Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by chrisrobhay2

YAY, AoC MADE A COMEBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I hated AoC at launch but now it is my favorite MMO.  (And no I am not a Funcom employee, I'm only 12.)

 

12 and playing an M for Mature title? Naughty,naughty.

Why does your profile say you are 40?

I don't know.  I got bored so I started doing random stuff.

 LOL @ this thread

Originally posted by Vespers

 

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Originally posted by Guillermo197

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Originally posted by Vespers

 

If im not mistaken, AOC had about 800K+ subs at launch and has now dropped to around 100K(Craig Morrsion let that number slip out in an interview a while back).
WAR had maybe 600K+ subs and is now sitting at around 300K(http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/warhammer-online-has-300k-subscribers).
That means that AOC lost around 85% of it's initial playerbase and WAR has only lost about 50%.
If you are currently playing AOC and enjoying your playtime there then that is great but lets be real here for a sec. With WAR maintaining the greater % of players as well as having a larger overall playerbase, I think it is safe to say that Jackdog is correct in assuming that the majority of players DO prefer WAR's PvP over AOC's PvP.

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That article is outdated and based on EA's Q3 2008 report.
WAR sold around 700k boxes in September 2008 and only 350k people subscribed to the game end of september/early october (EA Q3 2008 report). That is were the article's numbers are refering to.
WAR lost more players in the first month then AOC did.
And seeing the state of the European Servers when I gave up on WAR in the middle of January this year I can tell you they had lost a lot more players since early october 2008!
So WAR now having 300k subs my ass. As Phoenix Throne (US) and Karak Eight Peaks (EU) are basically the only 2 servers in WAR with a true HIGH population.
Next to that they maybe have a handful of Medium populated servers left, while the rest of the servers that are still running are deserted! Even after all the transfers back in November/December 2008.
Add to that that GOA is screwing up so bad here in EU since Open Beta and so chased away a good chunk of people because of their screw ups as well.... only adding to the disaster.
Cheers

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You are entitled to your own conjecture.
It doesnt change the fact that AOC sold more units(around 200K more) than WAR yet AOC has LESS subs than WAR. Yes, currently 300K subs in WAR is about right despite what you hope is different.
LOTRO/WOW = better PVE
WAR/EVE = better PVP

Guess AOC might wanna step it up a bit more if they ever plan on getting out of the basement, eh?

I guess you have some reading comprehension problems and have clear difficulties in interpretting time and dates.

WAR doesn't currently have 300k subs. Those numbers mentioned in that article (from early february... it's May now.) are based on EA's Q3 2008 report. You know 2008? We are now in 2009 ter your information.

WAR's current numbers aren't known yet as EA still has to release it's Q4 2008 report! Wich is to be expected around somewhere next week.

Cheers

Originally posted by Guillermo197

I guess you have some reading comprehension problems and have clear difficulties in interpretting time and dates.

WAR doesn't currently have 300k subs. Those numbers mentioned in that article (from early february... it's May now.) are based on EA's Q3 2008 report. You know 2008? We are now in 2009 ter your information.

WAR's current numbers aren't known yet as EA still has to release it's Q4 2008 report! Wich is to be expected around somewhere next week.

Cheers

WARs web page traffic numbers and XFire numbers are steady or rising depending on which setsd of  stats you are referring to. That contradicts your assumption ( desire?) that they are losing subs.  AoC's numbers are down.

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Guillermo197

I guess you have some reading comprehension problems and have clear difficulties in interpretting time and dates.

WAR doesn't currently have 300k subs. Those numbers mentioned in that article (from early february... it's May now.) are based on EA's Q3 2008 report. You know 2008? We are now in 2009 ter your information.

WAR's current numbers aren't known yet as EA still has to release it's Q4 2008 report! Wich is to be expected around somewhere next week.

Cheers

WARs web page traffic numbers and XFire numbers are steady or rising depending on which setsd of  stats you are referring to. That contradicts your assumption ( desire?) that they are losing subs.  AoC's numbers are down.

Next week or so when EA's new financial report releases (Q4 2008 that is) we will see.

