Trending Games | WildStar | Elder Scrolls Online | World of Warcraft | Guild Wars 2

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,736,433 Users Online:0
Games:713  Posts:6,174,495
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

News & Features Discussion  » EVE Online: Social Manipulation

13 posts found
  Stradden

Managing Editor

Joined: 7/08/05
Posts: 6729

 
OP  4/28/09 12:05:30 PM#1

MMORPG.com EVE Online Correspondent Tom Wilson takes a look at the idea of social manipulation in CCP's sandbox space MMO.

When you take a little bit of time to think about it, social manipulation is one of the core tenets of being violent in any MMO. Minds are easily moulded; people are easily coerced if the correct words are used. Situations are caused through words, and words alone, and these words can cause more damage to the parties involved than say...an individual ramming ammunition down your throat till you submit to his or her way of thinking.

Prey on the weak; threaten to grind the capsuleer running his mouth off on the local channel into dust; despite what people may say; social manipulation in New Eden is a grisly affair. It requires a certain lack of morals, a selfishness that borders on the perverse, and an arguably sadistic attitude. The people that do it generally have one goal in mind: ISK. In a game like Eve, where loss has a physical effect on both your personal emotions, these entrepreneurs are playing for big stakes. The randomness that is human decision making means that you have yourself a game within a game, where the power of language can be the deciding factor between wealth and ruin.

Read A Brief Look at Social Manipulation in Eve Online

Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com

  atambo

Novice Member

Joined: 7/30/04
Posts: 21

4/28/09 2:01:42 PM#2

A better name for this article would be social engineering...


http://www.alextambellini.com

  wese

Novice Member

Joined: 4/15/04
Posts: 21

4/28/09 2:47:15 PM#3

Slightly off topic..

I always wonder how long it takes for a beginner to be able for a newbie to jump into the action.
Since like Veterans already got their T2, Implants etc. your just no match for them.

  User Deleted
4/28/09 2:56:42 PM#4

Read through the posts here. Many of them answer that question for you.

  DevilXaphan

Novice Member

Joined: 11/23/06
Posts: 1153

Bringing teal to your lives since 1998.

4/28/09 3:00:24 PM#5
Originally posted by wese

Slightly off topic..

I always wonder how long it takes for a beginner to be able for a newbie to jump into the action.
Since like Veterans already got their T2, Implants etc. your just no match for them.

 

Week or two at most, can't take on the vets with firepower but use ECM, electronic warfare, support fire from a distance. Group warfare will be what you most need to get into to start off. Lots of support you can use first off while you train the nessessary skills to get where you want to, just find a good pvp corp that will take you in but make sure you are dedicated to this type of playstyle as most won't waste their time if your not.

  Airwren

Novice Member

Joined: 5/12/08
Posts: 654

4/28/09 11:38:47 PM#6

This is a very good insight into one of the things that makes Eve truly unique in the MMO genre.  It's also the one thing that most new players cannot understand.  Most MMO companies flat out ban players from "stealing" or "scamming" another player.  Eve not only doesn't do this, they actually promote this type of behavior.  I have said this before and I'll state it again here.  No matter how hard MMO players try, we tend to invest ourselves in our characters and because we do so, they often become a reflection of who we are in real life.  In my experience, rare is the player who can avoid this phenomenon.  As the article writer stated, there is usually something in your character/nature in real life that appeals to this type of behavior in game.  I applaud those that get away with this sort of thing because it can have a huge impact on the political climate and the power struggle that is Eve Online. 

  hinkhouse

Novice Member

Joined: 2/14/09
Posts: 29

4/29/09 9:30:31 AM#7

I think the reasoning in the article is a bit shakey. From the first sentence even. OK, i've thought about it a moment, and I DON'T think "social manipulation is one of the core tenets of being violent in any MMO".  It doesn't even sound like social manipulation is a core tenet of being violent in Eve. All that is described is someone stealing from their own corporation (guild). And he describes a particular example of this type of theft: where the theft is planned from the beginning--which apparently makes it social manipulation? The only difference from other MMOs is that a GM in Eve isn't going to step in and make things right. 

 

The article seems to be more about guild/corporation management, which does involve social manipulation, and in fact can be a very sandboxy thing, but that's true in any MMO, not just Eve.

 

 

  HYPERI0N

Novice Member

Joined: 1/26/08
Posts: 3541

Trader of EvE Online since July 2003.

4/29/09 12:22:07 PM#8
Originally posted by hinkhouse

I think the reasoning in the article is a bit shakey. From the first sentence even. OK, i've thought about it a moment, and I DON'T think "social manipulation is one of the core tenets of being violent in any MMO".  It doesn't even sound like social manipulation is a core tenet of being violent in Eve. All that is described is someone stealing from their own corporation (guild). And he describes a particular example of this type of theft: where the theft is planned from the beginning--which apparently makes it social manipulation? The only difference from other MMOs is that a GM in Eve isn't going to step in and make things right. 

 

The article seems to be more about guild/corporation management, which does involve social manipulation, and in fact can be a very sandboxy thing, but that's true in any MMO, not just Eve.

