Originally posted by Batavier
I've been playing MMOs since 2003 and since early this year I've become bored of them. It's not the games, it's me. I have tried AoC and WAR after I was done with WOW. It just doesn't 'grab' me anymore. I think the above posters are right, the immersion is gone. Taking a break can help, so that's why I'm not going to play another MMO for at least six months. I will just spend my time on single player RPGs (Fallout 3 comes to mind) and other games. :)

 

I'm in pretty much the same state of mind at the moment. Got bored after over four years on CoH and decided to give LOTRO a try. It's a lovely looking game but I just couldn't get on with it. I think the superhero genre, where you tend to blitz around at a hell of a pace, is now so firmly ingrained in me that I simply can't cope with the idea of creeping about at a snails pace like you do most other MMO's.  That's not to say they are bad, it's just what I've become used to.

I tried AO as well, same problem. So, I'm back with CoH at the moment - been there too long to cancel the sub at this stage. I'm waiting for CO to be released. Don't think I'll waste my time looking at any other MMO, I'm pretty sure I won't like the way they play. Damn that CoH, it's got me hooked even though I'm sometimes so bored with it...if that makes any sense!

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Yeah, I am so unreasonable ... I had good things to say about LotRO as well as a few bad things, I argued that since Turbine doesn't release sub numbers anyone claiming to know the game is growing or shrinking in population is full of it, and I suggested that it was arrogant to tell another person that they are wrong about what bores them (be it MMOs from burnout or LotRO's gameplay or whatever). Boy,  I am so unreasonable it is hard to believe Al Gore himself hasn't invoked his inventors prerogative to ban me from the internet.

Thats your first post that doesnt sound 100% like trolling, congrats.

Whoa! No flame wars here, heh. We are just talking about personal experiences and opinions! I find watching Tennis or Soccer boring as hell, but thats just an opinion. ;) I wont critizise you if youn say you LOVE watching tennis or soccer.

My point was, that I am at a bit of a loss. I really want to enjoy LOTRO, but all too soon I find myself bored. The posts here kinda made it a bit clearer. These things are of course my reasons only, they may or may not apply to others . ;)

One thing is for sure a personal burnout after so many years and so many MMOs. But to a burnout it always takes two, one playing too much, and companies always copy-paste the same stuff. And seriously, ever since EQ we have seen much really new under the sun.

Another aspect is, yes I knew Middle Earth by heart. I have studied the Tolkien Atlas from Karen Wynn Fonstad and other Tolkien books, so I know a LOT already. Maybe that adds to the feeling of more walking through a kind of museum than through an acutal game world. I would be curious if others, who do not know Tolkien Lore so well too have this museum-feeling?

Also the nature of Tolkiens Middle Earth is that of a "low fantasy", due to the age, meaning some kind restricted world. There are no really wild things, a lot of classes and races and mobs are practically excluded. Whereas in EQ they were free to add whatever they wanted, in LOTRO this isnt possible. So we do see a lot of boars and goblins and oh look more boars and goblins. I really don't want to be in their shoes imagening all the stuff in the rest of Middle Earth and not make boars and goblins and wolves all over AGAIN. Somehow I have this impression that all possible mobs are already there, so what new mobs CAN we expect in the future??

One very personal gripe is the characters, both class and races as well as visual design. I find the faces, hairs and armor quite... sterile. Not bad, but nothing to evoke any deep emotion about. In stark contrast to the VERY emotion evoking landscapes! And races... its humans, elves, dwarfs, hobbits. Again, Tolkien lore doesnt allow Ratonga or Kerran. Or whatever cool and bizarre race you may imagine.

Lastly, yes also the combat is not thrilling. Partial because of the not so interesting animations. The two new classes are way better in animation btw. But it is a common problem that we have seen the same animations over and over in so many games, as one the authors here on MMORPG said so correctly. It is more symbolic combat, and after all the years I just grew tired of that.

I really dont want to drag the game down. If you enjoy it, thats all fine with me. Especially if you have little or no MMO experience LOTRO can be a very good beginner MMO. Or if you have little time. (For instance I found the levelling WAY too fast, but of course when you have little time you might see that differently.) What I think is, that LOTRO is in a way the summit of the possible development of this, classic style of Online Multiplayer gameplay. But after all the many MMos and years I belong to those who grew beyond that.

