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Perhaps you're unfamiliar with this company's history of ethical issues and confrontations with the Federal Trade Commission. Hey you should at least know who you're standing up for: http://bellsouth.com.com/Sony-rootkit-prompts-office-clampdown-on-CD-use/2100-7355_3-5951177.html Root kit scandal, http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/12/ftc_sony.html Violation of child privacy laws, http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/26/business/26music.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2 Radio station payoffs and manipulation of ratings scandal, http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=52541 Sony PSP marketing scandal, http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-08-03-sony-ads-suit_x.htm Sony movie marketting scandal. We already know about the alleged ToOW bait and switch and subsequent massive refund campaign. I wonder what might be next? P.S. For some context, this thread was sparked by the following comments made by a Sony apologist: "SOE and SONY are an ethical company. I have never seen any unethical behavior. SOE changes some games without consulting all it's players, so what. They added item malls to some games after saying they weren't, so what. They ruined SWG with NGE and paid a huge price for it, so what. How is any of that unethical? I have been a customer of SONY for over 3 decades. While I was unhappy with SWG-nge I have never seen any unethical behavior as so many whiney SOE "hater" love to claim when they attack anything SOE does."
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4/26/09 9:44:58 PM#2
We all know that the NGE wasnt just a stupid business mistake, but part of a scheme for world domination! They destroyed SWG's commercial success on purpose, so they can mindcontroll you. Its been used in testing how to controll the behaviour of MMOplayers. And you just proved they succeeded! The effect even lasts so many years after the evil deed! Put your tinfoil hat back on, or they WILL find you! *hides back underneath blanket* |
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4/26/09 9:49:17 PM#3
Originally posted by ArcAngel3
*goes back to listening to his Sony mp3 player*
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4/26/09 9:56:17 PM#4
3 of those pertain to Sony BMG wich has nothing to do with video games. 1 has to do with the division that handles the PsP. While it does have something to do with video games, it's not the same division that WAS SoE. 1 has to do with SPE, the division of sony that makes movies. None of these links or "scandals" has anything to do with SoE, let alone SWG. This should have been posted in the off topic forums. |
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4/26/09 10:07:53 PM#5
Originally posted by ArcAngel3
lol this proves nothing other than you are not familiar with the world. You do know the bigger the corporation, the bigger the target? Are you aware that if a burglar tries breaking into your house, and injures himself, he can actually sue you? If he makes that claim, then you become the bag guy, and bloggers, news articles, can blame you for his injuries. Thats the type of world we live in. Some family can claim Michael Jackson molested their kid, it doesnt have to be true, but damage is done, and an image is made. Basically you are picking at straws here. You are not informed. SOE is Varant Interactive. They changed ownership when Sony's Film Production branch bought them out. It means its still Varant Interactive, same guy in charge, only they changed the name of the company. Thats it! Furthermore, Sony Pictures Entertainment is run by film execs, they make their living off hollywood business practices and the film industry. These practices do not carry over well to the game industry. Why they were part of the movie branch beats me, but finally with Sony's new CEO and restructuring, SOE aka Varant, was placed under Sony's game development branch. Much better. However, if you know anything about Corporations, their many branches are still in a sense, individual entities. The changes made to SWG can be put at the feet of Varant CEO, Smedly, along witht he movie execs including Lucas Arts, all who are greedy by nature and wanted more. Sony as a corporation isnt to blame for that, and you cant say they are evil either, logically. Get over it, whine less, be more productive. |
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Originally posted by Glacial_Rain
*goes back to listening to his Sony mp3 player*
Erm, Sony's other divisions you say? Yes, that means that SOE is also one of Sony's divisions. This means that all of these different divisions have a history of ethical controversy. Want a video game controversy? O.k., this one's hot of the presses ^_^ Enjoy: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/04/24/judge-zings-sony039s-lawyers-over-150k-payment-inventor More here: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202430165772 Ethical controversy? Oh I think so. |
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4/26/09 10:18:51 PM#7
Originally posted by ArcAngel3
Erm, Sony's other divisions you say? Yes, that means that SOE is also one of Sony's divisions. This means that all of these different divisions have a history of ethical controversy. Want a video game controversy? O.k., this one's hot of the presses ^_^ Enjoy: Second article btw.
