Right,  I'm gonna tell you a story about my best mate today. We game together all the time and discuss MMO's and games and such. We also enjoy the occasionally talk about game design (Since I do 3D modeling and all that sort of stuff as well), but enough of that stuff. You know how we play mmorpgs and talk about them? There is a problem with one particular MMO out there. You know, the one that everyone here just loves (Lol) the plain, basic and  watered down one? Yep, you guessed it WoW (*Ducks from flying keyboards*) My mate has been playing the game for 3.5 years now... I've tried to explain (so much that it bores me to death) how WoW is a simple game and that it isn't fun. (Yeah we all know its flaws. I don't need to go into that here)

I'm not going to go into detail. He just wont quit... He even said to me he's thinking of qutting many, many times before. He even knows that its sort of boring and all that crap that we all know about. He said he was going to quit on msn today so I asked for proof. He sent me a jpeg file of an account page. It had me fooled ( Even when I saw that it had my last login and account created dates - but I wasnt paying attention) So he eventually told me that he didn't quit and was like "OWNNNEEED" rofl.  I used to play WoW and had a hell of a rough time but also some EXTREMLEY good memories. I eventually realised all its flaws after hitting 73 (I quit like 12 times and came back :/  ) and just stopped. I've sent my mate countless documents compling arguements from these forums and others of WoW's flaws...but what I dont understand is the fact he is thinking about qutting but just wont. What can I do? He seems like a naive child.

Beileve it or not but I actually got him WAR from my own money just to get him to stop and see other things.  We had some fun but he was constantly judging the game ( I know war sucks. I don't play it now) Thats the only other mmorpg has played tho. He actually, on numerous times, said that it was better than WoW. But eventually went back. I constantly try to get him to realise that all he is doing is going on WoW (with a minimized screen so he can talk to me on msn and stuff -  emmersion or what? lol) and doing dailies. His guild disbanded so now he is jumping around Dalaran waiting for something to happen.

Thats all I can be arsed to type. Any help lol? Peace.

Like it or not...

WoW is simple, but can be fun. And aren't we playing games for them to be fun instead of difficult?

And as long as he is having a good time.. whats wrong with it?

Originally posted by Thatim

Like it or not...

 

WoW is simple, but can be fun. And aren't we playing games for them to be fun instead of difficult?

 

And as long as he is having a good time.. whats wrong with it?

Dude, he isn't finding it fun. Didn't you read my post? He is guildess and doing nothing. Countless times he's thot of quiting.. he just wont. Thats why I'm asking for help on what to do :D

 He obviously finds it the best alternative out there. There isn't a thing you can do, why even ask? You think there is some magical solution in the forums? I think you are probably just screwed ...stop trying so hard.

Originally posted by Bama1267

 He obviously finds it the best alternative out there. There isn't a thing you can do, why even ask? You think there is some magical solution in the forums? I think you are probably just screwed ...stop trying so hard.

Woke up on the wrong side of your bed huh?

Sounds like the problem is more with the OP not able to accept the fact that his friend is still having fun.  And if his friend isn't having fun, then he will quit just like the millions of us that do with video games on a regular basis.

Also, I couldn't help but laugh out loud when you said you showed your friend arguments on this website why WoW is bad.  This website is a horrible indication on what is good and what is bad.  Its like starting a website about music and having fans of all genres and artist argue about who and what is the best.

Yep, many still like Britney Spears the same way many like WoW :P (JOKIN)

Originally posted by Biohazard931

Originally posted by Bama1267

 He obviously finds it the best alternative out there. There isn't a thing you can do, why even ask? You think there is some magical solution in the forums? I think you are probably just screwed ...stop trying so hard.

 

Woke up on the wrong side of your bed huh?

 If it sounded harsh, no I didnt wake up the wrong side of the bed. I just found you to be the one who is childish for coming to the forum for advice. Seems to be a futile effort If you ask me.

...also from the sound of the joke he pulled on you  ... sounds as If you are the person who has the most problem with it.

Well, that's the effect some MMORPGs have on people. They spend so much time trying to improve their characters that it is hard to leave it all behind without the feeling of wasted time. And he probably had so much fun in WoW some time ago that he sees no alternative other than wandering there expecting it to happen again. Well, we know it probably won't. I don't really know how you could convince him to stop, but it seems like he is gaining nothing from WoW at all.