I want a story that is PERSONAL, I want real choices and great diversity in races, class and skills. I was combat that feels like IMPACT and not like a symbolic dance. Like a small kids clothing I feel like I have outgrown this kind of old fashioned gameplay. Sorry if that sounds arrogant, but that is how I feel these days about MMOs I see and try. They perfected the old way, but I expanded, my desire have become more... sophisticated over the years. And IMVPO thats what happend to many who feel like this about MMos. We grew and MMos basically only perfected their old level.

Originally posted by Elikal

Whoa! No flame wars here, heh. We are just talking about personal experiences and opinions! I find watching Tennis or Soccer boring as hell, but thats just an opinion. ;) I wont critizise you if youn say you LOVE watching tennis or soccer.

My point was, that I am at a bit of a loss. I really want to enjoy LOTRO, but all too soon I find myself bored. The posts here kinda made it a bit clearer. These things are of course my reasons only, they may or may not apply to others . ;)

One thing is for sure a personal burnout after so many years and so many MMOs. But to a burnout it always takes two, one playing too much, and companies always copy-paste the same stuff. And seriously, ever since EQ we have seen much really new under the sun.

Another aspect is, yes I knew Middle Earth by heart. I have studied the Tolkien Atlas from Karen Wynn Fonstad and other Tolkien books, so I know a LOT already. Maybe that adds to the feeling of more walking through a kind of museum than through an acutal game world. I would be curious if others, who do not know Tolkien Lore so well too have this museum-feeling?

Also the nature of Tolkiens Middle Earth is that of a "low fantasy", due to the age, meaning some kind restricted world. There are no really wild things, a lot of classes and races and mobs are practically excluded. Whereas in EQ they were free to add whatever they wanted, in LOTRO this isnt possible. So we do see a lot of boars and goblins and oh look more boars and goblins. I really don't want to be in their shoes imagening all the stuff in the rest of Middle Earth and not make boars and goblins and wolves all over AGAIN. Somehow I have this impression that all possible mobs are already there, so what new mobs CAN we expect in the future??

One very personal gripe is the characters, both class and races as well as visual design. I find the faces, hairs and armor quite... sterile. Not bad, but nothing to evoke any deep emotion about. In stark contrast to the VERY emotion evoking landscapes! And races... its humans, elves, dwarfs, hobbits. Again, Tolkien lore doesnt allow Ratonga or Kerran. Or whatever cool and bizarre race you may imagine.

Lastly, yes also the combat is not thrilling. Partial because of the not so interesting animations. The two new classes are way better in animation btw. But it is a common problem that we have seen the same animations over and over in so many games, as one the authors here on MMORPG said so correctly. It is more symbolic combat, and after all the years I just grew tired of that.

 

I really dont want to drag the game down. If you enjoy it, thats all fine with me. Especially if you have little or no MMO experience LOTRO can be a very good beginner MMO. Or if you have little time. (For instance I found the levelling WAY too fast, but of course when you have little time you might see that differently.) What I think is, that LOTRO is in a way the summit of the possible development of this, classic style of Online Multiplayer gameplay. But after all the many MMos and years I belong to those who grew beyond that.

I want a story that is PERSONAL, I want real choices and great diversity in races, class and skills. I was combat that feels like IMPACT and not like a symbolic dance. Like a small kids clothing I feel like I have outgrown this kind of old fashioned gameplay. Sorry if that sounds arrogant, but that is how I feel these days about MMOs I see and try. They perfected the old way, but I expanded, my desire have become more... sophisticated over the years. And IMVPO thats what happend to many who feel like this about MMos. We grew and MMos basically only perfected their old level.

Elikal, now this is a thoughtful post. If you had posted something like this instead of your first post, I might not have suggested you were just trolling. While I disagree with some of your ideas about LOTRO this is a clear reasoning as to why you might find LOTRO boring.
 

The paragraph I highlighted I think is probably the main reason for people feeling mmos are getting boring. Also your comment about the game feeling like a museum is interesting. While I am not bored with LOTRO I can see your point on this. I was saying this exact thing to a friend of mine. I was commenting that I move around Middle Earth like I was in a Tolkien exhibit at times moving from display to display.

