I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? Is it true that you have to stand still to interact?

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?

Depends who you ask it appears. Some posters in other threads have confirmed the reviewer's opinion, others have decried it as a total fabrication and proof the writer really didn't play the game all that much.

Truth probably lies somewhere in between I'm thinking.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? Is it true that you have to stand still to interact?

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?

 

Hello there friend i can answer the questions only based on my two weeks of play so far.

1: The UI is functional but by no means user friendly. It takes a few hours to get used to but works without the bells and polish.

2: Yes you do. to attack or swing your weapon you have to left click. to swing again you click again. only using your skills can you advance.

3: can't say as i'm still in the newbie area. Plenty of content here though. some of it might be scary as you can get ganked, but it's still there :)

4: I'm english and have to say that i havent seen any trouble with quest descriptions :) it's kinda refreshing to see that unless you actually read the description, ie goblins to the north east, then you could easily get lost and run into things you dont want to :)

I admit i am only two weeks into it and still have that "noobie" feel, but i have to say after being a kind od sceptic to DF for most the time, i'm pleasantly suprised by it. But beware the grind friend as this game is all about grind.

Kyleran have you played DF yet?

Interested in reading your thoughts if you have already or ever do as your probably one of the most respected posters here ( in my opinion ) so come on get in and show us your thoughts friend!

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? Is it true that you have to stand still to interact?

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?

 

The UI is different. And for somethings you need to stand mostly still, looting and talking to a NPC for example.

Repeatedly clicking? i dont follow you here! What MMO dont you click to advance? The thing is that some people think you need to grind first (as in other MMOs) to get to "endgame". But if you just whatever you want......you are automaticlly advancing. So its up to the player if they wanna grind or play.

The content is also very dynamic. A simple thing as killing some noob goblins cab turn into a fullside war. A enemy race can dec ide to raid the noob area.....you will be fighting for your life for 45 minutes....and loot a mount (i looted a dragon mount my third day) ..and you will be so paranoid for every noice you hear for the rest of the evening. And that is just to kill some goblins.

No problem with the quest spelling so far. And if you find something it could be a roleplaying thing LOL

Originally posted by daarco  

Repeatedly clicking? i dont follow you here! What MMO dont you click to advance? The thing is that some people think you need to grind first (as in other MMOs) to get to "endgame". But if you just whatever you want......you are automaticlly advancing. So its up to the player if they wanna grind or play.

I mean is it like in UO that you need to continuing click a tree to chop wood and advance in "wood gathering" as opposed to click it once.

Or i have to click the mob EVERYTIME i swing a sword as opposed to click once and you will swing your sword automatically.

The combat engine is twitch based?

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by daarco  

Repeatedly clicking? i dont follow you here! What MMO dont you click to advance? The thing is that some people think you need to grind first (as in other MMOs) to get to "endgame". But if you just whatever you want......you are automaticlly advancing. So its up to the player if they wanna grind or play.

 

I mean is it like in UO that you need to continuing click a tree to chop wood and advance in "wood gathering" as opposed to click it once.

Or i have to click the mob EVERYTIME i swing a sword as opposed to click once and you will swing your sword automatically.

The combat engine is twitch based?

They have changed the clicky every time you want to gather something, now it is automatic.

There is no auto combat, you have to click everytime you want to swing.

The combat engine is.....intersting. Think rolfcopter from WoW brought up to a new level. Some tactics can be used so it's average and above average as you gain more options with skills.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? Is it true that you have to stand still to interact?

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?

 

Hey there, I'll help you out a little given my personal experience and opinions. For reference, I've been playing since launch on a daily basis.

1) No, the UI is not horrible. It IS difficult to get used to, but within an hour, hour and a half at most, you should be very familiar with it and use it with ease. Yes, you have to stand still to interact with bindstones, harvesting nodes, crafting stations, other people. Also, when you enter looting mode or you are trying to check your skill/spell progressions, you also have to stand still. This is a plus in my opinion, but to each his own.

2) Skills progress as you use them. Sure, you can sit in town and "repeatedly" press a button to skill up a spell or combat skill, but the game was designed to allow skill progression as you play. I have never once sat in town "skilling up" as you say, I go out and hunt people and mobs and THAT'S how I skill up.

3) Most of the content (especially the political aspect and economy) is player made and driven. Yes there are a lot of mob spawns throughout the world, including on hidden islands and such, and recently they added a bunch more solo mobs. But no, there is not as much as a game like "WoW" would have. You have to go looking for mobs. Skeletons will live in creepy ruins off the main road, goblins in camps in the woods, hill giants in forts in the wilderness. Although you have to go "looking" for mobs sometimes, there are PLENTY of them and you will inevitably stumble across some when you're not trying to quite frequently.

