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5/06/09 12:18:26 AM#181
Originally posted by Rasputin
LOL The guy doing the so called "review" Was disinterested from the outset. As if he felt like it was using his time up or something. He def did'nt want to be playing the game; you can deduce that just by the tone of how he was writing. He also should never have mentioned other games within his "reviiew". He was to "review" Darkfall and that's where his concentration should have been. He sounds as if he is/was overly familiar with auto this and auto that as opposed to having to manually do certain tasks whilst under risk of attack. And he definately did not like that. So much wrong with what he wrote and how he went about "reviewing". LOL when he said "the few servers Aventurine are running". Yes, he certainly spent a lot of time with DF. I wonder which of those "few" servers he was on? ROFL If Aventurine are smart, they will get a court order slapped on that euro-trash joint and have them closed or forced to take that crap off their site. And re-imburse all $$ lost due to such crap. If nothing else, Aventurine may score some free publicity and gain more interest from people wanting to find out about DF and also why they are freaking at the euro-trash peeps. Good advertising and any publicity is good publicity. |
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5/06/09 12:21:12 AM#182
Originally posted by TheHavok If you are reviewing a game which a major game review company is going to used, you need to play the game to its fullest and have an unbiased view. Clearly, the writer Eurogamer chose fulfilled neither one of these requirements.
Maybe the reviewer find it worse than death penalty to play that game. Seriously, I begin to feel how aweful it will be playing that game, with the kind of mindset of the elite few in that game. And to ask the reviewer to put up with those elites for days to end, just to write a summary pretty much most already know, its neither efficient nor good to the mental health of the reviewer. If we wait till the reviewer to finish his full tour of DFO, we may have to wait for a few more months as he grinds/macro afk, or he died of mental disorder and we never know what he went thru. Oh the other hand, do we know as a fact, that the reviewer does not put in enough efforts? I for one do not take any words from Tasos as proof. On the contrary, whatever he said I will believe in the opposite. |
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5/06/09 12:24:34 AM#183
Originally posted by Axxiss
LOL The guy doing the so called "review" Was disinterested from the outset. As if he felt like it was using his time up or something. He def did'nt want to be playing the game; you can deduce that just by the tone of how he was writing. He also should never have mentioned other games within his "reviiew". He was to "review" Darkfall and that's where his concentration should have been. He sounds as if he is/was overly familiar with auto this and auto that as opposed to having to manually do certain tasks whilst under risk of attack. And he definately did not like that. So much wrong with what he wrote and how he went about "reviewing". LOL when he said "the few servers Aventurine are running". Yes, he certainly spent a lot of time with DF. I wonder which of those "few" servers he was on? ROFL If Aventurine are smart, they will get a court order slapped on that euro-trash joint and have them closed or forced to take that crap off their site. And re-imburse all $$ lost due to such crap. If nothing else, Aventurine may score some free publicity and gain more interest from people wanting to find out about DF and also why they are freaking at the euro-trash peeps. Good advertising and any publicity is good publicity.
It is still a long way to court, and with the good record of Tasos, I think he better clean up his own act first. As for good ad, Tasos pretty much sinks his boat, or sunk boat. He has been a laughing stock for years, and his new act maintains that. Publicity for DF? you mean telling ppl what kind of developer is behind DF, and hence stay away even if I am getting paid to play? Nice try. |
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clwoods
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5/06/09 12:25:43 AM#184
Originally posted by Lidane Somehow, those two things don't compute for me. If you don't play Darkfall, and you don't care about the game, why go so far out of your way to attack a bad review? Also, if you don't play it and have no vested interest in the outcome, how do you know that the reviewer barely played the game? Because of what Tasos said? He doesn't exactly have the best history in that department. I don't play the game. Have no interest in it, either, since FFA PvP with full loot isn't my scene. However, there's no excuse for a developer nerdraging about a bad review of his own game like this. Schneider looked like a whiny bitch who couldn't take criticism when he took out full page ads decrying the bad review Goldstein gave, and Tasos looks just as bad here by attacking the review instead of saying that everyone is entitled to their opinion and he doesn't think the review was fair, but whatever. Tasos reacted poorly to a bad review. He should have known better.