Your last paragraph is pretty right on the money to. I think games like LOTRO, WOW, and EQ2 have taken the original mmo concept to it's climax. I do not want to argue over these games but they offer the same experience and they all do it as well as the genre can. While I do not find LOTRO boring I do think the genre needs to grow to keep up with the players. I see nothing on the horizon that seems to offer this. So we are stuck with the games that do their job the best. For me that is LOTRO, EQ2, and WoW. I do give SOE credit for trying something like Free Realms but I want a Free Realms for adults. It is obvious the mmo genre has more followers then ever so lets hope the developers take a few chances to offer a new experience. There is room for a WOW killer but will any developer be willing to risk the reward to try something new and for all their talk will the players really support something new?

What I think most people are missing here is that the primary purpose of a MMO is socialization game play is important also but it is still secondary. Luckily for me LoTRO has decent game play and I find the community the second best of any MMO I have ever played. SWG at launch had the best but that time is long gone.

LoTRO also has plenty of game play also with lots of thing to do while I am chatting with my friends. I can explore, level a character, grind deeds or coin, look for a decoration for my house, craft some good gear for a friend or a alt or the AH, do a instance run, or just sit and listen to a player practicing music at the Inn. there special events and festivals and regular content updates. LoTRO may not be the perfect MMO but it is damn close.

Anyone who is "bored with the rings" will probably be bored in any MMO

I'm really glad the OP has re-phrased his point, which became totally valid and fair  - that's the power of words :)

I agree with eccoton, actually with everything in his last post. Well done :)

DB

Serious and professional product, new areas, nice community, great design... but boring gameplay
Came back to Lotro and found it boring.

Why ?

1° there's no challenge. Make a group with 3 run keeper and 2 warden  and you'll finish all dungeons quickly, without one death, without one wipe. It's NOW (was in the closed beta) too easy. Did all GBD in 30 min.  (i'm a casual gamer) At the beginning, it was hard to finish Great Barrow downs, now it's not fun, it's too easy. 

2° the game is too linear. Nothing changed since release/. THe universe is always the same, you can see 2 orcs attacking trestle, no more. Nothing changed since release.

3° there's only 1 PVP area (nothing changed since beta)

4° This game is bugged, more buggy than it was at release and in the beta (That's new. Lotro was perfect in beta, now it's buggy)

Lotro is now too easy with the 2 new classes.,The RK, what kind of JEDI is it ? oO  They kill and destroy anything and they heal anyone. So you'll find more and more RK each day. 

Rune Keeper on the ring online, RK more powerful than Gandalf himself. W and RK are going to kill the game, as Jedi killed SWG.

Originally posted by Jackdog

What I think most people are missing here is that the primary purpose of a MMO is socialization game play is important also but it is still secondary. Luckily for me LoTRO has decent game play and I find the community the second best of any MMO I have ever played. SWG at launch had the best but that time is long gone.

LoTRO also has plenty of game play also with lots of thing to do while I am chatting with my friends. I can explore, level a character, grind deeds or coin, look for a decoration for my house, craft some good gear for a friend or a alt or the AH, do a instance run, or just sit and listen to a player practicing music at the Inn. there special events and festivals and regular content updates. LoTRO may not be the perfect MMO but it is damn close.

Anyone who is "bored with the rings" will probably be bored in any MMO

I agree with you for the most part. For me though I would put community at number two and combat at number one, my personal preference though. I don't know why but with lotro I just wasn't feeling the combat so to speak. I guess it was the animations just felt tacky to me and the way skills queued to be more rhythmic instead of instant bothered me. Unfortunately I couldn't over look that, but LoTROs community seemed a lot more social than other MMOs, I would put it at second behind FFXI and only because in FFXI (in the old days) you couldn't solo anything at all. I pretty much game hop around because no MMO has gotten all the important things to me, they all seem to have one feature I love and another just as important missing

Originally posted by ougarit

Serious and professional product, new areas, nice community, great design... but boring gameplay
Came back to Lotro and found it boring.

Why ?

1° there's no challenge. Make a group with 3 run keeper and 2 warden  and you'll finish all dungeons quickly, without one death, without one wipe. It's NOW (was in the closed beta) too easy. Did all GBD in 30 min.  (i'm a casual gamer) At the beginning, it was hard to finish Great Barrow downs, now it's not fun, it's too easy. 

