Originally posted by AgtSmith

I stand by my comments and reactions to the perception that Turbine and LotRO fans (collectively) regularly make LotRO out to be something it is not established to be in terms of popularity/poulation.  I am not saying it is small or dying or stagnent or anything of the sort, but there is no proof or indication that it has achieve any kind of singularly unique success in terms of population than all the MMOs out there that are not fairly described as bombs.

how suprised am I...by this post?

Anyone who thinks the combat in Aoc, WoW, and LotRO is the same...needs to take a break from gaming....clearly not the same. But doing anything too log gets repetitive.....but not the same...

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Originally posted by Gestankfaust

Anyone who thinks the combat in Aoc, WoW, and LotRO is the same...needs to take a break from gaming....clearly not the same. But doing anything too log gets repetitive.....but not the same...

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             I had pretty much the same experience as the OP....I really enjoyed the game for about a month then hit the wall and couldnt stand it anymore.....When I first started I thought I was really going to enjoy it and signed up for 6 months....i almost went for the lifetime membership (thank goodness I passed on that)........Like many of you my issues were extremely boring and repetitive combat and that LoTRO is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too quest driven.......I mean you can kill 1000 trols or take mrs Hobbitbreath a pie.....Sad thing is you get more XP for delivering that pie than you do for killing the 1000 trolls.....I left the game before MoM came out and had no desire to return to try it......

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Turbine and LotRO fans (collectively) regularly make LotRO out to be something it is not established to be in terms of popularity/poulation [i.e., that it is some] kind of singularly unique success in terms of population than all the MMOs out there that are not fairly described as bombs.

 

Dude, you are out of your skull.  No-one here has claimed that. 

Yes there is one guy in here claiming that LoTRO is number two.  But even he isn't saying that it's doing tons better than FFXI, WAR, EVE ect.  All that any of the rest of us have claimed is that more folks appear to be playing now than before MoM.  Several external metrics support that idea (X-fire, the website that pools logins attemps, ect.).  The fact that no new servers have been added only means that the current server capacity has not been reached, it's not really a good counter argument to our impressions in game...much less X-fire.

"More popular than it was a year ago" doesn't say anything about how LoTRO is doing compared to FFXI, EVE, WAR, ect.  No-one (save perhaps Mr. Bloodworth with his "number 2" assertation) has claimed that LoTRO is a "unique success" in terms of population among financially stable MMOs.  You have now spent ten pages trying to stuff "WoW killer" into our mouths (no one in their right mind thinks LoTRO is anywhere near 11 million subs), and calling us liars for reporting what we are seeing on the ground in game (seems like more folks are playing than last year).

I'm done with this thread. 

tolkien fans would have played anything just as d and d fans would as an mmo .  both games could have been so much more . but lotro is a slow but nice looking pve game (its not a bad rpg but its not worth the monthly fee) . the pvp is pretty horrible . ddo is essentially one long dungeon hack . on top this i ve also had problems cancelling my sub with turbine who charged my account after i d cancelled with them( and yeah i do know how to cancel my account its just that turbine did nt t seam to know how to cancel it ,nor would they take responsibility for thier error ) . personally i would nt play another turbine game again . i just think they are badly run company and their mmo games lack something . (imagination) 

Originally posted by googajoob7

tolkien fans would have played anything just as d and d fans would as an mmo .  both games could have been so much more . but lotro is a slow but nice looking pve game (its not a bad rpg but its not worth the monthly fee) . the pvp is pretty horrible .

That isn't true.  I used to love playing D&D before I found out about girls :P

...and quite frankly I thought DDO sucked. I almost passed on LotR because I was so dissappointed with how DDO turned out since Turbine was behind that game.

Glad I didn't...but about the only thing being a fan of a genre really ensures is that they're a lot more open to giving something a shot not that they'll love the game no matter what.

Still, like all mmos, Rings isn't for everyone.  I do agree with you about LotR PvP though.

Originally posted by Theocritus

             I had pretty much the same experience as the OP....I really enjoyed the game for about a month then hit the wall and couldnt stand it anymore.....When I first started I thought I was really going to enjoy it and signed up for 6 months....i almost went for the lifetime membership (thank goodness I passed on that)........Like many of you my issues were extremely boring and repetitive combat and that LoTRO is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too quest driven.......I mean you can kill 1000 trols or take mrs Hobbitbreath a pie.....Sad thing is you get more XP for delivering that pie than you do for killing the 1000 trolls.....I left the game before MoM came out and had no desire to return to try it......

Thanks you have signed your trolling with the part in red.

DB

Originally posted by googajoob7

tolkien fans would have played anything just as d and d fans would as an mmo .  both games could have been so much more . but lotro is a slow but nice looking pve game (its not a bad rpg but its not worth the monthly fee) . the pvp is pretty horrible . ddo is essentially one long dungeon hack . on top this i ve also had problems cancelling my sub with turbine who charged my account after i d cancelled with them( and yeah i do know how to cancel my account its just that turbine did nt t seam to know how to cancel it ,nor would they take responsibility for thier error ) . personally i would nt play another turbine game again . i just think they are badly run company and their mmo games lack something . (imagination) 

Yup, my thoughts exactly. I played LOTRO for almost 2 years and slowly came to my senses. LOTRO is truely a huge dissapointment imo.