Honestly, if they don't compute it's because you aren't understanding my point man. My whole case here isn't about Darkfall. This could just as easily have been a review for Hello Kitty Island Adventures. The game isn't the point. Look past the game for a second. Also don't look at it as me attacking a bad review. It's not a review. The guy doesn't even have proper knowledge of the basic controls of the game, how is his review supposed to be taken seriously? Eurogamer is a go-to site for a lot of people looking for game reviews. If they are just going to half-ass those reviews then people who count on them are going to be getting a lot of misinformation. That's my issue. That's why I can be angry about this review and still not care about the game. |
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5/06/09 12:27:10 AM#185
To people arguing against Eurogamer reporter spending too little time online to judge the game; If one is not a blind follower, (like I was when I first got into beta, I'll admit that), it doesn't take more than 1 hour to realize that the review is spot on. This game is a disgrace to the computer gaming genre - Aventurine might as well have released a card game or whatnot.
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Arcken
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Joined: 8/14/04
Lets face it, MMOs today are turning into single player console games with a chat box included. |
5/06/09 12:28:39 AM#186
Originally posted by clwoods
Honestly, if they don't compute it's because you aren't understanding my point man. My whole case here isn't about Darkfall. This could just as easily have been a review for Hello Kitty Island Adventures. The game isn't the point. Look past the game for a second. Also don't look at it as me attacking a bad review. It's not a review. The guy doesn't even have proper knowledge of the basic controls of the game, how is his review supposed to be taken seriously? Eurogamer is a go-to site for a lot of people looking for game reviews. If they are just going to half-ass those reviews then people who count on them are going to be getting a lot of misinformation. That's my issue. That's why I can be angry about this review and still not care about the game. To be fair, Tasos' ranting and raving turns me off worse than their game ever could. DF made its bed with lies and misdirection. Guess what folks, its time to sleep in it. DFO deserves every low mark it gets, 100 fold, if only to knock down its elitist players back down the same level with the rest of us. |
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5/06/09 12:28:55 AM#187
Originally posted by TheHavok If you are reviewing a game which a major game review company is going to used, you need to play the game to its fullest and have an unbiased view. Clearly, the writer Eurogamer chose fulfilled neither one of these requirements. Well, the major review company felt differently, and so did quite a few of the people who read the review. Unfortunately, reviews aren't always nice, and unbiased (though often the bias is placed there by the reader's mind's eye, but I digress, I think you know where that thought is heading). Read some movie reviews, book reviews, product reviews, etc...seriously, search the web, magazines, television...you'll find many not so nice reviews that some will call biased and others will call fair. He claims he played for 9 or so hours (Tasos claims otherwise, but you can read another post on my thoughts on the ever truthful and trustworthy Tasos' "proof"), and I don't know about you, but after nine hours, I can generally get a feel for where a game is going, and if I want to spend time and money on it. If it doesn't have that magic something to catch my attention, and make me want to come back and play, then guess what? I don't. And that doesn't make my opinion any less valid than someone who did play and felt that magic something, and kept on trucking. It wasn't his thing, he didn't hold back, and told it how he saw it. Nothing wrong with that. Not all reviews are going to glowing and gushing. It fulfilled the requirements of a review. He played until he had feel for it, and felt he knew what he needed to say. Simple as that. |
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5/06/09 12:31:29 AM#188
Originally posted by Galadourn Exactly and precisely. After playing enough to realise the game is unplayable, the reviewer can stop and start writing. Do you think she/he need to be so stupid and suffer 20 more days online just to be sure that sh*t stinks? That is the job of a reviewer, review, not play the game to the end to write a walk thru. That said, I still need to see solid proof that the reviewer only play for a few minutes. Tasos does not count as proof, he is a counter proof. |
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Arcken