I agree that the RK's and wardens are over powered, how ever stating that they can clear any instance is a gross exaggeration. At any rate the devs agree with the over powered part, see the patch notes for book 8. Been playing these games since 1997 and all MMOs go through phases on balancing classes.

2° the game is too linear. Nothing changed since release/. THe universe is always the same, you can see 2 orcs attacking trestle, no more. Nothing changed since release.

that would apply to any MMO.  I am not aware of any where devs are doing live events 24 and 7

3° there's only 1 PVP area (nothing changed since beta)

LoTRO's focus is not PvP. For most of us playing this would count as a plus not a minus

4° This game is bugged, more buggy than it was at release and in the beta (That's new. Lotro was perfect in beta, now it's buggy)

Gee the most complex MMO on the market had a bug, that took the Devs a week to smash, what a concept. If you are referring to the water/exploit mob bug it just got fixed. I ran around Evendim for a couple of hours yesterday never had a single issue where before it was darn near unplayable. Bugs wil happen in any MMO, the true test is whether the Devs can fix them. I can show you bugs in EQII and AoC that have been there since launch

Lotro is now too easy with the 2 new classes.,The RK, what kind of JEDI is it ? oO  They kill and destroy anything and they heal anyone. So you'll find more and more RK each day. 

Rune Keeper on the ring online, RK more powerful than Gandalf himself. W and RK are going to kill the game, as Jedi killed SWG.

you are repeating yourself here ,see the patch notes for book 8. Problem with jedi was not that they were overpowered the problem was SOE could not figure out how to balance them. RK's will be toned down a notch or two by this time next month

I enjoyed my time playing Lotro but after a while I wondered why I was playing a Solo Rpg.

Seriously Why make an MMO so solo friendly that you could quest stack 95% of the time in the game.

Not noing to call out anyone in particular, just awant to make a few points.

1. I'm glad the OP actually typed out what he meant.  That post would have a good starting point for a discussion instead of the ten page mess that this thread consists of.  I disagree with many of his opinions, particularly that LoTRO will only have long term appeal for first time MMO gamers.  I've been playing these things since Scars Vellious era EQ (and I dabbled in MUDs before that), I have tried at least two dozen MMOs that I can think of off the top of my head, and nothing has come anywhere near holding my attention as long as LoTRO.  However, the OP does make some good points in his longer post and he's not pretending his opinions are anything but opinions.  Bravo.

2. Any MMO will have occaisional bugs and balance issues.  LoTRO has had fewer bugs than anything I've played apart from WoW, and has had fewer and more minor class balance issues than any MMO I have ever played.  You can certainly find some insatnces of me whining about class changes if you scour the net, but overall in the grand scheme of things this game has had pretty minor issues.  The current problem with Blackarrows is literally the worst class balance problem I can think of since the game launched.   if you have played SWG or DAoC, you know what real class balance issues are like.

LoTRO is also a hell of a lot easier at low levels than at high levels, that is by design.  The first ten levels of this game are currently a bit too easy in my mind, but that's hardly the entire game.

3. Anyone that claims that LoTRO is "95%" solo is ignorant or lying.  You can indeed play it that way, there is plenty of solo content to get to the cap.  However, from roughly level 18 on there is also enough group only content to get to the cap.  In launch LoTRO there were large stretches of the game that consisted only of group content (much to our chagrin).  At any given level, the best gear is locked behind group quests.  For example, if you actually take the time to do all the quests in Fornost you will end up with gear that makes anything else you can get at that level look dumb. 

If you were expecting a game where you are forced to group to get anything done at all, you picked the wrong MMO.  See FFXI.  LoTRO supports both solo and group play at all but the lowest levels. 

Originally posted by JGMIII

 

I enjoyed my time playing Lotro but after a while I wondered why I was playing a Solo Rpg.

Seriously Why make an MMO so solo friendly that you could quest stack 95% of the time in the game.

 

we all got to remember that just because a game is quote un quote Easy it does not make for a bad game. If they made every game tailored to The "gamer" they would be leaving a lot of community out. ok some times im not best with word so ill give an example. A note first this is not trying to dog any game.