 

 

Not to the degree that EvE does it.

Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

  Torik

Elite Member

Joined: 1/02/09
Posts: 2304

4/29/09 12:51:13 PM#9

No matter how someone tries to describe it, corporate theft/sabotage in EVE is primarily a matter of exploiting the very weak corporate management tools in the game.   There are some very simple ways in which most of these thefts could have been prevented but the game lacks the tools to implement them.   Unless you want to seriously handicap your corporation, you have to take the risk that a rogue can clean you out. 

  Roseburn

EVE Online Correspondent

Joined: 4/27/09
Posts: 5

There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's VERDA.

4/29/09 5:19:00 PM#10


Originally posted by hinkhouse

I think the reasoning in the article is a bit shakey. From the first sentence even. OK, i've thought about it a moment, and I DON'T think "social manipulation is one of the core tenets of being violent in any MMO".  It doesn't even sound like social manipulation is a core tenet of being violent in Eve. All that is described is someone stealing from their own corporation (guild). And he describes a particular example of this type of theft: where the theft is planned from the beginning--which apparently makes it social manipulation? The only difference from other MMOs is that a GM in Eve isn't going to step in and make things right. 
 
The article seems to be more about guild/corporation management, which does involve social manipulation, and in fact can be a very sandboxy thing, but that's true in any MMO, not just Eve.
 
 


You're really missing the point.


When I wrote it, it was a verbal splurge of my thoughts on social manipulation ingame, and the effect that it has on people. What it progressed into, and I'll concede on this, was a little bit of a tip as to how to avoid it. I'll be honest here and say I'm writing for a very mixed group of people. Writing immensely biased articles isn't on my agenda, at least not until I've got a bridge over this ocean.


It's not an article to tell you how to play the game, nor is it a generalization to cover all MMOs because, in truth, no other game offers you the freedom to scam, lie, steal and generally screw over people to the degree that CCP do. Telling you how to scam, the different ways you can do it, and the nuts and bolts of the whole process would be counter-productive. It isn't the sort of thing that anyone can do. As I said in the article, cognitive capacity is a necessity, and a lot of it.


Overall, I'm sorry that you didn't like it, and I can't stop you from taking it out of context; after all, this is the internet. I honestly don't know if you even play the game. No matter, though. Criticism of any kind is appreciated, even if it is ironically vague.


Your opinion. It means nothing to me. How about that?

  uttaus

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/06/05
Posts: 119

5/01/09 10:14:37 AM#11

My experience with Eve has been tortuous (to myself) at best.

I am by nature a peaceful non violent person.  However the behavior, trash talk, and manipulation of the seeder members of Eve are such that had I been in the same room with those people, they would have been in the hospital I would have been in jail.

I'm not saying there are not cool people to play with and that there is not fun to be had, I even came back 3 times.

I would just say that the level a social violence is beyond that of any game in existence. You have to have a thick skin or the morals a viking raider  to survive in the universe of Eve long term. I for one love the design and beauty of Eve but the player enviorment is one I can only tolerate in small short term bursts.

Good luck all in the beautiful sciopathic universe of EVE. I'll likey be back to be a hapless victim some time in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR

  DevilXaphan

Novice Member

Joined: 11/23/06
Posts: 1153

Bringing teal to your lives since 1998.

5/01/09 10:34:56 AM#12

If one was to really think about it, this game provides a freedom not seen in any mmo to date. This freedom does provide a manipulation much like the real world but with repercutions of a different sort. Socializing in EVE is at best tenous with others that you know nothing about, trust has to be earned but even then that trust can be manipulated. Read about many scams and thefts in EVE and even read about those people being targeted an hunted until they either create another alt or quite playing for a bit til things cool down.


To be quite honest social manipulation has got a lot to do with EVE and how it's inhabitants play in it. It affects many things and how people play is that freedom that we who do play eve love.

  wlvnspectre

Novice Member

Joined: 5/11/04
Posts: 96

5/02/09 8:31:36 PM#13

To be honest, I have played the game non stop for 3 years taking no extended breaks.  The ammount of overt social manipulation I have seen in the game the way I play it has been minimal to non existant to they point I would not dignify it with the name of Social Engineering.

Oh it takes place, I know that, and some players see it more than others, and in some places in the game it is more de regure than elsewhere.  Its just like this "bleak harsh heartless cuthroat" yada yada that everybody I hear describing this game to other people when describing EVE.  I know its there but if its so pervasive why is it I and most of the players I know just don't ever see it unless they actively go looking for it or start doing things that they know will as a part of what they are doing will lead to it?

I have been in small corp wars and commercial rivalries, and even have a little black book of "Oh yes they will pay!" but I have never had the expierience of this drowning in the bile of inhuman viciousness that everyone keeps going on about.

Then again almost all of the people I see talk about this stuff fit into 2 catagories

1)Hardcore Lo/No Sec PVPrs or Corp PVPrs

2)The people who initate or take part in the acts themselves.

Now many people may say that that is the majority of the players in EVE but thats not what the QRs say.  Sizable portion, yes, but no where near the majority or players.