And I have no desires nor any hidden agenda's nor am I on some sort of hidden crusade to bring a game or company down to it's knees like you people are doing here on the forums.

Who is making assumptions here? Who is having some sick desires here?

At least not me. I am not the one here on the forums high jacking every positive topic and start trolling in it and in turn go in every negative topic praising the OP.

Cheers

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.  Bashing AoC is a sin?  LOL.  I can go to the NA official forums and find as much doom and gloom as here, and those people are paying customers.

EA released its' FY2009 Q4 numbers, and WAR still has about 300k subs.  http://www.gamespot.com/news/6209194.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1  When can we expect to see AoC sub numbers?

Originally posted by Darth_Osor

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.  Bashing AoC is a sin?  LOL.  I can go to the NA official forums and find as much doom and gloom as here, and those people are paying customers.

 

EA released it's FY2009 Q4 numbers, and WAR still has about 300k subs.  http://www.gamespot.com/news/6209194.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1  When can we expect to see AoC sub numbers?

Wow.. EA released the figures ahead of their intended schedule.

Congratulations to WAR if they still have 300k subs.

Seems Mythic is doing a better job in NA then GOA here in EU, if they managed to hold on to their subs.

 Jackdog, are you reading the correct websites here??? I have som old xfire figures for both AoC and War  from Jan 4. These are hours played on a Sunday. In the mean time both AoC and WAR have had some campagnis to increase their figures so i beleive they are comparable. (you are comparing them in your posts so i guess you are fine with that)
 

        04-Jan .     03 May
AoC    4819       9527

WAR  19757     13577
 

Originally posted by Aceundor

 Jackdog, are you reading the correct websites here??? I have som old xfire figures for both AoC and War  from Jan 4. These are hours played on a Sunday. In the mean time both AoC and WAR have had some campagnis to increase their figures so i beleive they are comparable. (you are comparing them in your posts so i guess you are fine with that)
 

        04-Jan .     03 May
AoC    4819       9527

WAR  19757     13577
 

 

He no longer needs to go by Xfire numbers. The last known figure for AoC subs was slipped out as around 100k, right? EA just released their latest financial report that states WAR currently still has around 300k subscribers. Obviously one game is still much more healthy than the other.

Originally posted by Varking

Originally posted by Aceundor

 Jackdog, are you reading the correct websites here??? I have som old xfire figures for both AoC and War  from Jan 4. These are hours played on a Sunday. In the mean time both AoC and WAR have had some campagnis to increase their figures so i beleive they are comparable. (you are comparing them in your posts so i guess you are fine with that)
 

        04-Jan .     03 May
AoC    4819       9527

WAR  19757     13577
 

 

He no longer needs to go by Xfire numbers. The last known figure for AoC subs was slipped out as around 100k, right? EA just released their latest financial report that states WAR currently still has around 300k subscribers. Obviously one game is still much more healthy than the other.

The 300k number in the financial report isn't just paid subscribers.

It's paid subscribers + registered trial accounts over the course of period + new box registrations that never got past the first month.

You won't hear me saying that WAR is doing worse then AoC atm. But they aren't doing that much better either.

But it's funny that you trolls kept showing off the XFire numbers all the time as pure Facts about the sorry state of AoC, till someone here posts recent XFire numbers that show that WAR and AoC aren't so far apart anymore... then all the sudden it's numbers doesn't matter anymore. Because they show a recoup for AoC and an everdeclining numbers for WAR.

Lol. Just lol.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Varking

Originally posted by Aceundor

 Jackdog, are you reading the correct websites here??? I have som old xfire figures for both AoC and War  from Jan 4. These are hours played on a Sunday. In the mean time both AoC and WAR have had some campagnis to increase their figures so i beleive they are comparable. (you are comparing them in your posts so i guess you are fine with that)
 

        04-Jan .     03 May
AoC    4819       9527

WAR  19757     13577
 

 

He no longer needs to go by Xfire numbers. The last known figure for AoC subs was slipped out as around 100k, right? EA just released their latest financial report that states WAR currently still has around 300k subscribers. Obviously one game is still much more healthy than the other.