4) I haven't noticed any problems with descriptions of things, although I've only done 3 quests in game since I prefer to get money and increase my skills through PvP and PvE.

Hope this helps, ask anything else if you want and I'll try to help you out.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? Is it true that you have to stand still to interact?

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?

 

1) It's functional. Not horrible yet nothing bad. You get used to it after 10-20 mins. Yes you do need to stand still to loot, harvest and such. So no running around the corpse and looting at the same time and/or attacking.

2) They changed that.

3) No PvP quests, PvE is pretty standard, though the monsters can be fun to kill sometimes. Though I suggest you have a ranged weapon because they tend to favor the WoW tactics of monster AI eg. Run away and aggroing every monster on their way. Monsters in general act more like players by continually strafing and such although sometimes the AI is just plain stupid. PvP content is general is what you make of it.

4) Didn't really pay attention to the text, though it seemed ok at first glance. But really you won't really care since they are just fedex quests.

Whenever I hear Tasos speak about Darkfall and its qualities I can't help but compare him to Napoleon Dynamite. Specifically the part of the movie when he says "Yeah, it's probably the best drawing I have ever made. I spent three hours on the shading of your upper lip". It is just spot on...

Hearing his fan base defend his every move, always make me think of the uncle.... flexing his small arm muscles, with a bad hair piece and nothing underneath.

The rest of us... We are just the audience. Watching them, laughing at them, finding them quite sympathetic with their obvious flaws but at the same time.. very glad they are not our friends.

Originally posted by shukes33

Kyleran have you played DF yet?

Interested in reading your thoughts if you have already or ever do as your probably one of the most respected posters here ( in my opinion ) so come on get in and show us your thoughts friend!

No, but I do intend to.  Figured I'd hold out for the NA server launch (hoping it really happens) which should give AV time to work out the sort of kinks that would piss me off.

Hey, I waited 4 years before starting EVE, and 6 months before trying DAOC, and really enjoyed both games, figured I can give AV a bit of a headstart on DF as well.

Also, I'm going to take the advice that so many have given and try to get in with a strong clan at start up so I can enjoy the game much more than solo play seems to offer. 

Going in solo right now seems a bit like gaming equivalent of suicide and probably will detract strongly from my experience.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? Is it true that you have to stand still to interact?

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?

 

I only played for 2 weeks, about 10 of those days in a clan

1. Yes, it is very bad compared to most games.  the reviewer did make a couple errors though, but mostly because the game doesnt' explain how to do things (ie.. there is a way to remove the UI).   How bad the UI is really depends on what you've played before.  there are some free2play games that are worse, but the UI is terrible compared to any other MMORPG that you have to pay for.  The general view of the reviewer is dead-on about the UI, just some of the minor facts are wrong

2.  Yes, everything in the game is click-click-click.   You raise your magic skills by shooting spells into the air (by clicking).  Melee is all left mouse clicking.   If UO was 'horror' for you, then DF is worse because it requires much more individual clicking (at least UO's melee combat didn't require you to click for every swing).

3.  There is no content.  You run around and kill other players.  There are a few mobs here and there, but mostly the world is empty.  There isn't anything like an auction house or player housing.  Clans can own towns, but they are pre-fabbed and you can't do much with them.

4. The problem with the quests is much deeper then misspelling and bad english.   But yeah, the reviewer was correct.  But you have to give DF the benefit of the doubt since it wasn't written by native english speaking people.   Overall, quests are terrible though.

The review was pretty accurate in my opinion.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? Is it true that you have to stand still to interact?  The UI is clunky and unintuitive, typically requiring more interaction that should otherwise be required, in my opinion.  Whether or not you can get used to it is irrelevant.   Poor design is poor design.

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?) Yes and no. For resource gathering, auto-harvesting was implemented, so you click a tree once and just stand there swinging your axe until the tree is depleted, leveling up your skill as you do it.  So, you only click once/node, but it's mind-numbingly boring if the node is full.  For combat, you gain skill incrementally through actions.  Since combat is based on left mouse clicks, yes you need to click to gain skill.  Ideally, this will occur during normal encounters, so I'd consider it just part of play, if you do it naturally. Many players, however, use macros to level up their skills.  Lastly, some skills are passive, meaning gain them them naturally through non-button clicking activity.  Think running, swimming, defense (being hit), etc...

