Really why is this a surprise to people. I understand there is a small core group of people that like darkfall, but even they should realize how everyone else views the game. There has been constant negative feedback on this game since before release and it never ends, but suddenly now there is all this shock that a publication came to the same conclusions? It's fine to enjoy a game that no one else does, but you should at least accept that no one else likes it and not be shocked.

I don't think it's a good trend to get into bashing any review that is bad, it's going to happen. People should also remember a review is still just one guy's opinion and not freak out. The bottom line is it isn't something to insult and yell back and forth, learn to be adults about disagreements.

Originally posted by Thrage

 The time spent playing is pretty irrelevant.  Gamers know within minutes whether or not a game is good, and worth playing.

 

I gave Darkfall many hours over a week's timespan.  I won't be as harsh as the reviewer for Eurogamer, but I would give the game a pretty low score.  Probably 4, 4.5.

 

The really insulting thing about playing the game is that I really, really wanted to enjoy it, but couldn't.  It's like being promised a Snickers bar only to be presented with one that's "Fun Size."

 

If the developers at Aventurine really want their game to be successful, they won't dismiss the review.  They'll carefully read every word, and correct every issue brought up.  If they truly want a "niche game" with very few subscribers, don't expect it to exist for very long.

The last sentence is the true gem of this entire long debacle.

Learn from your critics.

Originally posted by xSh0x

 The review only touched the first 10 minutes of what the game has to offer.  If you want to know what it has to offer.  You need to do a few things first:

You need to join an active and significant clan that plays a part in the political scheme of things.  You need to play the game more than an hour or two a day and for more than one or two weeks.  And finally, you have to realize this is partially a sandbox, meaning you have to have the creativity and intelligence to make your own entertainment or start your own adventures.  

If you can't meet any of those 3 criteria, then you're too casual for DF or at least, you won't enjoy it very much at all.

Then you are saying, there is only 1 way to play the game, and that is your way.  Any other style of gamer will find the game unworthy.

Good enough.  That will make DF unworthy for quite a lot of people who do not want to be dictated on how to play.

First off, I will not enjoy DF, because I do not want to join gangfest guilds, just to gank or not be ganked.  I want to choose who to play with, nice people.  People I get to know over time, and join later.  Too many aholes in this game, and to have to join them right upon log on?   No thanks.

How free can you be in this game which the developer claims you can be free?  You cannot be free, you have to meet the 3 criteria just to play?  Oh yeah you are free.  Indeed.

Thats review seems really unfair. I started playing about 2 weeks ago and am having a blast with raiding and exploring.

Originally posted by daarco

One thing is for sure.....Darkfall will get alot of attention : )

Tasos might not be as stupid as we want him to be.

Oh yeah, a lot of very negative attention.

If tasos wants that.  He got it.

Originally posted by Mackeh

 

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Originally posted by cainhunter

 

I am not commenting on the game or the review.
I find it very unprofessional that Tasos posted that message.  A developer attacking a reviewer (even if the reviewer is a complete idiot) and revealing information about an account  is one of the worst thing a game developer can do.  I do realize that much of what Tasos writes is correct, but it is not proper for a developer to do that.  It would be like someone at Bethesda/Capcom (or whoever) saying the reviewer of at such and such is a idiot and a liar.  That kinda just rubs me the wrong way as it comes off looking like a group of whiny little turds.
A professional company that felt they were wronged by a reviewer would release a statement or post a message fixing the contradictions, but would not attack the reviewer and call them a liar.   Post the corrections explain but do not give out account information to prove your point nor should you attack the reviewer. 
You would think that Tasos and everyone over there would have grown some tough skin do to the amount of dislike/hate this game get, but no they act like a little kid.
 
 
 

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What planet do you come from?

Listen, as a large media organisation you simply can not post a load of lies that could prove financially damaging to another company unless they are built on fact. And if Tasos is to be believed this review is build upon fiction, not fact. I would not be suprised if this ends up in court, if it were my game I would be at my solicitors office first thing in the morning.

It's one thing playing a game for 10 hours and then writing a scathing review, but based on the account logs, it would seem this reviewer simply did not play the game.