 

The 300k number in the financial report isn't just paid subscribers.

It's paid subscribers + registered trial accounts over the course of period + new box registrations that never got past the first month.

You won't hear me saying that WAR is doing worse then AoC atm. But they aren't doing that much better either.

But it's funny that you trolls kept showing off the XFire numbers all the time as pure Facts about the sorry state of AoC, till someone here posts recent XFire numbers that show that WAR and AoC aren't so far apart anymore... then all the sudden it's numbers doesn't matter anymore. Because they show a recoup for AoC and an everdeclining numbers for WAR.

Lol. Just lol.

Actually I never cared for Xfire numbers, I just pointed out there was no need for them. AoCs number total is around 100k, right? WAR is at least double that than and if there are that many trial accounts plus people buying the actual box to make another 100k, to put them at a total of 300k, I would say that game is MUCH more healthy than AoC. I bought, subscribed, played both of those games for a few months and recently quit both in the same month and it just seems to be WAR was a better overall game, and it is obvious it has a higher population. I am neither a hater or supported or either game, I just wanted to point out WAR is doing better on the market than Conan as some of their arguments in this thread were just laughable.

Originally posted by Varking

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Varking

Originally posted by Aceundor

 Jackdog, are you reading the correct websites here??? I have som old xfire figures for both AoC and War  from Jan 4. These are hours played on a Sunday. In the mean time both AoC and WAR have had some campagnis to increase their figures so i beleive they are comparable. (you are comparing them in your posts so i guess you are fine with that)
 

        04-Jan .     03 May
AoC    4819       9527

WAR  19757     13577
 

 

He no longer needs to go by Xfire numbers. The last known figure for AoC subs was slipped out as around 100k, right? EA just released their latest financial report that states WAR currently still has around 300k subscribers. Obviously one game is still much more healthy than the other.

 

The 300k number in the financial report isn't just paid subscribers.

It's paid subscribers + registered trial accounts over the course of period + new box registrations that never got past the first month.

You won't hear me saying that WAR is doing worse then AoC atm. But they aren't doing that much better either.

But it's funny that you trolls kept showing off the XFire numbers all the time as pure Facts about the sorry state of AoC, till someone here posts recent XFire numbers that show that WAR and AoC aren't so far apart anymore... then all the sudden it's numbers doesn't matter anymore. Because they show a recoup for AoC and an everdeclining numbers for WAR.

Lol. Just lol.

Actually I never cared for Xfire numbers, I just pointed out there was no need for them. AoCs number total is around 100k, right? WAR is at least double that than and if there are that many trial accounts plus people buying the actual box to make another 100k, to put them at a total of 300k, I would say that game is MUCH more healthy than AoC. I bought, subscribed, played both of those games for a few months and recently quit both in the same month and it just seems to be WAR was a better overall game, and it is obvious it has a higher population. I am neither a hater or supported or either game, I just wanted to point out WAR is doing better on the market than Conan as some of their arguments in this thread were just laughable.

You are wrong about the healthy part.

If you are on a somewhat lower populated server in Age of Conan, you can at least still fully enjoy the game in all it's aspects.

In WAR if you are not at least on a Medium High populated server.... you are screwed.

WAR can have almost double the amount of paid subscribers then Age of Conan. Fact is that WAR has way too many servers, from wich most of them are low populated! Even still after the transfers end last year!

The average player doesn't give a damn about total number of subsribers. They care about server population and their ingame experience.

At this moment I have more fun and a far better experience in Age of Conan, then I had in WAR the moment I gave up on it half january this year.

That is the problem with WAR and one of it's major design flaws! It's damn way too population dependend!

And rerolling to a High-High server like Karak Eight Peaks (EU) or Phoenix Throne (US) is no point, because the high pop servers suffer from severe lag, combat delays and disconnect issues.

So the only choice you have is rolling one of the handful Medium pop servers and hope for the best. lol.

Good luck. As I was one of those Medium pop servers and we still lagged and disconnected all the time during RvR fights.