Adressing shady business and being idealist and all, is pretty cool in my book. After all , realists are a lot more boring. But what I wonder about is, if you even bothered searching for all this stuff if the NGE didnt happen to you. If the NGE is what triggered this in you, then this crusade of yours is all about petty revenge. And after such a long time, pretty sad too considering it is a game we are talking about. You might want to seek counseling tbh. |
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4/26/09 10:26:13 PM#8
Originally posted by ArcAngel3
Erm, Sony's other divisions you say? Yes, that means that SOE is also one of Sony's divisions. This means that all of these different divisions have a history of ethical controversy. Want a video game controversy? O.k., this one's hot of the presses ^_^ Enjoy: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/04/24/judge-zings-sony039s-lawyers-over-150k-payment-inventor More here: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202430165772 Ethical controversy? Oh I think so.
LOL...Good one Arch. -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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4/26/09 10:35:34 PM#9
Although I do not like what they did,I can understand why they did it. Ido not blame them for trying to stop people from illegally downloading their music. I agree they ruined SWG,but its better than wow to me and I will play it for a little longer. |
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Originally posted by someforumguy
Erm, Sony's other divisions you say? Yes, that means that SOE is also one of Sony's divisions. This means that all of these different divisions have a history of ethical controversy. Want a video game controversy? O.k., this one's hot of the presses ^_^ Enjoy: Second article btw.
Adressing shady business and being idealist and all, is pretty cool in my book. After all , realists are a lot more boring. But what I wonder about is, if you even bothered searching for all this stuff if the NGE didnt happen to you. If the NGE is what triggered this in you, then this crusade of yours is all about petty revenge. And after such a long time, pretty sad too considering it is a game we are talking about. You might want to seek counseling tbh. Ah yes, NGE, glad you mention it ^_^: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesstarterkit/news.html?sid=6139705 But was that the only compaint about ethics in SWG? Hmm, I don't think so: http://www.mmofringe.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4 How many complaints about alleged ethical issues are listed here? I lost track lol. Petty revenge? Far from it. I feel no desire for revenge whatsoever. So what is this? Well, I've read a number of posts--some just today--saying that Sony hasn't done anything unethical, and that people who complain about them are talking out of their backsides. Of course I'm aware of a number of ethical concerns that have plagued SWG, and apparently Sony in general. So, just like the title of the thread suggests, for those that want to try to say that Sony is as pure as the driven snow: Nah, I disagree. If you want other SOE controversies specifically you can google the promised list of release features for Vanguard, and the subsequent apologies and claims that these promises were all made in good faith. You can look at Smed saying that he's personally against item shops in EQ and that SOE had no plans to put them in. They're in now of course. Is that illegal? I doubt it, but people have complained that it appears unethical. If you want you can also look at SOE being unable to run it's loot tournaments in numerous states because of conflicts with consumer protection legislation. If you don't think this is a controversy, you're missing out on some whopping threads in numerous forums. My assumption was that people were well aware of the ethical controversies regarding SOE specifically, especially on this forum. I stand corrected and hopefully have brought everyone up to speed. P.S. As for searching this out, I was browsing a forum that I enjoy reading and noticed something about Sony. So, just for kicks I typed "Sony investigated" in a search engine and was overwhelmed with data lol. I didn't go digging, if fell on me when I opened the closet door. |
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Originally posted by Valeran
Erm, Sony's other divisions you say? Yes, that means that SOE is also one of Sony's divisions. This means that all of these different divisions have a history of ethical controversy. Want a video game controversy? O.k., this one's hot of the presses ^_^ Enjoy: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/04/24/judge-zings-sony039s-lawyers-over-150k-payment-inventor More here: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202430165772 Ethical controversy? Oh I think so.
LOL...Good one Arch.
