Originally posted by JCatano

Originally posted by junzo316

Originally posted by javac

so, ~40K subs, ~200 cheaters == roughly 1 in 200 people (0.5%) were cheating.

 

matches very closely with my experience: i've played since release (and during beta too) and encountered one definite cheater in that time.

 

 

 

Do you have a source for this number?  I thought the server could only hold 10k players simultaneously.  Wouldn't  it be a bit fool-hardy to sell 4x that amount?  Or this just another Javac falsehood?

 

You don't limit account sales to how many simultaneous users your server can hold.  Not everyone plays at the same time, obviously.

 

Except that this is exactly what Av has been doing. 
This is why the shop is only open a couple times during the week and only sells a limitted amount of orders.

Av limits the number of account available for sale to match what they believe the server can handle.

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by JCatano

Originally posted by junzo316

Originally posted by javac

so, ~40K subs, ~200 cheaters == roughly 1 in 200 people (0.5%) were cheating.

 

matches very closely with my experience: i've played since release (and during beta too) and encountered one definite cheater in that time.

 

 

 

Do you have a source for this number?  I thought the server could only hold 10k players simultaneously.  Wouldn't  it be a bit fool-hardy to sell 4x that amount?  Or this just another Javac falsehood?

 

You don't limit account sales to how many simultaneous users your server can hold.  Not everyone plays at the same time, obviously.

 

 

Except that this is exactly what Av has been doing. 
This is why the shop is only open a couple times during the week and only sells a limitted amount of orders.

Av limits the number of account available for sale to match what they believe the server can handle.

Indeed. I believe that this is exactly what they are doing.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

This is good news. Now the remaining 6 players can play without having to deal with vile cheaters

QFT!

this is probably the most accurate statment about Darkfall, ever.

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by JCatano

Originally posted by junzo316

Originally posted by javac

so, ~40K subs, ~200 cheaters == roughly 1 in 200 people (0.5%) were cheating.

 

matches very closely with my experience: i've played since release (and during beta too) and encountered one definite cheater in that time.

 

 

 

Do you have a source for this number?  I thought the server could only hold 10k players simultaneously.  Wouldn't  it be a bit fool-hardy to sell 4x that amount?  Or this just another Javac falsehood?

 

You don't limit account sales to how many simultaneous users your server can hold.  Not everyone plays at the same time, obviously.

 

 

Except that this is exactly what Av has been doing. 
This is why the shop is only open a couple times during the week and only sells a limitted amount of orders.

Av limits the number of account available for sale to match what they believe the server can handle.

Right, because it has nothing to do with them being a no name company with practially no backing and their game is a joke. Thats why they have to open the shop only a few times during the week...... it has nothing to do with their business short comings.

so we went from 40k accounts to 13k accounts according to javac and signus.....

Originally posted by javac

so, ~40K subs, ~200 cheaters == roughly 1 in 200 people (0.5%) were cheating.

 

matches very closely with my experience: i've played since release (and during beta too) and encountered one definite cheater in that time.

 

 

According to Javac he has never experienced a cheater and he says he is alot smarter then everyone on mmorpg.com.

Well by his own words javac states:

"the only grinding i do in Darkfall is starting a macro while i make myself some food or feed my son."

Unattended macroing is illegal in Darkfall and kickable/bannable by staff: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php. So you are an admitted cheater and you still think most of the population in DF doesn't cheat? Are you in denial? You still think progs that allow you to auto-loot are legal as well? You do realize those are illegal and LOTS of people use them.

Don't allow people like Javac ruin your gaming experience. Do your own research, Do not support paid betas.

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by javac

so, ~40K subs, ~200 cheaters == roughly 1 in 200 people (0.5%) were cheating.

 

matches very closely with my experience: i've played since release (and during beta too) and encountered one definite cheater in that time.

 

 

 

According to Javac he has never experienced a cheater and he says he is alot smarter then everyone on mmorpg.com.

Well by his own words javac states:

"the only grinding i do in Darkfall is starting a macro while i make myself some food or feed my son."

 

Unattended macroing is illegal in Darkfall and kickable/bannable by staff: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php. So you are an admitted cheater and you still think most of the population in DF doesn't cheat? Are you in denial? You still think progs that allow you to auto-loot are legal as well? You do realize those are illegal and LOTS of people use them.