My wife loved FF11 for the fact that most of the concepts were easy to understand and the mechanics/game play was new player (wether it be FF11 or any game) friendly, so she enjoyed it very much.  She tryed WoW,not her cup of tea so to speak, the combat system was  a little advanced for her/semi twitch IE faster paced and such. And im not trying to point it just to  Feamles..just using MY wife as an example,no shovanizim here :)

And as it has been said so many times not every game is for everyone. as most of ya'll ive played my share of MMOs and I find the speed of combat in Lotro a tad slow but refreshing because im not freaking out about 20 differant skills I need to activate in 10 seconds. ok off subject ....Its got a Free trial,try it for your self and you decide :)

http://www.lotro.com/trial/?utm_source=Google_S_UFBrand&utm_medium=Text&utm_campaign=Anniv09Trial0&referral=127284&gclid=CNGX8-2Zu5oCFQkzawodKBNJbg

On one more note IMO community makes up a big part of quality in a game for me, and i have personlly heard very good things about LOTROs community.

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by ougarit

1° there's no challenge. Make a group with 3 run keeper and 2 warden  and you'll finish all dungeons quickly, without one death, without one wipe. It's NOW (was in the closed beta) too easy. Did all GBD in 30 min.  (i'm a casual gamer) At the beginning, it was hard to finish Great Barrow downs, now it's not fun, it's too easy. 

I agree that the RK's and wardens are over powered, how ever stating that they can clear any instance is a gross exaggeration.

 

1 It's not an exageration. Was in a group: 2  RK, 1  hunt, 1 healer and me as warden. The 2 RK finished "alone"  and made ALL the quest, "taking the weathertop", killing mobs in few seconds, we, the other members of the group couldn't do nothing else but looking at these 2 jedi likes, destroying even the troll on the top as it was a low levl mob. Had the same exp with Great barrow downs ... zero wipe in the group, zero fun, 100% run.  RK are really owerpowered. So everyone is playing now RK. I was lotro closed beta tester, the game was really fun on BT. Very fun and interesting. Now there"s zero challenge. I am a casual gamer, not an achiever, and i really think lotro is too casual oriented now. It's too easy.  Really too easy.  I can finish 90% of quests alone with my Warden, I know maybe 10% of the gambits, but it's enough to win and kill all mobs. The game was HARD on beta, really hard, with my hunter; harder but more interesting, now it's (i'm sorry) another clone for hyper casual players.  Lotro changed with/since MoM.

2  The anti exploit bug (not only on evendim, but everywhere...) is really annoying and needs a fix since MONTHS

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Originally posted by ougarit

 

1 It's not an exageration. Was in a group: 2  RK, 1  hunt, 1 healer and me as warden. The 2 RK finished "alone"  and made ALL the quest, "taking the weathertop", killing mobs in few seconds, we, the other members of the group couldn't do nothing else but looking at these 2 jedi likes, destroying even the troll on the top as it was a low levl mob. Had the same exp with Great barrow downs ... zero wipe in the group, zero fun, 100% run.  RK are really owerpowered. So everyone is playing now RK. I was lotro closed beta tester, the game was really fun on BT. Very fun and interesting. Now there"s zero challenge. I am a casual gamer, not an achiever, and i really think lotro is too casual oriented now. It's too easy.  Really too easy.  I can finish 90% of quests alone with my Warden, I know maybe 10% of the gambits, but it's enough to win and kill all mobs. The game was HARD on beta, really hard, with my hunter; harder but more interesting, now it's (i'm sorry) another clone for hyper casual players.  Lotro changed with/since MoM.
2  The anti exploit bug (not only on evendim, but everywhere...) is really annoying and needs a fix since MONTHS

 

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way to exaggerate, and reading comp for the win.

First of all you claim  the RKs can clear any instance based on your experience with 1 instance. I don't think anyone, even the RK's and Wardens  would disagree with the fact  that Turbine has made them a bit too powerful. I am wondering if Turbines latest contests ( you can pretty much sum them up as power leveling contests)  were meant to give them some metrics for future adjustement.

You obviously still have not read the book 8 patch notes that I referenced because the RK's are being toned down with book 8. Maybe not enough or maybe just right , I am glad just to see the matter approached with a scalpel rather than a chainsaw. Ok on your "example"  I would also ask what level those two RKs were but you would probably claim they were level 10 or 20 when in fact they were probably high 30's or even higher. Screenshot or it did not happen as they say.  I have went through and cleared Weathertop myself with my minnie or my LM for kinmates (usually for alts of players that have done it 3 or 4 times) who just  wanted the quest done so they could move on. Even if the RK's were mid to high 20's you had a good group, 3 DD'ers ( rk's and hunter). a tank ( you) and a healer. So WTF is the problem? Maybe you wanted to DD instead of tank, next time get in a group with a guardian maybe.