Oh and am not a fan boy, I ain't even played the game and have no intention of doing so. BTW google the reviewers name and you will find another scandal about his review of Guitar Hero II, it seems this guy is a total idiot and why a site like EG use him is totally beyond me.

before Tasos got the nerve to go to court, he need to establish a lot of facts.

First, can Tasos prove that the writer plays only 2 minutes.  If the writer can trump up another account, Tasos is in for deep sh*t.  Second, if the court doubts Tasos's evidence, which can easily be faked, Tasos is in deep sh*t.  If the court wonders why ppl need 10 years to figure out DF does not cut it, Tasos is in deep sh*t.

The history of the reviewer might be used to establish a case, but history of Tasos can definitely be used to push Taso's case to hell.  Don't try to pick on the reviewer, if AV has Tasos representing them.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by cainhunter

I am not commenting on the game or the review.

I find it very unprofessional that Tasos posted that message.  A developer attacking a reviewer (even if the reviewer is a complete idiot) and revealing information about an account  is one of the worst thing a game developer can do.  I do realize that much of what Tasos writes is correct, but it is not proper for a developer to do that.  It would be like someone at Bethesda/Capcom (or whoever) saying the reviewer of at such and such is a idiot and a liar.  That kinda just rubs me the wrong way as it comes off looking like a group of whiny little turds.

A professional company that felt they were wronged by a reviewer would release a statement or post a message fixing the contradictions, but would not attack the reviewer and call them a liar.   Post the corrections explain but do not give out account information to prove your point nor should you attack the reviewer. 

You would think that Tasos and everyone over there would have grown some tough skin do to the amount of dislike/hate this game get, but no they act like a little kid.

 

 

 

Its OK, just means no one else will review them. None of the large sites anyway.

 

I'm in total agreement with both posts. It was unprofessional of Tasos to have his feathers so publicly ruffled by posting his review of the review. Jeez, I can almost imagine the little baby tears rolling down his face while he typed out his post to the game boards.

And to have two sets of people who show very differing times in game just makes me think they're all full of crap. The reviewer probably didn't spend much time in game and Tasos is either reading the logs wrong, or just plain out fibbing. And knowing that he'd probably be breaking some kind of law on posting log-ins for any acct, regardless of whose it was, nobody can call him on it.

Originally posted by Majinash

I don't see how he can think any review can drive players away more than... not letting them buy the game.  did the review cover that part? where they don't let you buy the game.  they don't need to say "avoid this game" they can say "try really hard to buy the game, you don't have to worry"

WHat kind of buisness puts its merchandise up for sale at random times with no announcements???

This game is doomed to fail......

2/10?  That is incredibly demianing and nothing short of biased.  He probably ran around took some screenshots and got ganked in the process and said "ive had enough"

Darkfall is hard to start out cause you need to become self sufficent and this takes time.  But i have never had this much fun in a MMO before.  Every place you find is new, everything you do is a different experience.  There have been few times when ive woken up before class to play a game and this is definitally that kind of game.  

It all depends what mindset you have in a game.  If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at.  This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.

Originally posted by Xemous

2/10?  That is incredibly demianing and nothing short of biased.  He probably ran around took some screenshots and got ganked in the process and said "ive had enough"

Darkfall is hard to start out cause you need to become self sufficent and this takes time.  But i have never had this much fun in a MMO before.  Every place you find is new, everything you do is a different experience.  There have been few times when ive woken up before class to play a game and this is definitally that kind of game.  

It all depends what mindset you have in a game.  If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at.  This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.

i just want you to know that you just wrote that i have to not hate your game...  Also id like to point out that the fact that you enjoy the game is in no way an argument against a bad rating, way to post a bunch of rediculous bull shit and act exactly like the people who hate without trying.

Seems a lot of people are gving THEIR review all over again lol.The point of the post was to show that the Eurogamers site used Biased opinions and did not even play the game.It does not matter that i don't thin k DF is much of a game,i will have to side with Tasos here as he did nothing wrong but provide proof that the two writers did not play and gave an UNFAIR biased opinion as i see others in this post doing.

