OP - Clearly you CAN afford it, you just choose to spend your money on other things.  Lucky for you most of the MMO's that have subscriptions are played at this point, so play a F2P and wait for something good to come out.  When it does.....drink 1 less beer a week and there you have it.  Seems pretty simple to me.

I can't afford that much, and never really have been able too, but now i'm saving up for university etc., so i have no chance.

the OP is suffering from what americans are just findind themselves all caught up in, living beyond your means, simply put when you spend all your money or even more money then you make via credit and whatnot and you dont put anything into savings you cant afford to live the way youre living and eventually splat, down ya go.  so ya if you arent putting extra money away every pay period you indeed can not afford mmo subs, you prolly cant afford your internet connection either, or your cable tv.  suck it up and budget better mate.

I think the better question is, "Why would anyone pay $15 a month to play the crap that passes as an MMO these days?"

I think that very soon we are going to see a huge amount of growth in the F2P genre.

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

My point is that $15 is like around £10 or whateveer the economy is now and that buys me 3 beers or food for a few days or a tank of petrol on my motorbike.

You know, for a month's worth of gameplay - I think I could not eat for one day, three times a month (seperate those days, obviously) or maybe not drink ONE night out of the week.  I mean, come on dude - you don't HAVE to get laid every night.

meh i wish mmo would cost 2-3 beers for me.. i can easily get 10 of best bear avaible.. probably 20 of mediacore..for those 15 euros.. if im saving i can eat for 2 weeks.. currency exchange rates are shit..

and no i cant afford mmo atm.. since i lost my job.. while ago.. it went bankrupt.. and even before loosing id idnt get paid few months.. while i will get most of that cash back .. this summer hopefully.. now i cant find job.. and those 15 euros/bucks is really big money here..

if 2-3 beers, was all it took for me to play mmo.. i would be playing 5 of them at a time.. cuz its what it cost atm with my currency exchange rates..

try imagine if those 15 euros would be 50 for you..

and no we dont earn 5x more than you do.. to justify exchange rates.. we earn almost same in numbers.. and our avarege is 2x less than us avarage.. just that currency rate its 2.5 or what for dollars now.. that makes it even worse :(

euros is like 3. i think and quids 4.5 or so..

Originally posted by cfurlin

I think the better question is, "Why would anyone pay $15 a month to play the crap that passes as an MMO these days?"

I think that very soon we are going to see a huge amount of growth in the F2P genre.

Welcome to 2007.

@ OP, I suggest making the sperm bank a habitual stomping ground each month or whoring yourself off to old ladies and/or gentlemen.  It's okay mate....just dont let them see you cry.

I"m the kind of player that kept subscribed to LotRo for months to encourage Turbine even if I had no free time to play.

As a person who lost his job 8 months ago, with a wife back at the university full time,  not working either, and a 2 years old young daughter to take care:

• I'm not subscribing to any MMO anymore.
• I don't have cable TV, nor a flat TV... yet ;)
• Our luxury is keeping our DSL access to internet.

If I really wanted it I could afford to pay a monthly subscription but as I play with my wife I think twice before spending 20-30 bucks.

As the OP clearly stated, for most of us it's a matter of choices and going from $15 to $9 a a month does not makes such a difference.

The people to whom $15 a month makes a difference aren't really concerned with MMO and monthly fees, their focus is more about eating, paying the bills and the price of the gaz.

So if you can't afford $15 a month anymore my guess is the price of monthly fees is your last concern, really.

So please by respect to these people stop crying and stand up like they do.

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by cfurlin

I think the better question is, "Why would anyone pay $15 a month to play the crap that passes as an MMO these days?"

I think that very soon we are going to see a huge amount of growth in the F2P genre.

 

Welcome to 2007.

Hmmm, I guess I must have missed the ground-breaking influx of gamers into the F2P market in 2007...

You know, those HUGELY popular games in 2007 like Dungeon Runners, Cabal, Sword of the New World, Regnum. Yeah, those created a huge amount of growth for F2P games.

Originally posted by cfurlin

I think the better question is, "Why would anyone pay $15 a month to play the crap that passes as an MMO these days?"

I think that very soon we are going to see a huge amount of growth in the F2P genre.

Why would anyone play the crap that passes for an MMO regardless?  Unless you're having fun, why do it at all, paying or free?  Having an explosion of crappy F2P games is no better than having a ton of crappy P2P games, is it?

Originally posted by KoroGor

Originally posted by kwosh

These threads really crack me up... your online (pays for this) you have a pc (pays for this)  you probably watch tv (pays for this)    make a choice... get rid of cable , play games... or play a free mmo theres many out there that are fairly good..    fixed income??  i really think you shouldnt have this as your hobby...  If I couldnt afford  15 dollars a month.. i shouldnt even be on the net... there are other things more important...

 

Lol i guess i forgot to say that my car payment is for a car and driver(reason being i live far from family)there for i need the net to do certain things and my phone company and i use this term loosly for some reason won't allow you to use ike aol(yes i know it's hard to stop me well until they cancle my service) and their dial up is $50 a month as where my wireless broad band is 20 bucks cheaper and is faster than T1 but when i have to pay bills and order my food delivery for the month it's pays to have it done faster and not tie up the phone lines. now im not getting mad at anyone but i don't have cable or even satalite tv so im pretty much spend all of my time on the computer playing free mmo's or reading books. If that makes it silly not to be able to play an mmo thats pay then i would hate to see a justified reason. so i mean think about what you say im not trying to call anyone idiots here. And to tell the truth Kwosh if it seems i singled you out well i didn't i just used yours for the fact that you said fixed income my father is a disabled veteran so he gets 3 types of fixed income as where i qualify only for one it's kinda hard to do things you really enjoy with out the money.

