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Divergence Online


General Discussion  » We Give Up On - Divergence

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OP  4/22/09 5:02:34 PM#1

Hey guys.

Personally, I doubt anyone still checks this page but unfortuantely I come here today to say that we're going to go ahead and abandon this listing.

It's not that progress isn't being made on Divergence. In fact the last three months have shown the most progress that has been achieved in the last year and a half.

The reason is that although we've offered a ton of exclusive videos, screenshots and major updates about Divergence, we're flat out getting ignored and have been since the day the listing went live. Not one email we've sent in an entire year has been responded to by staff and the time has come to make it known.

We don't even have the ability to upload our own screenshots to the listing, so the only ones being shown are extremely dated and bland, giving viewers impression about the game that we don't want to give.

At least two other SGL employees have emailed in politely asking that we get a little attention on this subject, as well as myself I have left numerous emails, comments and requests for communication with MMORPG and have gotten literally no response whatsoever to any of them.

Our understanding is that this point that either someone at has a personal grudge against the project, or that in order to get an ounce of professional courtesy, one must have a big name or deep pockets. Even if that big name is attached to a colossal failure such as Tabula Rasa, or the 18-millionth Korean-made rehashed fantasy game, you're still more worthy on this site than an indie developer trying desperately to innovate a quickly stagnating industry. Games that aren't even MMORPGs are getting promoted on these days.

Either way, we feel profesionally snubbed and in a most unprofessional way.

And so i wished to take a few minutes to let anyone who passes by know why it is the project appears "dead" on this site and assure anyone still desperately seeking what our game is attempting to accomplish that the project is still being developed every single day, and more furiously than ever as we charge full steam towards an alpha release.

I urge any interested persons to consult other sites such as or other gaming websites run by human beings that have agreed to help us get our name out there.

May will be a very big month for us as we will be putting up several exclusives on, doing a few interviews with publications like and sharing our third video, our best ever, to the world.

Anyone wishing to see a little of what there is to offer currently are encouraged to look for Divergence Online on youtube and also our website at in the coming month. You will see some major updates that hopefully will inspire you as much as they have inspired us.

Again, we're all very sorry about the bad impression of our project people must be getting from this listing, but I wanted to take this opportunity to assure everyone despite the image chooses to paint of our little team and project, Divergence will be completed come hell or high water, and nothing has or will stand in the way, especially elitest websites.

Thanks for your interest, and we hope very much to see you in our gritty and intense world in the near future!

-Ethan Casner

 Project Manager :// Stainglass Llama Corp 2009


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4/22/09 6:08:57 PM#2


No one here (we checked) has heard a word from you or your company in quite some time. I have no reason to doubt you guys reached out to us, but sometimes the tubes don't connect online. It's annoying, but it happens. There was no great conspiracy to it. I've sent an email your way. We would happily work with those that want to work with us.

Take care,


Dana Massey
Formerly of
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios


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4/22/09 6:13:49 PM#3

Someone threw a stinker. Interesting how you can't solve this trough emails and you have to bring this to the public

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4/22/09 6:25:51 PM#4

Hope its just a misunderstanding guys.

This is the 1st ive heard of this game but im amazed if you can pull off this lvl of high rez graphics in game for a mmo.. Stunning !

Check out this HD link . Love the style of game and will be keeping a close eye on it .


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5/10/09 1:42:07 AM#5

Ethan  see you....  can i have your stuff?  sorry..but i think most of us never hear about this game...but now whit your post  we all see a game..whitout money to release to test..and??

nice post to push the interest..but will it help?


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5/10/09 1:55:30 AM#6

I've actually been following Divergence for a while from behind the curtains. I am typically quiet about my interest about games due to the flamers around here and while I would jump on an official game forum I never seem to have the time.

I have been hoping like Hell that we will see this game published as it really looks intense. I feel, from an artistic perspective, that it hits all the right buttons for anyone looking for high-end gaming. It's right up my alley and I'm sure many others as well. Personally, I would pray for a chance to get this game hyped and provide previews, reviews that will help others make informed decisions. I can't wait until we see an alpha and beta for this as I am completely psyched to be a part of such a revolutionary game.

I have to be honest too that this game appears to knock all my previous prospects right out of the water (Earthrise, Huxley, Global Agenda, among others). It will truly be a breath of fresh air.