Apprentice Member
Joined: 8/14/04
Lets face it, MMOs today are turning into single player console games with a chat box included. |
5/06/09 12:32:37 AM#189
Originally posted by Wyldsong If you are reviewing a game which a major game review company is going to used, you need to play the game to its fullest and have an unbiased view. Clearly, the writer Eurogamer chose fulfilled neither one of these requirements. Well, the major review company felt differently, and so did quite a few of the people who read the review. Unfortunately, reviews aren't always nice, and unbiased (though often the bias is placed there by the reader's mind's eye, but I digress, I think you know where that thought is heading). Read some movie reviews, book reviews, product reviews, etc...seriously, search the web, magazines, television...you'll find many not so nice reviews that some will call biased and others will call fair. He claims he played for 9 or so hours (Tasos claims otherwise, but you can read another post on my thoughts on the ever truthful and trustworthy Tasos' "proof"), and I don't know about you, but after nine hours, I can generally get a feel for where a game is going, and if I want to spend time and money on it. If it doesn't have that magic something to catch my attention, and make me want to come back and play, then guess what? I don't. And that doesn't make my opinion any less valid than someone who did play and felt that magic something, and kept on trucking. It wasn't his thing, he didn't hold back, and told it how he saw it. Nothing wrong with that. Not all reviews are going to glowing and gushing. It fulfilled the requirements of a review. He played until he had feel for it, and felt he knew what he needed to say. Simple as that. QFT, however you have to remember that if its one thing the fanbois avoid at all cost, its logic. For years I called BS on DF, and even when it finally released and i was right on 99% of my predictions, the fanbois still found ways to try and put a positive spin on this disaster. |
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clwoods
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Joined: 10/20/08
People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. |
5/06/09 12:35:34 AM#190
Originally posted by Arcken
Honestly, if they don't compute it's because you aren't understanding my point man. My whole case here isn't about Darkfall. This could just as easily have been a review for Hello Kitty Island Adventures. The game isn't the point. Look past the game for a second. Also don't look at it as me attacking a bad review. It's not a review. The guy doesn't even have proper knowledge of the basic controls of the game, how is his review supposed to be taken seriously? Eurogamer is a go-to site for a lot of people looking for game reviews. If they are just going to half-ass those reviews then people who count on them are going to be getting a lot of misinformation. That's my issue. That's why I can be angry about this review and still not care about the game. To be fair, Tasos' ranting and raving turns me off worse than their game ever could. DF made its bed with lies and misdirection. Guess what folks, its time to sleep in it. DFO deserves every low mark it gets, 100 fold, if only to knock down its elitist players back down the same level with the rest of us.
I was never really into Darkfall, so I'm not sure what they were promising. I remember seeing videos on youtube that made it seem amazing, but I'm not big on the full loot pvp thing. It sounds a lot like Peter Molyneux in the build up to Fable though. Promising so much that you knew he would fall short.
Thing is though, you have to review the product not the creator. I wouldn't give a Guns and Roses album a bad review just because Axl Rose is a douche.
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Arcken
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Joined: 8/14/04
Lets face it, MMOs today are turning into single player console games with a chat box included. |
5/06/09 12:38:57 AM#191
Originally posted by clwoods To be fair, Tasos' ranting and raving turns me off worse than their game ever could. DF made its bed with lies and misdirection. Guess what folks, its time to sleep in it. DFO deserves every low mark it gets, 100 fold, if only to knock down its elitist players back down the same level with the rest of us.
I was never really into Darkfall, so I'm not sure what they were promising. I remember seeing videos on youtube that made it seem amazing, but I'm not big on the full loot pvp thing. It sounds a lot like Peter Molyneux in the build up to Fable though. Promising so much that you knew he would fall short.
Thing is though, you have to review the product not the creator. I wouldn't give a Guns and Roses album a bad review just because Axl Rose is a douche.