I am perhaps a rare type player as i have played so many different games from as long as 20+ years ago,that i can actually tell where a game is going and how good it is in my first day of playing.That is of course ACTUALLY playing outside of the player creation tool.I saw a post in here an obvious biased one where a poster cries foul on the 2/10 yet says DF is 10x better than AOC...ummm ya biased and not worth a grain of salt.

People need to stick to the facts in this post,it is all about an improperly done review,witch should give the site a bad name forever after this,i know i would not trust anything they have to say.I also thought Tasos handled this VERY professionally as he gave Eurogamer the chance to not only stop the post,but even after doing so could have removed it.So IMO Tasos responded with proof and when Eurogamer did not like how it was going to make them look,they reacted with a screw you,so Tasos posted this proof to the public ,to show what a Biased and poor review site Eurogamer is.

Eurogamer....what a joke.  Usually I respect their reviews, as they seem inline with other trusted review sites, but this is a joke.  I always wondering why eurogamer was the FIRST reviewer to score a game....and im starting to see why that is.  First, why would they not give a staff writer this task?  Second, they admit to only 9 hours played time?  9 HOURS???  When you write a review, you need to treat it as you treat a job, not a hobby.  It is your job to play the game and experience as much as possible in order to make a complete judgement, rather then a half-ass attempt.  I applaud Taso's response.  I do not play Darkfall but I think what AV did, you know, releasing a game that is unique and taking the genre in a new direction, is a good thing. 

Lol to funny. People already new this game was 2/10. What MMO out there does it run hand and hand with? None its stands alone. Its a MMO thats .. hmm like a Yugo. Thats not a VW which is better or the Jag blah blah you get the point. It WOW is what 10 or 8 you really think Darkfall is lmao 5?  The game is awful and most know it and SOME.. Very very little play it. You like the game great keep playing but dont make fun of others like (retarted...how old are we? who uses that word lol) because they dont like the game they TRIED. Its just a game get over it..

Originally posted by Xemous

2/10?  That is incredibly demianing and nothing short of biased.  He probably ran around took some screenshots and got ganked in the process and said "ive had enough"

Darkfall is hard to start out cause you need to become self sufficent and this takes time.  But i have never had this much fun in a MMO before.  Every place you find is new, everything you do is a different experience.  There have been few times when ive woken up before class to play a game and this is definitally that kind of game.  

It all depends what mindset you have in a game.  If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at.  This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.

Or, he played it, didn't like and had some strong views, and, this is the crazy thing, a lot of the people doing the "flaming", also played it and did not like it either.

So, in your estimation, there is only one perspective people should be using to look at this game and shouldn't be forming these crazy little opinions of their own? I mean, because we all know everyone should see the glass as half full, right?

1) The word is "demeaning".

2) Get over it.  People are going to form opinions, and not all opinions are going to line up with your misguided beliefs. 

My "opinion", if you are going to charge big boy prices, and claim your game is the best thing around on the block and more feature complete and ready than anything out there (and Tasos has stated something akin to this before), then get ready to be compared to the big boys and the industry standard.

Really who cares what Taoes think anyways..He lied to his fanbase so many times that people think hes telling the truth..So what, a Guy gave him a bad review..What if he gave Darkfall a ""Hyped up Review"" like we ALL seen on so many games,in turn the game suck so bad you wonder how they scored it in the first place..Look at MMORPG rating on games..I rest my case your honor...

Originally posted by Wyldsong

Originally posted by Xemous

2/10?  That is incredibly demianing and nothing short of biased.  He probably ran around took some screenshots and got ganked in the process and said "ive had enough"

Darkfall is hard to start out cause you need to become self sufficent and this takes time.  But i have never had this much fun in a MMO before.  Every place you find is new, everything you do is a different experience.  There have been few times when ive woken up before class to play a game and this is definitally that kind of game.  

It all depends what mindset you have in a game.  If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at.  This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.

 

Or, he played it, didn't like and had some strong views, and, this is the crazy thing, a lot of the people doing the "flaming", also played it and did not like it either.

So, in your estimation, there is only one perspective people should be using to look at this game and shouldn't be forming these crazy little opinions of their own? I mean, because we all know everyone should see the glass as half full, right?