Secondly yes I am aware that the anti exploit was every where but it was worst in Evendim because of all the water there and it was fixed last week and no it did not last "months". Doing a search on the official forums it looks like it started the first or second week of April going by the anti exploit bug  threads there, so if you had typed " it lasted weeks" instead of months you might be correct. Looks like it took them right at a month to correct it. Now if you want a company that takes months or years to fix anything go play a SOE game or a Funcom game for a while and Turbines "weeks" will seem like heaven to you.

All in all however I would have to give you a 8 on the rant/troll scale because of how you based your complaints on facts, even if they were exaggerated and irrelevant, instead of subjective opinions like most of the complainers who post here. Well done.
 

IT is like Matrix Online sucked so bad, he has nothign else to do but greif fun and positive game communities.

This made my night :P

Discussions like these are such a waste of time. Everybody has an opinion and that's what if is..an opinion. Opinions are allowed to be different. Different games appeal to different people. If one game is boring to you play another. If you like a game and it's not boring to you subscribe and enjoy yourself. The only one responsible for your boredom is you. Each game is created in a way that's interesting to the people who design it and they hope what they find fun others will find fun. LOTRO is my favorite game to date and I've played most of them.

I bought the lifetime subscription and can play or not and I don't feel I need to spend so many hours a month to get my money's worth. Is it a perfect game?...no, there is no such thing. Does it offer the most immersive environment? Yes...In My Opinion. Is it soloable? yes...but not entirely...many many quests require groups to finish. Is the community pleasant and helpful...not on all servers...so I changed servers and have never had as much fun...fun to me is the roleplaying aspect ... the cooperative aspect ... and the immersive aspect...all of which I have at this time.

Boredom is a long ways away. Based on what the Dev's are saying on the future it may never come. As someone stated earlier changes and improvements in weaknesses are done with a scalpel not a broadsword which is the proper approach.

As far as the health of the game...it is still growing...they haven't added any servers but are moving to higher performance servers which are being tested.

So the bottom line is nothing is for everyone. There are as many tastes and opinions as there are people. If the game is right for you then's it's good. So if it's boring go try something else. It's not like the old days when there were only 2 or 3 choices.

Originally posted by Roribuc

Discussions like these are such a waste of time. Everybody has an opinion and that's what if is..an opinion. Opinions are allowed to be different. Different games appeal to different people. If one game is boring to you play another. If you like a game and it's not boring to you subscribe and enjoy yourself. The only one responsible for your boredom is you. Each game is created in a way that's interesting to the people who design it and they hope what they find fun others will find fun. LOTRO is my favorite game to date and I've played most of them.

I bought the lifetime subscription and can play or not and I don't feel I need to spend so many hours a month to get my money's worth. Is it a perfect game?...no, there is no such thing. Does it offer the most immersive environment? Yes...In My Opinion. Is it soloable? yes...but not entirely...many many quests require groups to finish. Is the community pleasant and helpful...not on all servers...so I changed servers and have never had as much fun...fun to me is the roleplaying aspect ... the cooperative aspect ... and the immersive aspect...all of which I have at this time.

Boredom is a long ways away. Based on what the Dev's are saying on the future it may never come. As someone stated earlier changes and improvements in weaknesses are done with a scalpel not a broadsword which is the proper approach.

As far as the health of the game...it is still growing...they haven't added any servers but are moving to higher performance servers which are being tested.

So the bottom line is nothing is for everyone. There are as many tastes and opinions as there are people. If the game is right for you then's it's good. So if it's boring go try something else. It's not like the old days when there were only 2 or 3 choices.

Damn that was a good first post, welcome to the forum :)
 

Originally posted by Roribuc

Discussions like these are such a waste of time. Everybody has an opinion and that's what if is..an opinion. Opinions are allowed to be different. Different games appeal to different people. If one game is boring to you play another. If you like a game and it's not boring to you subscribe and enjoy yourself. The only one responsible for your boredom is you. Each game is created in a way that's interesting to the people who design it and they hope what they find fun others will find fun. LOTRO is my favorite game to date and I've played most of them.