Cheers

or you can go with these numbers

              Sunday  April 12     Sunday  May 03

AoC       15470                      9527                        - 39%

WAR      16002                      13577                       -16%

LoTRO   15606                       16190                      +4%

Don't suppose the timing of the XFire contests and free trials  could play into could it do you, or is it that AoC is losing 39% of it's players in the last month? Amazing isn't it? I wonder if WAR could have been staring free trials and just finished with a XFire  contest in early January  hmmmmmmmm?

These threads and posts don't really matter anyway. Just on these forums alone the fanboys have made at least 100K posts trying to spin numbers and the news into something positive, FC has merged servers, gave free trials and is now redesigning the core systems and the game is still bleeding subs. The 1st quarter report will be interesting.

Originally posted by Jackdog

or you can go with these numbers

              Sunday  April 12     Sunday  May 03

AoC       15470                      9527                        - 39%

WAR      16002                      13577                       -16%

LoTRO   15606                       16190                      +4%

 

Don't suppose the timing of the XFire contests and free trials  could play into could it do you, or is it that AoC is losing 39% of it's players in the last month? Amazing isn't it? I wonder if WAR could have been staring free trials and just finished with a XFire  contest in early January  hmmmmmmmm?

 

These threads and posts don't really matter anyway. Just on these forums alone the fanboys have made at least 100K posts trying to spin numbers and the news into something positive, FC has merged servers, gave free trials and is now redesigning the core systems and the game is still bleeding subs. The 1st quarter report will be interesting.

If you are going to look at xfire numbers you can also mention that AoC is in pos.28 now, a couple of months ago they were around pos.40-45.

In addition xfire don't work with the AoC DX10 client, so people using DX10 are not registered...

Originally posted by Jackdog

or you can go with these numbers

              Sunday  April 12     Sunday  May 03

AoC       15470                      9527                        - 39%

WAR      16002                      13577                       -16%

LoTRO   15606                       16190                      +4%

 

Don't suppose the timing of the XFire contests and free trials  could play into could it do you, or is it that AoC is losing 39% of it's players in the last month? Amazing isn't it? I wonder if WAR could have been staring free trials and just finished with a XFire  contest in early January  hmmmmmmmm?

 

These threads and posts don't really matter anyway. Just on these forums alone the fanboys have made at least 100K posts trying to spin numbers and the news into something positive, FC has merged servers, gave free trials and is now redesigning the core systems and the game is still bleeding subs. The 1st quarter report will be interesting.

Jackdog, dont be silly. Your post are usually a lot more reasonable than this above. You know as well as I that on Jan 4th neither AoC or WAR had any campagnis. You also know that both WAR and AOC have held campagins since then. Just look at the traffic on alexa and compare their sites. Sunday april 12th was at the peak of AoC marketing campagin and its therefore natural that its fallen a lot since then.

Now what can we say about these two games. Are they doing well? No they are most certanly not doing weill neither of them. Is WAR doing better than AoC, yes absolutley. They have more subs, more fans and more traffic.

Is WAR declining, yes there is a stedy decline. The game is in trouble.

Is AoC growing. Maybe not, but its certanly not declining. The turnaround work done by Craig Morrison has had an effect.

WAR was released later than AoC and therefore AoC has had more time to turn the game around. WAR may still accheive the same effect as AoC has.

Originally posted by Guillermo197 

And rerolling to a High-High server like Karak Eight Peaks (EU) or Phoenix Throne (US) is no point, because the high pop servers suffer from severe lag, combat delays and disconnect issues.

So the only choice you have is rolling one of the handful Medium pop servers and hope for the best. lol.

Good luck. As I was one of those Medium pop servers and we still lagged and disconnected all the time during RvR fights.

Cheers

I think you should phrase your complaints a little better.  "You" had severe lag, "you" had combat delays and disconnect issues.  Not everyone has these problems. 

I play with about 12 of my real life friends.  I have been playing since beta and since the game was released I think I have CTD a total of 2 times, and neither time was during RvR.  Only one of our guild members has any issues with stuttering, low fps, and disconnects (a few times a week) but he's running a 5 year old system.

I'm also not sure what these combat delays are you're talking about?  If you mean the combat lag that plagued the game at released... well that was fixed about a month after the game was released.