I guess I came across mean... but my intent was not so.. I guess I was being sarcastic in a sense... I mean that if this type of entertainment is too expensive and you still wish to do this type of entertainment than there can be cuts of some sort someplace.. be it sell things on e-bay, craigslist  etc.. if we have time to be on  the internet then some how we can make money at it or cut some avenue out of our lives  to have this hobby..   dont drink a soda or 2 a week and im sure that we ALL can afford even the free games on the internet..  and there are many  even good ones to choose from.. heck   you could even try out all the free weeks of games they are advertising to get people back into their games   anyway  its suggestions    cya Kwosh
 

simple fix here guys. Cancel the Cable Tv, Satellite and Land line (phone). get the best internet connection for around 40-50$

use the net to watch all your shows (free or subscribe to a movie/Cable site for 10$)

Register with Skype +- 10$ a month. (less than 500 calls) <2.5min per

Total= 70$ a month for TV, I-net and Phone.

Cost list. (all are internet researched average's)

Cable TV 40-100$ ~ = 71$ a month

Satellite 49-80$      ~= 74$ a month

Phone(land line)    ~=29$ a month

Total bill = $174

Savings useing internet for all above.....104$.   With that savings of 104 a month I bought a cell phone contract paying out and still have enough money for my needs.

you just have to be creative people lol

Originally posted by Soulreaverrr

simple fix here guys. Cancel the Cable Tv, Satellite and Land line (phone). get the best internet connection for around 40-50$

use the net to watch all your shows (free or subscribe to a movie/Cable site for 10$)

Register with Skype +- 10$ a month. (less than 500 calls) <2.5min per

Total= 70$ a month for TV, I-net and Phone.

 

Cost list. (all are internet researched average's)

Cable TV 40-100$ ~ = 71$ a month

Satellite 49-80$      ~= 74$ a month

Phone(land line)    ~=29$ a month

Total bill = $174

 

Savings useing internet for all above.....104$.   With that savings of 104 a month I bought a cell phone contract paying out and still have enough money for my needs.

 

you just have to be creative people lol

thats just stupid

1 - you cant watch tv and play a game at the same time, i could if i had cable,

2 - watching tv online is illegal you are a criminial not many ppl want too be criminals

3 - if your pc breaks you loose your phone, tv and pc at the same time

4- it costs me £10 for a new phone headset whilst it costs you at least £500 for a good pc

5 - many companies (rent, hospitals etc) dont ask for a skype number nor will they call it making skype obsolete..

you want the most simplist solution too your gaming costs problems.

a bottle of 500ml coke costs around £1 here in the uk.....i am certain i drink at least 1 a day, thats £30 a month (at least) quit drinking coke and eating too lots of crap and you will have enough money

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

I have costs like going out on the weekend and buying beer which is a social must here in the UK cause if you don't drink then you ain't getting laid and you wont be having fun as alcohol is out culture here.

Wow...

For all the yanks on the board: Not all us brits are like this, honest.

Do like me.

First of all buy the game and then use the 30 days. I bought Vanguard and love the (damn) game and wanted more after my 30 days of good ol fun. But Im a bit cheap and dose like to spend as little cash as possible on the things I want. So insteed of pay the sub I buy the game copy once again (still vanguard folks) for 2£ and use the free 30 days I get on my existing account. Easy as pie. I win a few bucks and the company gets another copy sold (a win for them probably).

...Damn what a cheap goat Im now that I think about it. My last vaccation was built around some cheap fly tickets to far asia that I bought from an auction site....What floats my boat :) 

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

...going out on the weekend and buying beer...

...I have a room mate and we split the bills...

...I buy games and I just bought a new motorbike...

...that buys me 3 beers...

Have a few kids and become the sole supporter for your family, then come talk to me.  Until then you just sound like a whiney teenager complaining that his allowance isn't enough to pay for his MMO subscription.

Let me know when you have REAL problems to take care of like choosing between paying your water or gas bill.  Or figuring out how many cans of soup you'll need to feed your family for the next week until you get paid again.

My point is there are more important things to worry about!  Obviously MMO games are not your main hobby.  Sounds like drinking is.  So what's the big deal if you can't afford something you don't really want to do that much anyway?

I'm laughing at the fact the OP as a young guy in his  early 20s needs 3000 pounds/mo simply to "get by." That's nearly $4500 for your roomate and you - more than enough money to cover an apartment, utilities, etc.  Dude, I live in Seattle (pretty high COL for US) and my wife and I have lower fixed monthly expenses than you do. Either come to grips with the fact that MMOGs aren't your thing, or take a budgeting class. I guarantee that you could cut out a lot of your nightclubbing expenses and still have fun on the weekends.

PS - as a guy who was well on his way to having a drinking problem at 22, I'd say you should take a hard look at how much you drink and why you drink. There are a few red flags in your post, including feeling the need to drink to fit in, thinking it'sa rip-roaring good time to vandalize somebody's mailbox while drunk, and thinking that alcohol really improves your life.

you have a car and a motorbike and you go out drinking every night, and yet you still whine about 15$ a month?? take a step back and look at what you're saying... tool -_-

don't judge the uk based on this guy, he clearly can very very easily afford the $15 a month but because he hates his friends so much and the women he sleeps with are so ugly the only way he can find it bareable is to spend all his money on drink. Thats ok he can spend his money however he likes but it's not true to say you can't afford it, you simply chose not to afford it.