I especially like this part : "Judge Wilkins ruled that]Thorner was an unreliable witness and that there was strong evidence -- supported by testimony and internal Sony documents -- that Sony paid $150,000 for Thorner's testimony." Lol Wow. |
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4/26/09 10:49:34 PM#12
Originally posted by ArcAngel3
Adressing shady business and being idealist and all, is pretty cool in my book. After all , realists are a lot more boring. But what I wonder about is, if you even bothered searching for all this stuff if the NGE didnt happen to you. If the NGE is what triggered this in you, then this crusade of yours is all about petty revenge. And after such a long time, pretty sad too considering it is a game we are talking about. You might want to seek counseling tbh. Ah yes, NGE, glad you mention it ^_^: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesstarterkit/news.html?sid=6139705 But was that the only compaint about ethics in SWG? Hmm, I don't think so: http://www.mmofringe.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4 How many complaints about alleged ethical issues are listed here? I lost track lol. Petty revenge? Far from it. I feel no desire for revenge whatsoever. So what is this? Well, I've read a number of posts--some just today--saying that Sony hasn't done anything unethical, and that people who complain about them are talking out of their backsides. Of course I'm aware of a number of ethical concerns that have plagued SWG, and apparently Sony in general. So, just like the title of the thread suggests, for those that want to try to say that Sony is as pure as the driven snow: Nah, I disagree. If you want other SOE controversies specifically you can google the promised list of release features for Vanguard, and the subsequent apologies and claims that these promises were all made in good faith. You can look at Smed saying that he's personally against item shops in EQ and that SOE had no plans to put them in. They're in now of course. Is that illegal? I doubt it, but people have complained that it appears unethical. If you want you can also look at SOE being unable to run it's loot tournaments in numerous states because of conflicts with consumer protection legislation. If you don't think this is a controversy, you're missing out on some whopping threads numerous forums. My assumption was that people were well aware of the ethical controversies regarding SOE specifically, especially on this forum. I stand corrected and hopefully have brought everyone up to speed.
Well, NGE wasnt unethical. It was just a poor business decision. So if those other posters meant this, then I agree. And all your other assumptions about what I might think, I dont even feel like adressing those. Im always critical about games that I like and the companies that produce them. But I never forget that in the end its all about commercial business and they will keep making changes that I wont like if they think that the game will make more profit that way. I still have to see the first MMO company that lives up to its expectations for 100% with a new MMO. Start learning to make a distinction between devs and the suits that are their bosses. Devs love the game they work on and want to live up to expectations but are at the leash of their bosses that care primarily about finances. This will always be a problem (to us gamers) within any company that develops games.
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Originally posted by Rabenwolf
lol this proves nothing other than you are not familiar with the world. You do know the bigger the corporation, the bigger the target? Are you aware that if a burglar tries breaking into your house, and injures himself, he can actually sue you? If he makes that claim, then you become the bag guy, and bloggers, news articles, can blame you for his injuries. Thats the type of world we live in. Some family can claim Michael Jackson molested their kid, it doesnt have to be true, but damage is done, and an image is made. Basically you are picking at straws here. You are not informed. SOE is Varant Interactive. They changed ownership when Sony's Film Production branch bought them out. It means its still Varant Interactive, same guy in charge, only they changed the name of the company. Thats it! Furthermore, Sony Pictures Entertainment is run by film execs, they make their living off hollywood business practices and the film industry. These practices do not carry over well to the game industry. Why they were part of the movie branch beats me, but finally with Sony's new CEO and restructuring, SOE aka Varant, was placed under Sony's game development branch. Much better. However, if you know anything about Corporations, their many branches are still in a sense, individual entities. The changes made to SWG can be put at the feet of Varant CEO, Smedly, along witht he movie execs including Lucas Arts, all who are greedy by nature and wanted more. Sony as a corporation isnt to blame for that, and you cant say they are evil either, logically. Get over it, whine less, be more productive. I thought I'd test your "not familiar with the world theory" so I googled Blizzard for ethical concerns. I could only find one in about the same amount of time I found all the above for Sony. Here it is: http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=6266 Hmm, seems like Blizz is taking steps here to protect their customers from hackers. What a contrast lol. Sorry, I couldn't find anything else. I opened the closet, and the only thing that fell on me was them improving customer service. Wonder why they're so successful? |
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4/26/09 10:58:19 PM#14
Originally posted by someforumguy