Oh.. and I've played exclusively on Phoenix Throne since release. 

While I'm sure you had these issues, not everyone does.  Stating your own personal experiences as if everyone has the same issues is innacurate.

Originally posted by AceundorIs WAR declining, yes there is a stedy decline. The game is in trouble.

 

Jackdog, dont be silly. Your post are usually a lot more reasonable than this above. You know as well as I that on Jan 4th neither AoC or WAR had any campagnis.

I was pointing out the silliness of trying tio use Xfire numbers when both companies have been having Xfire promoions and free trials. AoC jumped from the low 40's to the high teens when they had thier promotion earlier this month and once it was over has been slipping backwards ever since, exactly what happened to WAR. Only difference was WAR was in mid teens during thier contest and have slipped back to the high teens AND low 20's over the course of several months WHILE AoC went from high teens back to the high 20's and i sflirting with 30's in just a couple of weeks.

Is AoC growing. Maybe not, but its certanly not declining. The turnaround work done by Craig Morrison has had an effect.

I don't think WAR is in near as much trouble as AoC. With 1.05 the core game design for AoC is changing from skill based to equip[ment based. I have not seen Mythic get to a point where they are in so much trouble they have had to do that, let alone merge their servers.

WAR was released later than AoC and therefore AoC has had more time to turn the game around. WAR may still accheive the same effect as AoC has.

Turn around? all I see is it is not bleeding subs quite as fast as it was. Game is still losing money as we will see next week. Big difference is FC is a small publicy held one trick pony company. EA has more money to pour into WAR and quite frankly double if not triple AoC's population.

I was going to come up with a snappy answer, but I'd rather play AoC.

 To OP: Bashing a game you don't know is just silly, but I guess you know that now.

Still, it takes guts to admit being wrong. Lots'a hard-core AoC-bashers that still haven't gotten over the buggy launch,  a year ago.

Well, gotta go, cya in Hyboria:)

Yeah i was impressed also by the trial . Now i have 10 day left to my subscription and i notice that i don't log anymore.Already all that *Omph* is already gone.Exactly like it did 1 years ago.I was amazed and 10 day before my subscription finish , i simply cancelled my account.

I'm simply waiting for mortal online.I just can't play anymore any theme park MMO . It's simply boring , boring and boring.The community in aoc's also quite bleh . It's feel like a single player game. Everyone do their own crap(questing and ganking) and no one give a hell  about others.The global it's just a big whiney fest and a big guild spam invite.

PVP'ing? If you want to pvp at 80 just sit in Kheshatta . If you want to PVp while leveling just gank everything that talk to a vendor or quest .*Hyboria it's a brutal world* . Say The guy rhat will never ever Roleplay . What a pitiful excuse.We live also in a brutal world . But law exist.

PVE and FFA PVP just don't mix together.No one  want to pvp 24/24.Some ppl want to level  to exprience their toon at 80 with all their abilities.If i wanted to kill kill kill  only. I simply gonna play counter-strike.The PVE server also it's not my cup of tea.It's just a big mob steal quest.yesterday  i cleaned a path to a boss for a quest in a pve server.Than suddently 2-3 went and killed the quest boss.They /laughed and *ran* away .. It's always the same crap.I just can't play  anymore stupid theme park mmo .Everyone seem to *rush* . Because all ppl care it's getting the most level the quicker possible.

Theme park mmorpg suck ass. Please please MO release already.

a theme park MMORPG with FFA PVP simply don't work.

Originally posted by Jackdog

I don't think WAR is in near as much trouble as AoC. With 1.05 the core game design for AoC is changing from skill based to equip[ment based. I have not seen Mythic get to a point where they are in so much trouble they have had to do that, let alone merge their servers.

War merged some servers before AoC.... mind you they do it a bit at a time such that it's more dynamic server admin (at the beginning they added servers then, after population cooled, reduced them) than the "Event" that was AoC. But they still do drop the server count every month or so as they merge and merge....

I do find it somehow odd that AoC is punished severely for merges yet people don't realize the same thing is happening in WAR