 

Don't allow people like Javac ruin your gaming experience. Do your own research, Do not support paid betas.

But Javac makes the macro himself. That makes it acceptable because he is assuredly not a botter!
 

Originally posted by vaultbrain

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by JCatano

Originally posted by junzo316

Originally posted by javac

so, ~40K subs, ~200 cheaters == roughly 1 in 200 people (0.5%) were cheating.

 

matches very closely with my experience: i've played since release (and during beta too) and encountered one definite cheater in that time.

 

 

 

Do you have a source for this number?  I thought the server could only hold 10k players simultaneously.  Wouldn't  it be a bit fool-hardy to sell 4x that amount?  Or this just another Javac falsehood?

 

You don't limit account sales to how many simultaneous users your server can hold.  Not everyone plays at the same time, obviously.

 

 

Except that this is exactly what Av has been doing. 
This is why the shop is only open a couple times during the week and only sells a limitted amount of orders.

Av limits the number of account available for sale to match what they believe the server can handle.

 

Right, because it has nothing to do with them being a no name company with practially no backing and their game is a joke. Thats why they have to open the shop only a few times during the week...... it has nothing to do with their business short comings.

Umm?

You should probably read a little bit more of what I've wrote about the game.
It's a crappy game, but that doesn't change the reason behind why they sell only a limitted number of accounts each week.

What people don't remember is Blizzard before 2003 was kinda a small company too..

How can you fault the company for being small and saying thats why they failed.  Yes they have limited numbers of copies for sale, to maintain a minimal lag envrioment on their server.

Yes if they had more money they'd be able to have more servers and more server space and more everything.

Why are we attacking them for THAT failing?

The real things you can blame on them is the lies and the missleading statements, the deception is what gets me angry.

The snide attitude toward customers and the lack of customer service.

We can fault them where they've actually failed.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

What people don't remember is Blizzard before 2003 was kinda a small company too..

How can you fault the company for being small and saying thats why they failed.  Yes they have limited numbers of copies for sale, to maintain a minimal lag envrioment on their server.

Yes if they had more money they'd be able to have more servers and more server space and more everything.

Why are we attacking them for THAT failing?

The real things you can blame on them is the lies and the missleading statements, the deception is what gets me angry.

The snide attitude toward customers and the lack of customer service.

We can fault them where they've actually failed.

Um.. you are joking right?   In 2003, Blizzard had already released Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and their expansions, along with Diable 1 and 2, and Starcraft.

That is basically 6 games and 4 expansions that were all polished and fun, and all best sellers.

Originally posted by vaultbrain

Originally posted by oddjobs74

This is good news. Now the remaining 6 players can play without having to deal with vile cheaters

 

QFT!

this is probably the most accurate statment about Darkfall, ever.

OMG... you caught me off guard!  I've just laughed Becks all over my keyboard. It's so absurd, but so much more closer to the truth than 40k.  I couldn't stop laughing, thnx!!

Sorry for being silly, but...

Perhaps Tasos´ number is not far away from the truth - botters, macroers etc aside.

Do you remember the game "Minesweeper"?

1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
1.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.1
1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1

Now imagine that each number is a "legit" user, who saw a cheater... in a populated newbie-area, alliance-meeting etc.
In my abstract example 24 players met cheaters, not knowing that the cheaters are mostly the same 4 guys.

As stated above, just a little silly theory. ;)

Originally posted by bryan1980

Originally posted by Laughing-man

What people don't remember is Blizzard before 2003 was kinda a small company too..

How can you fault the company for being small and saying thats why they failed.  Yes they have limited numbers of copies for sale, to maintain a minimal lag envrioment on their server.

Yes if they had more money they'd be able to have more servers and more server space and more everything.

Why are we attacking them for THAT failing?

The real things you can blame on them is the lies and the missleading statements, the deception is what gets me angry.

The snide attitude toward customers and the lack of customer service.

We can fault them where they've actually failed.

Um.. you are joking right?   In 2003, Blizzard had already released Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and their expansions, along with Diable 1 and 2, and Starcraft.

That is basically 6 games and 4 expansions that were all polished and fun, and all best sellers.