I find it funny that these LOTRO fans stop in here to defend their game when the reality is that their only playing LOTRO because its based on Tolkiens work. If its Middle Earth its got to be good, right? Wrong! LOL

I've always felt that LOTRO will continue to go strong simply because of the Tolkien fans, and it will. But for them to claim all these things about LOTRO cracks me up because LOTRO is probly one of the most bland MMORPGs on the market. If it wasnt for Middle Earth, the game would be no where right now. Its harsh but sadly its true.  

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by googajoob7

tolkien fans would have played anything just as d and d fans would as an mmo .  both games could have been so much more . but lotro is a slow but nice looking pve game (its not a bad rpg but its not worth the monthly fee) . the pvp is pretty horrible . ddo is essentially one long dungeon hack . on top this i ve also had problems cancelling my sub with turbine who charged my account after i d cancelled with them( and yeah i do know how to cancel my account its just that turbine did nt t seam to know how to cancel it ,nor would they take responsibility for thier error ) . personally i would nt play another turbine game again . i just think they are badly run company and their mmo games lack something . (imagination) 

 

Yup, my thoughts exactly. I played LOTRO for almost 2 years and slowly came to my senses. LOTRO is truely a huge dissapointment imo.

I find it funny that these LOTRO fans stop in here to defend their game when the reality is that their only playing LOTRO because its based on Tolkiens work. If its Middle Earth its got to be good, right? Wrong! LOL

I've always felt that LOTRO will continue to go strong simply because of the Tolkien fans, and it will. But for them to claim all these things about LOTRO cracks me up because LOTRO is probly one of the most bland MMORPGs on the market. If it wasnt for Middle Earth, the game would be no where right now. Its harsh but sadly its true.  

um, if you played it for 2 years it couldn't have been that bad??? How long does a non-sandbox MMO supposed to "last" anyway before one wants something different?

Originally posted by docminus

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by googajoob7

tolkien fans would have played anything just as d and d fans would as an mmo .  both games could have been so much more . but lotro is a slow but nice looking pve game (its not a bad rpg but its not worth the monthly fee) . the pvp is pretty horrible . ddo is essentially one long dungeon hack . on top this i ve also had problems cancelling my sub with turbine who charged my account after i d cancelled with them( and yeah i do know how to cancel my account its just that turbine did nt t seam to know how to cancel it ,nor would they take responsibility for thier error ) . personally i would nt play another turbine game again . i just think they are badly run company and their mmo games lack something . (imagination) 

 

Yup, my thoughts exactly. I played LOTRO for almost 2 years and slowly came to my senses. LOTRO is truely a huge dissapointment imo.

I find it funny that these LOTRO fans stop in here to defend their game when the reality is that their only playing LOTRO because its based on Tolkiens work. If its Middle Earth its got to be good, right? Wrong! LOL

I've always felt that LOTRO will continue to go strong simply because of the Tolkien fans, and it will. But for them to claim all these things about LOTRO cracks me up because LOTRO is probly one of the most bland MMORPGs on the market. If it wasnt for Middle Earth, the game would be no where right now. Its harsh but sadly its true.  

um, if you played it for 2 years it couldn't have been that bad??? How long does a non-sandbox MMO supposed to "last" anyway before one wants something different?

I played it for 2 years because I was a raid leader of a casual kinship full of great folks. The people kept me coming back, not the game.

As history has shown, a good IP does not a successful game instantly make. LOTRO is where it is, partly because its LOTR, yes, but mostly because its one of the most polished, stable, and frequently updated games on the market. Its simply a good product.

Also realize, that noone in this thread is an avrage player. Not in terms of MMO's, or LOTR.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

As history has shown, a good IP does not a successful game instantly make. LOTRO is where it is, partly because its LOTR, yes, but mostly because its one of the most polished, stable, and frequently updated games on the market. Its simply a good product.

 

Also realize, that noone in this thread is an avrage player. Not in terms of MMO's, or LOTR.

Huh? 

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

As history has shown, a good IP does not a successful game instantly make. LOTRO is where it is, partly because its LOTR, yes, but mostly because its one of the most polished, stable, and frequently updated games on the market. Its simply a good product.

 

Also realize, that noone in this thread is an avrage player. Not in terms of MMO's, or LOTR.

 

Huh? 

What part didn't you get?

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

As history has shown, a good IP does not a successful game instantly make. LOTRO is where it is, partly because its LOTR, yes, but mostly because its one of the most polished, stable, and frequently updated games on the market. Its simply a good product.

 

Also realize, that noone in this thread is an avrage player. Not in terms of MMO's, or LOTR.

 

Huh? 

What part didn't you get?

Do you know everyone on this thread? I'm an average player. What is your point?

And LOTRO is buggy as heck when new updates come out....(drunk goat rides anyone?) I've experienced more bugs in LOTRO then in any other MMORPG ive played (except AoC of course).