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5/10/09 2:05:37 AM#7

its good to hear that another non fantasy indie mmorpg is in dev.

i will check for divergence on tentonhammer from now on. 

thank for the information & good luck with your project


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Take THAT, subspace!

5/10/09 4:44:39 AM#8
Originally posted by noxcuse

Ethan  see you....  can i have your stuff?  sorry..but i think most of us never hear about this game...but now whit your post  we all see a game..whitout money to release to test..and??


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5/10/09 4:52:50 AM#9

Ouch ... this don't look good, mum.

Suggestion: tuning down their coverage of the 56th AOC global media offensive for maybe 5% to give this game some publicity. Gah, I'm so tired of AOC adds slapping me in the face with cheap and dirty pay offs on every other page. But that might just be me.


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5/10/09 4:56:19 AM#10

It's sad that it took this long for to attempt communication, but atleast they are willing to try. Divergence is shaping up to be a great game, and I hope is willing to go the extra mile in helping Indie developers such as the ones making Divergence push ahead in a very tough market.


Without sites like and tentonhammer indie developers  would have a near impossible time finding a target audience that they very much deserve. So, show some love, even if you don't plan to play the game.  Keep the dream alive.

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5/10/09 5:03:10 PM#11
Originally posted by pandrax

It's sad that it took this long for to attempt communication, but atleast they are willing to try.


40 minutes is a long time?


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5/11/09 2:18:54 PM#12

An update on this, since they wanted it to be so public.

Our attempts to contact them have been ignored, so unless they choose to actually try and reach out (which as far as I can tell they never did before posting this message), then I cannot foresee much coverage.

We are of course happy to work with anyone to find out more about their game, but with a game at this early of a state it does require that the game company be willing as well.

Dana Massey
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Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios


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5/17/09 10:50:22 AM#13

MMORPG feeling sore or SLS finding a good way to get people to see.

The world will never know.


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7/04/09 7:24:46 PM#14

An interesting publicity stunt by Stainglass, but i must admit it cought my attention and i might pay a bit more to this game to see how the drama unfolds.


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7/04/09 7:48:01 PM#15

Best marketing strategy since the invention of the wheel or atleast the solar powered flashlight...

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7/04/09 7:55:41 PM#16

I suggest people look at this thread as well as other older threads in this section before giving these Divergence guys any kind of credit. Right from the beginning, they were not honest, even using false screenshots to get their game listed here. I'd rather believe over people already know to be dishonest.

From 2006:

Originally posted by EthanC

It's kind of complicated.

In order to qualify for an listing you have to jump through several hoops, and one of those is provide 5 ingame screenshots.

Well we have dozens of ingame screenshots and several videos in fact, but are locked into an NDA with Microforte, developer of Bigworld until as they say "the check clears." The probem is that we have as of yet no idea how long that is going to take. It could be 5 minutes from now, it could be months.

We couldn't wait any longer to get the listing up. The truth is that there are several games coming out in the next 2-3 years and the community is well aware of this. We had to get our name out there as quickly as possible.

And therefore, we got together with the few licensed programs we have such as Vue5 and 3ds Max and used the only engine that we had on hand which we were dabbling with in phase 1 before anyone had introduced Bigworld to us. It was extremely primitive being a mostly homemade conglomeration but held alot of promise, which is why phase1 people are still sworn to silence and will remain that way until further notice.

Regardless, Divergence will remain to be a "Bigworld" game even if we don't end up getting enough investment to purchase the graphics engine, as most of the technology driving alot of our promises such as the 200,000 people on one server is all handled by Bigworld Server, which will definately be the backbone of the game.



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7/04/09 8:02:36 PM#17
Originally posted by fuzzi1983

Someone threw a stinker. Interesting how you can't solve this trough emails and you have to bring this to the public

If he didn't get answers for many mails he can't really solve it there, can he?

But this is probably just a miss-understanding, the staff of this site use to do a good work, with one or two exceptions

possibly (and it was a long time ago).



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7/30/09 8:22:05 PM#18

I would have more fun watching a nat cross an empty 4 lane road then I would watching and waiting for information on this game TBH.

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9/17/09 7:14:51 PM#19

Perhaps it's beacuse this site is poorly managed from time to time?

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9/17/09 7:19:12 PM#20
Originally posted by Trubaduren

Perhaps it's beacuse this site is poorly managed from time to time?


LOL, yeah, they don't prevent people from re-opening long dead threads.

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