 

And Blizzard had...how many people and how much money ? No compare it to company which never before released any game and had probably 10 to 30 people ( now it is possible there is more then 40 ) and had to move to Greace to lower cost of living.

Learn to count and then speak.

Originally posted by Blindchance

Originally posted by bryan1980

Originally posted by Laughing-man

What people don't remember is Blizzard before 2003 was kinda a small company too..

How can you fault the company for being small and saying thats why they failed.  Yes they have limited numbers of copies for sale, to maintain a minimal lag envrioment on their server.

Yes if they had more money they'd be able to have more servers and more server space and more everything.

Why are we attacking them for THAT failing?

The real things you can blame on them is the lies and the missleading statements, the deception is what gets me angry.

The snide attitude toward customers and the lack of customer service.

We can fault them where they've actually failed.

Um.. you are joking right?   In 2003, Blizzard had already released Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and their expansions, along with Diable 1 and 2, and Starcraft.

That is basically 6 games and 4 expansions that were all polished and fun, and all best sellers.

 

And Blizzard had...how many people and how much money ? No compare it to company which never before released any game and had probably 10 to 30 people ( now it is possible there is more then 40 ) and had to move to Greace to lower cost of living.

Learn to count and then speak.

Ummm....

Laughing-Man states that before 2003, Blizzard was a "kinda small company".

bryan1980 corrects him stating that by 2003 they had released 6 games, 4 expansions - all of which were best-sellers.

In other words, Blizzard had stopped being a "kinda small company" long before 2003, and had grown to a large and quite successful company by then.

Then you go off on bryan1980 arguing for how many people and money Blizzard had.... completely missing the context of his post.

Learn to read, and then speak.

Originally posted by bryan1980

Um.. you are joking right?   In 2003, Blizzard had already released Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and their expansions, along with Diable 1 and 2, and Starcraft.

That is basically 6 games and 4 expansions that were all polished and fun, and all best sellers.

 

You said it right there, that was Laughing man's point. ALL were polished and fun. Warcraft wasn't the worse game ever made and impossible to buy. It was great and lead to many other great games because they are a quality gaming company. AV released a game missing most of what they said it would, isn't polished at all, and will never ever be a best seller, as you cannot even buy it. Understand now?

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Blindchance

Originally posted by bryan1980

Originally posted by Laughing-man

What people don't remember is Blizzard before 2003 was kinda a small company too..

How can you fault the company for being small and saying thats why they failed.  Yes they have limited numbers of copies for sale, to maintain a minimal lag envrioment on their server.

Yes if they had more money they'd be able to have more servers and more server space and more everything.

Why are we attacking them for THAT failing?

The real things you can blame on them is the lies and the missleading statements, the deception is what gets me angry.

The snide attitude toward customers and the lack of customer service.

We can fault them where they've actually failed.

Um.. you are joking right?   In 2003, Blizzard had already released Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and their expansions, along with Diable 1 and 2, and Starcraft.

That is basically 6 games and 4 expansions that were all polished and fun, and all best sellers.

 

And Blizzard had...how many people and how much money ? No compare it to company which never before released any game and had probably 10 to 30 people ( now it is possible there is more then 40 ) and had to move to Greace to lower cost of living.

Learn to count and then speak.

Ummm....

Laughing-Man states that before 2003, Blizzard was a "kinda small company".

bryan1980 corrects him stating that by 2003 they had released 6 games, 4 expansions - all of which were best-sellers.

In other words, Blizzard had stopped being a "kinda small company" long before 2003, and had grown to a large and quite successful company by then.

Then you go off on bryan1980 arguing for how many people and money Blizzard had.... completely missing the context of his post.

Learn to read, and then speak.

 

  My bad, I ment to quote The Laughing Man only. I believe I have to look twice before I quote something.

Originally posted by grimfall

To be perfectly honest, you don't know what you're talking about.  Guys who create thess programs and sell them, you know are amoral.  Tasos is trying to run a above board business. 

"I am going to violate the EULA, and make a program, then encourage other people to violate the EULA (this is breaking your word, another form of lieing), and then charge them some money for the privilage to be scum like I am".  That's not the kind of person you want standing up for you in court.

They don't sell the programs.

I think the correct term is:
pwnt.