Adressing shady business and being idealist and all, is pretty cool in my book. After all , realists are a lot more boring. But what I wonder about is, if you even bothered searching for all this stuff if the NGE didnt happen to you. If the NGE is what triggered this in you, then this crusade of yours is all about petty revenge. And after such a long time, pretty sad too considering it is a game we are talking about. You might want to seek counseling tbh. Ah yes, NGE, glad you mention it ^_^: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesstarterkit/news.html?sid=6139705 But was that the only compaint about ethics in SWG? Hmm, I don't think so: http://www.mmofringe.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4 How many complaints about alleged ethical issues are listed here? I lost track lol. Petty revenge? Far from it. I feel no desire for revenge whatsoever. So what is this? Well, I've read a number of posts--some just today--saying that Sony hasn't done anything unethical, and that people who complain about them are talking out of their backsides. Of course I'm aware of a number of ethical concerns that have plagued SWG, and apparently Sony in general. So, just like the title of the thread suggests, for those that want to try to say that Sony is as pure as the driven snow: Nah, I disagree. If you want other SOE controversies specifically you can google the promised list of release features for Vanguard, and the subsequent apologies and claims that these promises were all made in good faith. You can look at Smed saying that he's personally against item shops in EQ and that SOE had no plans to put them in. They're in now of course. Is that illegal? I doubt it, but people have complained that it appears unethical. If you want you can also look at SOE being unable to run it's loot tournaments in numerous states because of conflicts with consumer protection legislation. If you don't think this is a controversy, you're missing out on some whopping threads numerous forums. My assumption was that people were well aware of the ethical controversies regarding SOE specifically, especially on this forum. I stand corrected and hopefully have brought everyone up to speed.
Well, NGE wasnt unethical.
I agree...I love it when the companies I spend money with lie to me. -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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4/26/09 11:03:05 PM#15
Originally posted by Valeran Ah yes, NGE, glad you mention it ^_^: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesstarterkit/news.html?sid=6139705 But was that the only compaint about ethics in SWG? Hmm, I don't think so: http://www.mmofringe.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4 How many complaints about alleged ethical issues are listed here? I lost track lol. Petty revenge? Far from it. I feel no desire for revenge whatsoever. So what is this? Well, I've read a number of posts--some just today--saying that Sony hasn't done anything unethical, and that people who complain about them are talking out of their backsides. Of course I'm aware of a number of ethical concerns that have plagued SWG, and apparently Sony in general. So, just like the title of the thread suggests, for those that want to try to say that Sony is as pure as the driven snow: Nah, I disagree. If you want other SOE controversies specifically you can google the promised list of release features for Vanguard, and the subsequent apologies and claims that these promises were all made in good faith. You can look at Smed saying that he's personally against item shops in EQ and that SOE had no plans to put them in. They're in now of course. Is that illegal? I doubt it, but people have complained that it appears unethical. If you want you can also look at SOE being unable to run it's loot tournaments in numerous states because of conflicts with consumer protection legislation. If you don't think this is a controversy, you're missing out on some whopping threads numerous forums. My assumption was that people were well aware of the ethical controversies regarding SOE specifically, especially on this forum. I stand corrected and hopefully have brought everyone up to speed.
Well, NGE wasnt unethical.
I agree...I love it when the companies I spend money with lie to me.
You still deny its not just about NGE? :p Dude, seriously.. Even if you think counselling is not needed ;), then at least take a course in Marketing to get educated about commercial companies and their boyscout honour :p |
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Originally posted by Valeran Ah yes, NGE, glad you mention it ^_^: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesstarterkit/news.html?sid=6139705 But was that the only compaint about ethics in SWG? Hmm, I don't think so: http://www.mmofringe.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4 How many complaints about alleged ethical issues are listed here? I lost track lol. Petty revenge? Far from it. I feel no desire for revenge whatsoever. So what is this? Well, I've read a number of posts--some just today--saying that Sony hasn't done anything unethical, and that people who complain about them are talking out of their backsides. Of course I'm aware of a number of ethical concerns that have plagued SWG, and apparently Sony in general. So, just like the title of the thread suggests, for those that want to try to say that Sony is as pure as the driven snow: Nah, I disagree. If you want other SOE controversies specifically you can google the promised list of release features for Vanguard, and the subsequent apologies and claims that these promises were all made in good faith. You can look at Smed saying that he's personally against item shops in EQ and that SOE had no plans to put them in. They're in now of course. Is that illegal? I doubt it, but people have complained that it appears unethical. If you want you can also look at SOE being unable to run it's loot tournaments in numerous states because of conflicts with consumer protection legislation. If you don't think this is a controversy, you're missing out on some whopping threads numerous forums. My assumption was that people were well aware of the ethical controversies regarding SOE specifically, especially on this forum. I stand corrected and hopefully have brought everyone up to speed.