Originally posted by Biohazard931

Dude, he isn't finding it fun. Didn't you read my post? He is guildess and doing nothing. Countless times he's thot of quiting.. he just wont. Thats why I'm asking for help on what to do :D

Of course he isn't, MMOs are fun tgether, not soloing guildless.

My advice: Sounds like at least you needs a new game and he need someone to play with. Try a free trial of some game together. EQ2, LOTRO, AoC or Vanguard should do the trick. Check out the game info about them here.

If you aint having fun after a few days, try something else.

He can always try to find another Wow guild of course but everything will starts to get boring eventually, you can only do the same content so many times and still having fun, even if you do it with fun people. Being of Wow at least until the next expansion is probably good for him but only he can truly judge tha.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Biohazard931

Dude, he isn't finding it fun. Didn't you read my post? He is guildess and doing nothing. Countless times he's thot of quiting.. he just wont. Thats why I'm asking for help on what to do :D

 

Of course he isn't, MMOs are fun tgether, not soloing guildless.

My advice: Sounds like at least you needs a new game and he need someone to play with. Try a free trial of some game together. EQ2, LOTRO, AoC or Vanguard should do the trick. Check out the game info about them here.

If you aint having fun after a few days, try something else.

He can always try to find another Wow guild of course but everything will starts to get boring eventually, you can only do the same content so many times and still having fun, even if you do it with fun people. Being of Wow at least until the next expansion is probably good for him but only he can truly judge tha.

^This is good advice.

Yeah WoW is an ok game I recetly went back to it to play with some cousins and its fun for a month and then I realize why I quit time and time again.   Its just the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over again.    Gather these things, go kill this. blah blah blah. Then go grind for gear and then before you know it the gear you just got  sucks compared to the stuff you can get in the next dungeon.  SO its off to the next dungeon that people run through because they have done it a million times just to get that gear so your not as gimped compared to all these people that have nice gear and make fun of you for having shitty gear. (Which I don't really care about them making fun, i play how I wan't to play.)

Then you solo quests because nobody wants to group up unless they get some kick ass loot.  I so wish there wes a game that forced grouping like FFXI but wasn't as time consuming.  Id go back to FFXI if it didn't take forever to get anything done, games aren't my main priority right now but  all these other  casual games are just to casual for me.   I just want something in the middle.

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Biohazard931

Dude, he isn't finding it fun. Didn't you read my post? He is guildess and doing nothing. Countless times he's thot of quiting.. he just wont. Thats why I'm asking for help on what to do :D

 

Of course he isn't, MMOs are fun tgether, not soloing guildless.

My advice: Sounds like at least you needs a new game and he need someone to play with. Try a free trial of some game together. EQ2, LOTRO, AoC or Vanguard should do the trick. Check out the game info about them here.

If you aint having fun after a few days, try something else.

He can always try to find another Wow guild of course but everything will starts to get boring eventually, you can only do the same content so many times and still having fun, even if you do it with fun people. Being of Wow at least until the next expansion is probably good for him but only he can truly judge tha.

 

^This is good advice.

 More like common sense, but I guess that wasn't the theme of this thread. I doubt EQ2, LOTRO or Vanguard would do much to keep his buddy from going back. But it should do enough to make him leave temporarily. Then a month from now, the OP will be right back here wondering what to do.

Originally posted by TheHavok

Sounds like the problem is more with the OP not able to accept the fact that his friend is still having fun. 

My thought exactly. The "everybody knows WoW sucks" and "we all know WoW's flaws" comments adds to that impression.

And with such an attitude, no wonder his friend might rather tell him he's considering quitting that bother discussing or sharing (actual) views. ;-)

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Biohazard931

Dude, he isn't finding it fun. Didn't you read my post? He is guildess and doing nothing. Countless times he's thot of quiting.. he just wont. Thats why I'm asking for help on what to do :D

 

Of course he isn't, MMOs are fun tgether, not soloing guildless.