( Also, Tasos trying to run an above board business? HAHAHAHAHAHAH. )

Originally posted by Devour

Originally posted by daarco

Good job AV : )

And i dont get it. People here complain daily about hacks in DF. Now when AV have banned the first wave of cheaters....people still complain? I guess they will ban more and more cheaters over the next weeks. What else can they do? Do other MMOs have some kins of protection that make hacks impossible? I have no idea.

 

I wish you'd stop posting.

Every post you and javac make degrades my faith in humanity a little tiny bit.

ROFL! I think they are getting piecework rates as shills, IE, per post. So they gotta keep grinding those little piggy fingers to the nub...
 

Originally posted by WisebutCruel

This applies to any game, not just Darkfall: how do you know they're telling you the truth? I can say I banned 10,000k cheaters ( as long as my game's playrbase is sufficiently big to make that number unnoticeable ), and in reality not have done a thing, or at most banned the 10 or so most obvious abusers.

The difference being, with most other developers you can at least try to believe them. When's the last time Tasos told the truth about anything?

I believe they did tell the truth. Even though some people here, whom I wont bother naming, INSISTED there was no hacking, you could see that quite a few people were complaining about it on the OFFICIAL boards. Ironic huh? Fanbots here insist there are none(I think I am also beginning to see how botspeak works, no is yes etc.), 300 get banned from the 6-7k playing, and the DFO forums light up like a christmas tree, turns out quite a few known players were swept up in this, and a few guilds started a all out counterattack against AV over this saying and I quote "This is nothing more then a Witch trial".

Then they demanded proof etc etc. Clearly these bans hit hard, and from all the screaming and squealing...were effective. BTW I was on the forum as all this was blowing up and and kept reading "FU AV" type threads over this mass banning. Was pretty funny watching them practically riot over there. As a footnote the mods deleted these threads very quickly.

Originally posted by Blindchance

Originally posted by Tasos

We banned 213 cheaters today. These are the people using 3rd party programs to cheat with. They were not banned for macroing, they were banned for cheating. They were automatically detected and also verified manually in a variety of ways. This number represents 90% of the cheaters in Darkfall right now. The rest have also been detected, and we’re waiting for them to be verified before we ban them as well.

These people were warned repeatedly. They chose to believe that we cannot detect what’s going on in our game. They took the word of the makers of these hacks over the word of the creators and administrators of the game. There are no exceptions. We don’t care if journalists, clan leaders, or our friends are among them. They were cheating in order to gain an unfair advantage over the rest of us. They deserve to be banned.

What comes into play here is something called “selfish punishment” in social science. Cheaters are likely to be some of the most outspoken people against cheating, and more likely to report cheaters. This is as so to maximize the benefit for themselves - taking it away from others. This is also the case here; we recognize some of the people from the boards habitually accusing the company for not doing anything and complaining that cheating is rampant in Darkfall, when in reality it’s not.

If you cheat in the game, you will lie about it too. Whenever we ban a cheater he or she will appeal to the community, denying it on the forums. Then come the excuses to Darkfall support about their little brother, their roommate, or about their account being hacked. So now we expect a couple of hundred people to take to the boards. Threads along these lines will be removed and posters will be banned. Darkfall Support has been instructed to not provide more than the automated ban message. Do not side with these people just because you may have played with them and didn’t happen to observe them cheating. They were cheating beyond a shadow of a doubt, detected and verified in more than one ways. There is no appeals process, our decision is final, and we will not reveal our methods.

We will keep aggressively detecting and banning players that cheat in the game. If you’re not running 3rd party cheats, you have nothing to worry about. Those that don’t take our word for it, will be banned like those banned today.

Thank you,
The Darkfall Team

 So  we can assume they actually have some mechanisms implemented to detect / track hacks. Good job. 

Link: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Two points from a random forumfaller [note: the game of forumfall is almost dead, for better or worse]:

1) In all the years he has worked at Aventurine this is the first non-lame thing I have ever seen Tasos post/do.

2) It's funny how he talks about cheating, lying, and the psychology of that with such authority.  Takes one to know one?  LOL.  So true what he says, though; cheaters always protest their innocence after getting caught, and there are always plenty of morons anxious to believe their lies.