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)There's not a lot of scripted PVE content, although Aventurine has recently added more and seems intent on doing so even further.  PvP content is basically what you make of it.  I'm not aware of any PvP quests, but it doesn't mean they don't exist.  I'm pretty new, so I don't know. I will say, however, that there doesn't seem to be any underlying reason for the PvP.  There are different racial factions, but I've been killed by more blue members of my own race than I have by reds from other races.

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?  The translation isn't great, but its good enough and its passable.

~Ripper

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? no  Is it true that you have to stand still to interact? you can auto run and do a bunch of shit.  You must stand still to talk though, but you have to do that with any other game.

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)  Yes, that is if you want to.  However, that is a WoW mindset.  Better to just bring friends and kill better skilled up players.

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)  No, sky is the limit.

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?  No.  Completely false.

 

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

A bindstone, where you'll find yourself re-appearing a great deal.
You see, anyone can kill anyone. For the most part, your first ten or so hours in Darkfall are spent dying, repeatedly, at the hands of either the AI or a cyber-bully in a wolf-suit. In fact, past that mark, it feels impossible to avoid the clammy hands and bloodied sword of somebody who has specially allocated part of their day to griefing. (Not a game for you Ed , why you dont give the job to someone who knows about PvP Ed ?) PvP, in general, isn't really the issue.  A concern I have, especially in regards to the game's longetivity, is that there doesn't seem to be a reason to pvp other than just to do it.  You can join a clan and get involved in politics, but there's no underlying reason for the PvP.  I've been killed by far more blue maharim than I have by racial enemies, for example?  Why?  Just because.  This is a MMO, so players might want a little more out of it than something mindless.  If I want mindless pvp, I go to a LAN party.

Reasons for PvP -

Of course there are political dimensions (Clans at war, claim territory - through hamlet / city- racial conflicts, rule a territory )

But every PvP can break down and can be understood  as "food chain" conflict ..

The most peaceful method of obtain goods is through harvesting, obtain goods from mobs you have to PvE   and you can obtain goods from looting other players that requires PvP.

In a risk - reward - time relation it should look like.

PvP > PvE > harvesting / crafting. ( in time spend)

and

harvesting > PvE > PvP (in risk  and amount of stuff created / gathered)

 The PvP 'r hopes to get valuable things someone else gathered for hours or farned for hours in a single attack/ambush. 

The attacker as an "predator" wants "to live" from killing others.

The defender of course want to defend his goods and work / and try to live from the amount of goods he can obtain from less risk in gathering / crafting  and farming mobs)

IMO it can be looked at it that way..

So if someone has killed you and you thought "for no reason" maybe he was checking if you have 100 iron ore on you and that will save him almost a hour harvesting.

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? no  Is it true that you have to stand still to interact? you can auto run and do a bunch of shit.  You must stand still to talk though, but you have to do that with any other game.

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)  Yes, that is if you want to.  However, that is a WoW mindset.  Better to just bring friends and kill better skilled up players.

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)  No, sky is the limit.

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?  No.  Completely false.

 

 

 

Really?   I auto run while chatting all the time, can this happen in DF?  Not from what you are describing.

Sounds like his review is pretty accurate, infact I find the people trying to put holes in it to appear more pathetic than the actual review, which yes, is slanted and opinionated.

Yes there is lack of content, I've seen screenshot after screenshot of empty dungeons and people questioning where mobs are and how buggy and laggy the game is...

I've read post after post claming how bad the AI scripts are and how horrible the quest givers are, also how impossible it is to figure out how to interact with quest NPCs.

No i havn't played this game, its impossible to get a copy even if I wnated to.

Screen shots and talking to actual fans can expose the problems of the game very plainly for all to see.

It might be worth playing for the most Die hard of fans, but its not worth it for any average "gamer"  which I'm sure is what the review was speaking to.

No its not 100% true, and no its not 50% true, its maybe 20-25% true.

Anyone who believes that review and has not played this game is a true retard and deserves to be shot in the head.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? no  Is it true that you have to stand still to interact? you can auto run and do a bunch of shit.  You must stand still to talk though, but you have to do that with any other game.

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)  Yes, that is if you want to.  However, that is a WoW mindset.  Better to just bring friends and kill better skilled up players.

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)  No, sky is the limit.

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?  No.  Completely false.

 

 

 

 

Really?   I auto run while chatting all the time, can this happen in DF?  Not from what you are describing.

Sounds like his review is pretty accurate, infact I find the people trying to put holes in it to appear more pathetic than the actual review, which yes, is slanted and opinionated.