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

As history has shown, a good IP does not a successful game instantly make. LOTRO is where it is, partly because its LOTR, yes, but mostly because its one of the most polished, stable, and frequently updated games on the market. Its simply a good product.

 

Also realize, that noone in this thread is an avrage player. Not in terms of MMO's, or LOTR.

 

Huh? 

What part didn't you get?

 

Do you know everyone on this thread? I'm an average player. What is your point?

 

No, your not. I didn't say there were no bugs i sad:

its one of the most polished, stable, and frequently updated games on the market. Its simply a good product.

Originally posted by BigMango

Yep, same thing here. But I have finaly found the source of my problem.

Lotro has everything, yet they somehow managed to screw up the most important feature, the thing you do all the time: Combat, it's extremely slow and boring. Combat is not fun, so it makes the game boring to play.

Take for example Linage 2. This game is a pure grind. There are almost no quests, so you grind for months until you get to the levels to enjoy some good pvp. Yet combat hits hard and is fast. It's fun to play.

In lotro after playing for 1 hour I am already bored and switch it off. When I play Lineage 2 I can play for hours to no end, and after all these years, every time I come back to it , it still keeps me playing for whole nights and I don't even realize it until the next morning.

L2 has no quests and most mobs are just standing there, this is nothing compared to the lotro world... But combat is fast and makes you actually feel you are hitting something. This together with the great character progression makes the game fun to play. Then you add the great team play, the player trading and the pvp with castle owneship and you have a great game.

Now take lotro.... slow boring combat... ruins everything.

Thats why I dont really like any Western MMOs. All of them have that same slow and boring combat thats has me falling to sleep. Yea, I quit Lord Of The Rings afther 2 months because that combat sucked. I would hit my skills and could not even tell if he did anything because it looked just like a regular melee attack. Also lacking the feel of danger from open pvp is something I cant live without.

Originally posted by Korvenus

 

Thats why I dont really like any Western MMOs. All of them have that same slow and boring combat thats has me falling to sleep. Yea, I quit Lord Of The Rings afther 2 months because that combat sucked. I would hit my skills and could not even tell if he did anything because it looked just like a regular melee attack. Also lacking the feel of danger from open pvp is something I cant live without.

Well...yeah, if you're a PvP'er, this is not the game for you.  Isn't meant to be.

Not ALL western MMO's have the same thing, and more and more FPS and action-oriented MMO's are on the way.  Something for everyone!

LOTRO, IMO, is not a game to be played maniacally.  It's not a goal-oriented, race to the finish line type of game.  It's meant to be enjoyed over time.  Soak in the environment and the music.  Enjoy the trip to Middle Earth, because this game NAILS it.  Music, sound, setting, graphics, lore are all top-notch.  And, crafting is very well done.  Unfortunately, the economy doesn't really synergize wtih it well.

But, yeah, the character classes are lackluster, and combat is a boring button smash.  The animations and sounds are well done, but there is nothing exciting or imaginative here.  It's even more boring than WoW.  And, the quests could stand to be a LOT more imaginative.  They need to go the direction of WotLK quests.

But, if you know this going in and you don't play to fight mobs all the time or gather loot (I keep telling people, this is NOT a loot game even though loot does drop), you can enjoy it quite a bit.  All the time?  No.  But, it is by far my favorite 'other' game.  Whenever I need a break, I travel to Middle Earth and soak it in.  It's a blast.

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

As history has shown, a good IP does not a successful game instantly make. LOTRO is where it is, partly because its LOTR, yes, but mostly because its one of the most polished, stable, and frequently updated games on the market. Its simply a good product.

 

Also realize, that noone in this thread is an avrage player. Not in terms of MMO's, or LOTR.

 

Huh? 

What part didn't you get?

 

Do you know everyone on this thread? I'm an average player. What is your point?

And LOTRO is buggy as heck when new updates come out....(drunk goat rides anyone?) I've experienced more bugs in LOTRO then in any other MMORPG ive played (except AoC of course).

 

so how many u played 1? all others having much more buggs then lotro and that buggs never get fixed...

Originally posted by velimirius

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

As history has shown, a good IP does not a successful game instantly make. LOTRO is where it is, partly because its LOTR, yes, but mostly because its one of the most polished, stable, and frequently updated games on the market. Its simply a good product.

 

Also realize, that noone in this thread is an avrage player. Not in terms of MMO's, or LOTR.

 

Huh? 

What part didn't you get?

 

Do you know everyone on this thread? I'm an average player. What is your point?

And LOTRO is buggy as heck when new updates come out....(drunk goat rides anyone?) I've experienced more bugs in LOTRO then in any other MMORPG ive played (except AoC of course).

 

 

so how many u played 1? all others having much more buggs then lotro and that buggs never get fixed...

I've played all the big MMOs since leaving LOTRO.

LOTRO is a stable and fairly bug-free MMO (when they've had time to patch it) dont get me wrong. But to say its one of the most polished games on the market is false. Updates are regular, sure, but its a must for Turbine to keep their player base. There simply isnt enought to offer gamers near end-game to keep them happy.