Well, NGE wasnt unethical.
I agree...I love it when the companies I spend money with lie to me.
Indeed. It's like I said above. This isn't about revenge. It's about sharing public information to refute the often shared notion on these forums that Sony is above reproach. How many times have we read that Sony and/or SOE hasn't done anything unethical? I decided to finally call the bluff. One difference between SOE and the other Sony divisions is that in SOE's case no charges have been laid, and that is significant. The similarity, however, remains one of ethical controversy; and that's what I'm highlighting. Probably the closest SOE ever came to charges was averted by the ToOW refunds. As for current controversies, I'm still waiting to see if anything comes of the alleged online loot gamble. I'm aware that the tournaments have been banned in some jurisdictions because SOE charges an entry fee and offers prizes connected with games involving chance, but I'm waiting to see if there are any further developments. Time will tell. |
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4/26/09 11:11:00 PM#17
Originally posted by someforumguy
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4/26/09 11:16:05 PM#18
Originally posted by ArcAngel3 Ah yes, NGE, glad you mention it ^_^: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesstarterkit/news.html?sid=6139705 But was that the only compaint about ethics in SWG? Hmm, I don't think so: http://www.mmofringe.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4 How many complaints about alleged ethical issues are listed here? I lost track lol. Petty revenge? Far from it. I feel no desire for revenge whatsoever. So what is this? Well, I've read a number of posts--some just today--saying that Sony hasn't done anything unethical, and that people who complain about them are talking out of their backsides. Of course I'm aware of a number of ethical concerns that have plagued SWG, and apparently Sony in general. So, just like the title of the thread suggests, for those that want to try to say that Sony is as pure as the driven snow: Nah, I disagree. If you want other SOE controversies specifically you can google the promised list of release features for Vanguard, and the subsequent apologies and claims that these promises were all made in good faith. You can look at Smed saying that he's personally against item shops in EQ and that SOE had no plans to put them in. They're in now of course. Is that illegal? I doubt it, but people have complained that it appears unethical. If you want you can also look at SOE being unable to run it's loot tournaments in numerous states because of conflicts with consumer protection legislation. If you don't think this is a controversy, you're missing out on some whopping threads numerous forums. My assumption was that people were well aware of the ethical controversies regarding SOE specifically, especially on this forum. I stand corrected and hopefully have brought everyone up to speed.
Well, NGE wasnt unethical.
I agree...I love it when the companies I spend money with lie to me.
Indeed. It's like I said above. This isn't about revenge. It's about sharing public information to refute the often shared notion on these forums that Sony is above reproach. How many times have we read that Sony and/or SOE hasn't done anything unethical? I decided to finally call the bluff. One difference between SOE and the other Sony divisions is that in SOE's case no charges have been laid, and that is significant. The similarity, however, remains one of ethical controversy; and that's what I'm highlighting. Probably the closest SOE ever came to charges was averted by the ToOW refunds. As for current controversies, I'm still waiting to see if anything comes of the alleged online loot gamble. I'm aware that the tournaments have been banned in some jurisdictions because SOE charges an entry fee and offers prizes connected with games involving chance, but I'm waiting to see if there are any further developments. Time will tell.
The underlined part. I really hope you're not talking about the NGE. That would just show too much ignorance. That the gaming experience might change (no matter how drastically) is something you agreed upon loads of times. Normally I dont check posting history from boardmembers, because I prefer to focus on the poster's content,instead of the messenger. But you are just way too obsessed with SOE in a negative and unhealthy way.