Yes there is lack of content, I've seen screenshot after screenshot of empty dungeons and people questioning where mobs are and how buggy and laggy the game is...

I've read post after post claming how bad the AI scripts are and how horrible the quest givers are, also how impossible it is to figure out how to interact with quest NPCs.

No i havn't played this game, its impossible to get a copy even if I wnated to.

Screen shots and talking to actual fans can expose the problems of the game very plainly for all to see.

It might be worth playing for the most Die hard of fans, but its not worth it for any average "gamer"  which I'm sure is what the review was speaking to.

Yes you can auto run while chatting. you hit numlock and them right click and type away.

His review is wrong for someone who has not try this and makes comments are retarded. 1 maybe 2 lines he said were ture.

Theres lots of content imo, every dungeon ive been in have npcs and chest and racks. This is mostly a pvp game but theres lots of PVE and not with the last patch LOTS LOTS MORE. There was a few days in the first month where the PVE was bugged I believed it happened for a day, is that the Screenshots u refer to the 1 day it happened?  The game is not laggy, the americans who are on the west coast are, get your facts right kid.  And I am in USA Florida and get 130-150 ping when in 100vs100 battles.

Quests are bad, but this game isnt about quests, The AI is more complex then most games there is like where they just stand there and dont run, and the mobs are hard and AI just got updated. Quests are getting better after the last few patches they added lots more content.

Its impossible to get a copy you right, but the ones who do are having fun and arent bitching, the most of the people who talk bad of this game are the ones who couldnt get it or are QQ about getting ganked.

Yes there are problems with this game, but its still fun. Every single MMO had problems in there first 1-3 months so you fail again trolly.

By average he means anyone who likes to quest and hold hands while talking in a fake tavern sitting down typing bubbles on top of there head, Or doing a 40 man raid on a single monster Thats his Average gamer.

This game aint for carebears, its for pvpers, and yes if you are bored of every other game and want to PVP with real danger and lost this game is worth trying,

Btw Forums are for people to whine, not to tell how the game is. Look at the players who played for more than 2 hours in the featured blogs and they give a 100 % correct depth of the game.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? Is it true that you have to stand still to interact?

The UI is not like a regular MMO, it's more like an FPS. it is awkward at first but becomes natural after an hour or 2. given DF's FPS-like gameplay, the UI fits the gameplay well. No you do not need to stand still to do stuff, in fact i often sort my backpack while riding/auto-running.

 

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)

yes; or get an auto-clicker. honestly, "just playing" and afk harvesting is the best way to go, unless you want to really get into magic, in which case i'd advocate macroing, cause it's slow.

 

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)

only if you come from a WOW-style MMO background where the game effectively channels you through the exact same content as everyone else. otherwise, no, there is no shortage of stuff to do. no real pvp quests except the ones you could set yourself (eg: hunt down and kill the guy who killed you the night before). there are quests like "kill 20 mahirrim" though.

 

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?

 yes there were some spelling mistakes i saw in beta, can't think of any recently though but they may well be there i honestly can't recall.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by nariusseldon

I am not interested so much in the score since that is subjective. But i am interested to know if the problems pointed out by the reviewer is true.

Couple of questions:

1) is the UI as horrible as described? no  Is it true that you have to stand still to interact? you can auto run and do a bunch of shit.  You must stand still to talk though, but you have to do that with any other game.

2) do you have to repeatedly click to advance any skills (the horror of UO comes back?)  Yes, that is if you want to.  However, that is a WoW mindset.  Better to just bring friends and kill better skilled up players.

3) is there a lack of content? (even pvp content .. for example, are there pvp quests?)  No, sky is the limit.

4) is it true that there are problems with the description of quests (like english & spelling)?  No.  Completely false.

 

 

 

 

Really?   I auto run while chatting all the time, can this happen in DF?  Not from what you are describing.

Sounds like his review is pretty accurate, infact I find the people trying to put holes in it to appear more pathetic than the actual review, which yes, is slanted and opinionated.

Yes there is lack of content, I've seen screenshot after screenshot of empty dungeons and people questioning where mobs are and how buggy and laggy the game is...

I've read post after post claming how bad the AI scripts are and how horrible the quest givers are, also how impossible it is to figure out how to interact with quest NPCs.

No i havn't played this game, its impossible to get a copy even if I wnated to.

Screen shots and talking to actual fans can expose the problems of the game very plainly for all to see.

It might be worth playing for the most Die hard of fans, but its not worth it for any average "gamer"  which I'm sure is what the review was speaking to.

 I meant when you interact with an NPC.