I bought the lifetime subscription and can play or not and I don't feel I need to spend so many hours a month to get my money's worth. Is it a perfect game?...no, there is no such thing. Does it offer the most immersive environment? Yes...In My Opinion. Is it soloable? yes...but not entirely...many many quests require groups to finish. Is the community pleasant and helpful...not on all servers...so I changed servers and have never had as much fun...fun to me is the roleplaying aspect ... the cooperative aspect ... and the immersive aspect...all of which I have at this time.

Boredom is a long ways away. Based on what the Dev's are saying on the future it may never come. As someone stated earlier changes and improvements in weaknesses are done with a scalpel not a broadsword which is the proper approach.

As far as the health of the game...it is still growing...they haven't added any servers but are moving to higher performance servers which are being tested.

So the bottom line is nothing is for everyone. There are as many tastes and opinions as there are people. If the game is right for you then's it's good. So if it's boring go try something else. It's not like the old days when there were only 2 or 3 choices.

Discussions like these are not a waste of time. Many of us come here and have for years to talk seriously about topics like this. The trolling and insulting instead of discussing is a waste of time.

Many need to realize the truth of your last statement. These forums at mmorpg.com are fill with the same old "there are no good mmos". What a bunch of horse poop. Many of us have been in mmos since the first 3d mmo Meridian 59 in 1996. There have never been more choices and good mmos on the market. People need to start playing the mmos for what they are, not some dream mmo that does not exist.

If this is indeed your first post here welcome to the forums. It will be nice to add another thoughtful person to the mix here.

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Roribuc

Discussions like these are such a waste of time. Everybody has an opinion and that's what if is..an opinion. Opinions are allowed to be different. Different games appeal to different people. If one game is boring to you play another. If you like a game and it's not boring to you subscribe and enjoy yourself. The only one responsible for your boredom is you. Each game is created in a way that's interesting to the people who design it and they hope what they find fun others will find fun. LOTRO is my favorite game to date and I've played most of them.

I bought the lifetime subscription and can play or not and I don't feel I need to spend so many hours a month to get my money's worth. Is it a perfect game?...no, there is no such thing. Does it offer the most immersive environment? Yes...In My Opinion. Is it soloable? yes...but not entirely...many many quests require groups to finish. Is the community pleasant and helpful...not on all servers...so I changed servers and have never had as much fun...fun to me is the roleplaying aspect ... the cooperative aspect ... and the immersive aspect...all of which I have at this time.

Boredom is a long ways away. Based on what the Dev's are saying on the future it may never come. As someone stated earlier changes and improvements in weaknesses are done with a scalpel not a broadsword which is the proper approach.

As far as the health of the game...it is still growing...they haven't added any servers but are moving to higher performance servers which are being tested.

So the bottom line is nothing is for everyone. There are as many tastes and opinions as there are people. If the game is right for you then's it's good. So if it's boring go try something else. It's not like the old days when there were only 2 or 3 choices.

Damn that was a good first post, welcome to the forum :)
 

Gotta give credit where it belongs. Excellent post indeed!

DB

Problem with Lotro for me and alot of other fans of the books and movies is that we expected Lotro to be much more....well, much more "lord of the rings". But coming up as it is, the game left us irritated. It left many of us wondering if "kill 8 wolfs", "kill 10 spiders", "bring this bag to old snaggletooth down the road" is all this epic setting is able to provide in a video game.

Turbine didn't aim on catching the epic portion, but went for a themepark+co game aimed at the younger crowd. Come on, "morale" and such...where does all this fit into the dark and rough world of lotro? It could and should have been so much more. It should be vast and epic... and for shure not like  "deliver this cake to aunt flummy in time"

Turbine delivered a solid game, but that's also all about it. To me it feels too much like a "game",  just "another game" based on the same formula and too little like Lotro in the sense of the books. Shure is has it's locations, places and characters for the fans of the books to recognize. But to me it rather feels like the Lotro-license put on a established business-formula (Blizzard's). I almost dare to say that it could have been any other setting/license, would have been the same game.

On a sidenote: WAR kind of hits the same spot. For many fans it's not enough AARRRRGHHH!!, but too much "license put on business formula" -hence they set all their hope on W40k to become the "real" warhammer.

Both IPs deserve their own game. Not a rip-off in disguise.