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4/26/09 11:16:09 PM#19
Originally posted by someforumguy Ah yes, NGE, glad you mention it ^_^: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesstarterkit/news.html?sid=6139705 But was that the only compaint about ethics in SWG? Hmm, I don't think so: http://www.mmofringe.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4 How many complaints about alleged ethical issues are listed here? I lost track lol. Petty revenge? Far from it. I feel no desire for revenge whatsoever. So what is this? Well, I've read a number of posts--some just today--saying that Sony hasn't done anything unethical, and that people who complain about them are talking out of their backsides. Of course I'm aware of a number of ethical concerns that have plagued SWG, and apparently Sony in general. So, just like the title of the thread suggests, for those that want to try to say that Sony is as pure as the driven snow: Nah, I disagree. If you want other SOE controversies specifically you can google the promised list of release features for Vanguard, and the subsequent apologies and claims that these promises were all made in good faith. You can look at Smed saying that he's personally against item shops in EQ and that SOE had no plans to put them in. They're in now of course. Is that illegal? I doubt it, but people have complained that it appears unethical. If you want you can also look at SOE being unable to run it's loot tournaments in numerous states because of conflicts with consumer protection legislation. If you don't think this is a controversy, you're missing out on some whopping threads numerous forums. My assumption was that people were well aware of the ethical controversies regarding SOE specifically, especially on this forum. I stand corrected and hopefully have brought everyone up to speed.
Well, NGE wasnt unethical.
I agree...I love it when the companies I spend money with lie to me.
You still deny its not just about NGE? :p Dude, seriously.. Even if you think counselling is not needed ;), then at least take a course in Marketing to get educated about commercial companies and their boyscout honour :p
yes...SOE is a great example of marketing...I am in awe of them. They are so great they don't even market to new players...only former players...I wonder why that is? Utilizing SOE as a model for typical business marketing practices is not one of the wisest things I have ever read. -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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Originally posted by someforumguy Ah yes, NGE, glad you mention it ^_^: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsgalaxiesstarterkit/news.html?sid=6139705 But was that the only compaint about ethics in SWG? Hmm, I don't think so: http://www.mmofringe.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4 How many complaints about alleged ethical issues are listed here? I lost track lol. Petty revenge? Far from it. I feel no desire for revenge whatsoever. So what is this? Well, I've read a number of posts--some just today--saying that Sony hasn't done anything unethical, and that people who complain about them are talking out of their backsides. Of course I'm aware of a number of ethical concerns that have plagued SWG, and apparently Sony in general. So, just like the title of the thread suggests, for those that want to try to say that Sony is as pure as the driven snow: Nah, I disagree. If you want other SOE controversies specifically you can google the promised list of release features for Vanguard, and the subsequent apologies and claims that these promises were all made in good faith. You can look at Smed saying that he's personally against item shops in EQ and that SOE had no plans to put them in. They're in now of course. Is that illegal? I doubt it, but people have complained that it appears unethical. If you want you can also look at SOE being unable to run it's loot tournaments in numerous states because of conflicts with consumer protection legislation. If you don't think this is a controversy, you're missing out on some whopping threads numerous forums. My assumption was that people were well aware of the ethical controversies regarding SOE specifically, especially on this forum. I stand corrected and hopefully have brought everyone up to speed.
Well, NGE wasnt unethical.
I agree...I love it when the companies I spend money with lie to me.
You still deny its not just about NGE? :p Dude, seriously.. Even if you think counselling is not needed ;), then at least take a course in Marketing to get educated about commercial companies and their boyscout honour :p
Dude, do you think the NGE was the only source of ethical controversy associated with SOE? Do you know anything about Vanguard's release? Did you read any of the other ethical concerns related to SWG specifically? CU is here to stay, how'd you like guild controlled star destroyers, quest is working as intended when there's no contact etc. etc.. Did you see the backlash over item shops in EQ? Do you know anything about people paying real cash only for a chance to win loot items? Did you know that the TCG tournaments with fees and prizes are illegal in some states? Where have you been? lol. As for boyscout honour, didn't you read the link I found on Blizz? I think it provides a valuable comparison, and a valuable lesson in marketting success. Everybody's doing it huh? Apparently not those who are actually successful. Btw, you've taken a list of publicly posted ethical concerns about Sony and attempted to turn this into a debate about my mental health. Do you think people can't see what you're trying to do? Lol, man people aren't the dumb you know :). If you want to debate the actual topic of the thread, go nuts (pardon the pun), but no this isn't about anyone's mental health, yours or mine. |
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