1) The word is "demeaning".

2) Get over it.  People are going to form opinions, and not all opinions are going to line up with your misguided beliefs. 

My "opinion", if you are going to charge big boy prices, and claim your game is the best thing around on the block and more feature complete and ready than anything out there (and Tasos has stated something akin to this before), then get ready to be compared to the big boys and the industry standard.

If you are reviewing a game which a major game review company is going to used, you need to play the game to its fullest and have an unbiased view.  Clearly, the writer Eurogamer chose fulfilled neither one of these requirements.

Originally posted by Xemous

2/10?  That is incredibly demianing and nothing short of biased.  He probably ran around took some screenshots and got ganked in the process and said "ive had enough"

Darkfall is hard to start out cause you need to become self sufficent and this takes time.  But i have never had this much fun in a MMO before.  Every place you find is new, everything you do is a different experience.  There have been few times when ive woken up before class to play a game and this is definitally that kind of game.  

It all depends what mindset you have in a game.  If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at.  This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.

Once again the standard answer.

There is only one way to like DF, and that is your way.  Others pay to play the game another way, and will not enjoy it.

That pretty much sums it up.  For those who do not like your way of thinking, including your way of labelling everyone else a retarded, DF is bad news for them.  Why would you wonder when most people give DF a thumb down and move on?  You already said that you and only your kind enjoys DF.  There are very few on earth with such a narrow mindset that will immediately label others retarded, simply b/c they are different.

You are different, we know that.  You like DF, we know that.  Its you who do not understand that we are not your kind, and we do not like DF.  Or, you cannot accept that?

Originally posted by Wizardry

Seems a lot of people are gving THEIR review all over again lol.The point of the post was to show that the Eurogamers site used Biased opinions and did not even play the game.It does not matter that i don't thin k DF is much of a game,i will have to side with Tasos here as he did nothing wrong but provide proof that the two writers did not play and gave an UNFAIR biased opinion as i see others in this post doing.

I am perhaps a rare type player as i have played so many different games from as long as 20+ years ago,that i can actually tell where a game is going and how good it is in my first day of playing.That is of course ACTUALLY playing outside of the player creation tool.I saw a post in here an obvious biased one where a poster cries foul on the 2/10 yet says DF is 10x better than AOC...ummm ya biased and not worth a grain of salt.

People need to stick to the facts in this post,it is all about an improperly done review,witch should give the site a bad name forever after this,i know i would not trust anything they have to say.I also thought Tasos handled this VERY professionally as he gave Eurogamer the chance to not only stop the post,but even after doing so could have removed it.So IMO Tasos responded with proof and when Eurogamer did not like how it was going to make them look,they reacted with a screw you,so Tasos posted this proof to the public ,to show what a Biased and poor review site Eurogamer is.

No, profesional would have been to do what any of the big boys would have done.  Ignore it, and move on.  He came off as petulant and somewhat desperate.  All he did was give some sort of credence to the review by even responding.  He should have left it alone and let the "magic" of the game do it's thing, but instead, he opened his mouth, and will draw people that potentially might not have the article to the site.  Kudos to  you Tasos!

(Seriously, Tasos' proof holds as much water as what the interviewer states as his playtime.  For one, logs can be altered, and two, without actually seeing the logs, how do you know he is being truthful? Because we all know the honesty of Tasos...)

 Just read the whole review and even though I haven't played the game, it was a ball buster all over.  Whether the author was correct or not, that was a hell of a review.  I'm sure some of the points he made were true such as the being very familiar with the bind stones, the inventory clutterness, and the constant ganking by some weird named griefer.  So it is safe to say that he at least played the game.

Why should anyone cut Tasos and DFO any slack? How many times does Tasos have to prove that he is unprofessional and  unqualified for his current job. It was bad enough when he did that last interview here on MMORPG.COM and cried like a petulant child about trolls. Now the guy further hurts an already shaky image by nerdraging over a websites opinion? Cmon Tasos wheres your feature complete and ready to play game, after all according to you, it was ready to play in 06.

Go back to delivering pizzas Tasos, Ive seen 10 year olds project more maturity and professionalism than this boob.