I would give a low score to a company who for years made promises then not only fell short, but fell down face first resulting in a slow bleeding head wound. Tasos represents DFO, and hes represented it about as well as Michael Jackson represents the human race. |
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5/06/09 12:39:42 AM#192
Originally posted by Wyldsong If you are reviewing a game which a major game review company is going to used, you need to play the game to its fullest and have an unbiased view. Clearly, the writer Eurogamer chose fulfilled neither one of these requirements. Well, the major review company felt differently, and so did quite a few of the people who read the review. Unfortunately, reviews aren't always nice, and unbiased (though often the bias is placed there by the reader's mind's eye, but I digress, I think you know where that thought is heading). Read some movie reviews, book reviews, product reviews, etc...seriously, search the web, magazines, television...you'll find many not so nice reviews that some will call biased and others will call fair. He claims he played for 9 or so hours (Tasos claims otherwise, but you can read another post on my thoughts on the ever truthful and trustworthy Tasos' "proof"), and I don't know about you, but after nine hours, I can generally get a feel for where a game is going, and if I want to spend time and money on it. If it doesn't have that magic something to catch my attention, and make me want to come back and play, then guess what? I don't. And that doesn't make my opinion any less valid than someone who did play and felt that magic something, and kept on trucking. It wasn't his thing, he didn't hold back, and told it how he saw it. Nothing wrong with that. Not all reviews are going to glowing and gushing. It fulfilled the requirements of a review. He played until he had feel for it, and felt he knew what he needed to say. Simple as that. I could have spent 9 hours playing warhammer online and would have only experienced tier 1. Tier 1 was a blast. PVP was fun and I received these cool abilities. Now lets say I based my review on only my experience in tier 1. You think ANY warhammer player that progressed past tier 1 that read my review would have said "yea this guy knows what hes talking about?" I doubt it. These aren't single player console games. MMORPGs experience evolves and expands the more you progress. "The WoW forums are and have always been, the true heartbeat of the game. Having said that... RIP wow. You had a good run." - MAnalog 10/13/10 So WoW is dead? |
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5/06/09 12:40:20 AM#193
I hated Darkfall, but I actually played it. From the short time I played the game I can tell that it is apparent that the idiot who wrote this article never even played it. EDIT: Wow, what a terrible sentence. I'm too tired to try and fix it so screw it. "It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde |
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clwoods
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Joined: 10/20/08
People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. |
5/06/09 12:41:22 AM#194
I like Michael Jackson =( |
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5/06/09 12:43:38 AM#195
Originally posted by clwoods
I like Michael Jackson =( OMG Where did he touch you?! |
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Arcken
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Joined: 8/14/04
Lets face it, MMOs today are turning into single player console games with a chat box included. |
5/06/09 12:45:07 AM#196
Originally posted by clwoods
I like Michael Jackson =(
long as you are under 12, im sure the feeling is mutual. bam! That aside, in response to another post. if a game doesnt grab you when you start playing, why should you spend hours trying to get the point where you can enjoy it? If I spend 9 hours playing an MMO, and I dont like it, I certainly dont feel like continuing the torture. |
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5/06/09 12:47:40 AM#197
Originally posted by Zerocyde
You offer an opinion to refute a review. Except that you offer a line, while he at least tried to write up a full page, with information that are confirmed by many other players posting here. Do you think you can contribute more? solid information? We know you like DF, but that does not in anyway sway our doubts about DF. |
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5/06/09 12:49:09 AM#198
Originally posted by Arcken
long as you are under 12, im sure the feeling is mutual. bam! That aside, in response to another post. if a game doesnt grab you when you start playing, why should you spend hours trying to get the point where you can enjoy it? If I spend 9 hours playing an MMO, and I dont like it, I certainly dont feel like continuing the torture.
Exactly.. like I said before I played Vanguard for 5 minutes before I uninstalled it..9/10 people agree that game is garbage. Just from the entire history the look of the game and lack of content and videos, I could play the game 3 1/2 minutes and give the same valid review.
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clwoods
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People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. |
5/06/09 12:55:02 AM#199
Originally posted by oddjobs74
long as you are under 12, im sure the feeling is mutual. bam! That aside, in response to another post. if a game doesnt grab you when you start playing, why should you spend hours trying to get the point where you can enjoy it? If I spend 9 hours playing an MMO, and I dont like it, I certainly dont feel like continuing the torture.
Exactly.. like I said before I played Vanguard for 5 minutes before I uninstalled it..9/10 people agree that game is garbage. Just from the entire history the look of the game and lack of content and videos, I could play the game 3 1/2 minutes and give the same valid review.
As a player/consumer it's fine to make snap judgements like that but when writing a review you have to note the good and the bad. And the good and the bad has to be more than "The Good: I'm never playing it again, The Bad: I lost 3 1/2 minutes of my life". |
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AlloughN
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5/06/09 1:02:27 AM#200
I haven't played Darkfall, and I don't like the fantasy genre. In my opinion, it doesn't matter who is lieing. The correspondent did a very bad job from the start. Allough's review policy: If its a niche game, play it from the angle its supposed to be approached, even if its the angle I don't like. Play the game for 30 days, at least 2 hours a day. Play at least 50% of that time with a guild. Be honest in every detail. ____ Otherwise its a bad review. ((The game I'm writing for right now? Its got bad graphics. But it was never built with people who like graphics in mind. It was built for people who like pen and paper RPG's. I'm a sucker for graphics, I love LOTRO, but I still give SQO a good rating because for its niche, you won't find another as good or even close.))
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