but they still have a ways to go imo.  Prime example is Tasos's latest nerd rage towards the eurogamer's review.  Yes the review was horrible and DF does deserve more than a 2/10 but Tasos handled it all wrong imo.  Instead of pointing out some of the more false statements to eurogamer, he just outright called foul and wanted it all taken down and then started an argument about the amount of hours the reviewer played.  Granted Aventurine has the logs but now he has to go through extra trouble to get the logs to them.  All of that because of a 2/10 from 1 site?  Say your peace, go on and let the game speak for its self.  Honestly though did he think that darkfall was going to get nothing but glowing reviews?

You got to learn how to shake those haters off because they will always be around.

Anyhow I have put in 2 cents. I don't hate the game or Aventurine but I don't love them either. I guess I'm indifferent. 

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

Originally posted by oddjobs74

 

They already banned 213 peope for cheating,  and Im sure macroing falls in that category, if you, the 6 remaining players keep of with that, you are gonna be a lot easier to catch now...

 

You obviously don't know the rules. Exploiting and hacking do not = macros. You get banned after multiple warnings for macroing while hacking gets you banned right away.

Well it nice to know the "exciting and dynamic" [paraphase] crafting system/ combat is so exciting that :

One: No one wants to automate...

Two: Is too complex to automate easily....

The hours spent in the X years developerment have really paid of. Its not a simply click and do system is it ? Not like WoW .. but revolutionary !

/sarcasm

See this is why we hate this company and its idiot lead developer. It has brought out everything *bad* in a game and release. All your fanboys do is deny everything and leave salient points to dissapear over the page. As I have said before you have reached a new low for accepting a game and transparency of its developers.  DF has everything. Hacks, triple billing, added unwanted features (e.g. towers), lack of citied features,  old website, poor forum community, dumbed down gameplay, grinding... (oh yes), financial problems, server problems, ambigous communication *... this list is endless. This does not  bodes well for  a meaningful and more true sandbox style game.

* Well unless some random site i says something bad (I know gasp) about DF and then Lord Tasos is in his batmobile. Talk about waste of energy.

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

 What's so wrong with Darkfall that makes you come and insult/degrade the game? I want to understand the reasons why there's so many haters when the game is not so bad IMO. I've played it for 1.5 months so far and I still have the same excitement that I had when I started.

Could it be so simple that we think the game is actually so bad as we say it is? Could it be that we are severly dissapointed, after waiting for years for an FFA PvP game, to get this outdated, buggy pile of crap?

I dont know, what do you think?

naw, much easier to say that we are lunatic gamers out to destroy a companies game as we had any invested interest in doing so.

Originally posted by bustaj

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

So it's like telling someone that they just inherited $1,000,000 then later on telling them that it was actually $100,000. The $100,000 is still great, as in Darkfall people are mad because they were promised lots of features but only some of them. Those features that weren't implemented still did not kill DF anyways, the features already in game are good enough.

They are good enough to you but not to some of us.  I was personally looking forward to some of these "fluff" features to break out of PvP mode.  I know that this can still be done if DF but all the current extras seem to be tacked on much like how a lot of PvE games tack on PvP. I wanted the changing weather, player housing, roaming mobs, revolutionary crafting, etc... I wanted more tools to forge my own story and role in the DF world.  Sadly Aventurine dropped all of that to focus on the PvP which is not necessarily a bad thing but it lost the things that were attracting me to it the most.  

I had a feeling the PvP was going to be pretty good and it seems that it is but I wanted more than that.  Dangit I want all of those features that were promised! I'm sure that most would agree that all those features combined is the gamer's holy grail.

Also I think that Aventurine needs to work on their professionalism.  They have gotten better since their limited release but they still have a ways to go imo.  Prime example is Tasos's latest nerd rage towards the eurogamer's review.  Yes the review was horrible and DF does deserve more than a 2/10 but Tasos handled it all wrong imo.  Instead of pointing out some of the more false statements to eurogamer, he just outright called foul and wanted it all taken down and then started an argument about the amount of hours the reviewer played.  Granted Aventurine has the logs but now he has to go through extra trouble to get the logs to them.  All of that because of a 2/10 from 1 site?  Say your peace, go on and let the game speak for its self.  Honestly though did he think that darkfall was going to get nothing but glowing reviews?

You got to learn how to shake those haters off because they will always be around.

Anyhow I have put in 2 cents. I don't hate the game or Aventurine but I don't love them either. I guess I'm indifferent. 

 

 

um, i can't say that the pvp is good in darkfall.

it's pretty shyte, tbqfh.

seriously... it took 8 years to come up with this crap?   i mean, i have fun playing random f2p games with friends.  the combat in most all of those games, is leaps and bounds better than this crap in darkfall.

without all the cut features (still up on the webpage btw); this game is just a really bad fps game with shitty animations and graphics.

what's to love?   i'll hang out until my friends realize that it's not going to get better in the fashion they're hoping.