My advice: Sounds like at least you needs a new game and he need someone to play with. Try a free trial of some game together. EQ2, LOTRO, AoC or Vanguard should do the trick. Check out the game info about them here.

If you aint having fun after a few days, try something else.

He can always try to find another Wow guild of course but everything will starts to get boring eventually, you can only do the same content so many times and still having fun, even if you do it with fun people. Being of Wow at least until the next expansion is probably good for him but only he can truly judge tha.

Thanks man. I have tried to tell him about the other games, the legendary ones that forged the mmo world. You may not beileve this but he calls them "basement games" and he thinks if its not made by WoW its just a crappy game. Hopefully he was only joking...

Edit : I'm playing older games and I've played most trials out there. He is just stuck on WoW. I always bring up the idea of playing together. I tried to get him to go and play Daoc for fun but he refused.

Meh, been there, done that, probely going to do it again.

Every now and then i resub for WoW, i spend over 2000 hours in the darn game. ( proof of 1395 hours here http://www.xfire.com/profile/agoden/ )

The game bores me to death, but theres absolutely nothing I'd prefer over WoW, I'm addicted to it, even though it bores me, i keep going back, i play it to see if anythings changed, then i quit again.. A week after that I sometimes sub again, just because theres absolutely nothing out there as good as WoW. ( Thats a personal opinion, i know other people think there is )

I've luckily found the magic that is Mount & blade now, It's singleplayer.. but it keeps me from subbing for WoW.. The minigames in freerealms are quite nice to.

Then theres Drift city to do some racing.. And savage 1 and 2 if i feel like killing others..

You just have to find games that keep his attention like WoW does i suppose.. Try to show him some games you like, and never say " You can play this instead of WoW " he just has to change by himself.. If he likes WoW he'll keep playing and theres not a single thing you can do about it.

Originally posted by Biohazard931

He seems like a naive child.

It's pretty clear that the naivety runs both ways.

If he's still playing the game after 3.5 years; if all your badgering and harassment hasn't convinced him to quit then there's a pretty simply explanation: He still enjoys the game and doesn't want to quit.

When he's agreeing with you about the games flaws and such, there's a 99% probability that he's just trying to get you to shut the hell up about it and stop bothering him. I mean, seriously .. repeatedly compiling documentary articles ridiculing the chosen pastime of your "friend" .. ?

If i were in his place, if a friend of mine was attempting to forcibly impose their opinions onto me and trying to deny my right to have my own preferences .. I'd have slapped the crap out of them by now.

Sorry, but I doubt your friend will switch games, no matter how bored of WoW he is.  I got 2 friends to try WAR and all they did was compare everything to WoW (the same 2 people who got me to try WoW when I was playing FFXI).  They didn't give the game a chance at all.  They didn't even get passed level 5 to decide the game sucks, and WoW is the best.  I have a cousin I got to play WoW.  He originally played EQ and refused to play WoW.  He finally decided to play with me and his bro 2 1/2 years later.  We tried to get him to try WAR, but he refuses cuz nothing is better than WoW. 

My point is, most WoW players are not willing to give other games a chance.  Also, I've decided not to invite friends to MMOs.  Either they're bitching about how it isn't WoW, or I find out I don't like the game as much anymore, but they do.  Then if I quit they're like wtf. 

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

Originally posted by Biohazard931

He seems like a naive child.

It's pretty clear that the naivety runs both ways.

If he's still playing the game after 3.5 years; if all your badgering and harassment hasn't convinced him to quit then there's a pretty simply explanation: He still enjoys the game and doesn't want to quit.

When he's agreeing with you about the games flaws and such, there's a 99% probability that he's just trying to get you to shut the hell up about it and stop bothering him. I mean, seriously .. repeatedly compiling documentary articles ridiculing the chosen pastime of your "friend" .. ?

If i were in his place, if a friend of mine was attempting to forcibly impose their opinions onto me and trying to deny my right to have my own preferences .. I'd have slapped the crap out of them by now.

Maybe OPs friend doesen't even know they are friends.

What I dont understand is why you care so much? If he doesn't want to quit (which if he keeps playing he obviously doesn't want to) why are you trying to make him quit? Either join him or move on and play a different game by yourself. And no i don't play WoW.